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Old 2009-10-09, 17:32   Link #1141
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In regards to sales neither Medaka or Akaboshi made the Oricon top 30 this week, but Medaka Box is getting a reprint of Volume 1 on October 19th and Akaboshi on the 22nd. Going by the Oricon top 30 they both sold under 28,696 copies, but with both getting reprints it seems they didn't expect many sales in the first place.

To compare.. Kuroko no Basket which has 8 color pages this year in WSJ did 20,445 in it's first week, PSYREN vol 2 did 15,546. A "hit manga" figure would be the following..

154,675 (Bakuman) 1
69,177 (Toriko) 1
51,163 (Beelzebub) 1
48,495 (Nurarihyon no Mago) 1

Those 4 are pretty much the next big things out of WSJ, Mago has a stellar VA cast for it's Drama cd, Toriko is getting a jump special anime, Beelzebub is the WSJ hit of 2009 and Bakuman is another hit for the Death Note duo.

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And you people keep coming in criticizing them for criticizing. That's even funnier...
lol @ pointing something out as being criticism. My line applies to myself as well as KLGChaos and others.
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Old 2009-10-09, 18:09   Link #1142
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People keep saying they're done with this manga yet keep coming back lol...



Aside from not being Medaka what exactly has Zenkichi done to deserve to be the lead character? I means seriously you have people continually whining about Zenkichi being underutilized/shafted but he's nothing special, he's done' nothing of note and he doesn't stand out from his archetype. People are acting like Medaka is holding back a goldmine when she's not.
Well, that's just it. Many of us were led to believe that he'd be the main character, like he was in the One Shot and in the first several chapters of the serialization. But once Akune, showed up, he was pretty much tossed to the side. This doesn't just apply to Zen alone, but Akune and Kikaijima suffered the same fate. They came in, got a couple chapters and were pretty much thrown away after that, being brought out for air occasionally. The only significant thing they've done is stop Medaka from killing Unzen (which I think everyone saw coming from a mile away).

It's just my opinion, but Medaka doesn't work as a main heroine for me. A God Mode Sue in a shounen manga, without a strong male lead to back her up, isn't something that really works. Even other mangas that have really strong female leads in them (such as Sekirei, Kurohime, Change 123, GS Mikami, Zero In, etc) always make sure they have a male lead that, while maybe not equal to the women in power, are always equal in terms of importance to the story. In Medaka Box, there is no one like that. Medaka pretty much eats up the whole manga herself and I think many people are growing bored of her. Heck, Kosukegawa from Change 123, despite being one of the weakest characters physically out of all the mangas I've read, did more in the first chapter of Change 123 than Zen has done all manga.

I realize that Zen hasn't done anything to earn the lead spot. It's been mentioned many times that he just feels like Medaka's lap dog, which is the issue many of us have. The only real reason I keep coming back is because I hate dropping something that I started. It's very rare that I do that. I either have to be highly offended by the work or it has to give me quite a bit of crap before I stop. An example of that is Bleach. After putting up with Soul Society Arc part 2 (except now with more battles!) for a year, I ended up dropping it three months ago and haven't looked back.

As for the RAWs...

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Old 2009-10-09, 18:23   Link #1143
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Silly KLGChaos isn't it obvious...? FUSION!
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Old 2009-10-09, 18:25   Link #1144
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Silly KLGChaos isn't it obvious...? FUSION!
Ok, now I'm freaked out

I swear I was gonna type "There could be a fusion between Zen and Medaka".
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Old 2009-10-09, 18:27   Link #1145
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I think Darknemo said it best:
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. It is obvious that author is not following his own story...
It feels like he's just putting stuff together as he goes along, not trying to make a cohesive plot, but rather whatever he comes up with while he's taking a shit on the toilet >.>
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Old 2009-10-09, 18:33   Link #1146
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Ok, now I'm freaked out

I swear I was gonna type "There could be a fusion between Zen and Medaka".
Zendaka? Medakichi?

I think if a fusion did happen, Medaka would be the dominant one in the relationship...
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Old 2009-10-09, 18:41   Link #1147
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The sad thing is I actually hate Medaka less than most of the other characters. The stuff about her effect on normal people might have had potential, except for one problem...

What normal people? Money-worshippers, super-lapdogs, punishment-freaks, every character in the manga comes across as a ridiculous headcase parody. There are no believable characters to be found, just nonsense characters. Medaka somehow makes more sense than most of them.

Speaking of parody, I'm pretty sure this manga has devolved into a parody of battle manga now. The author was angry nobody liked it so he decided to go on the attack.

Medaka performing superhuman feats "because she decided to try hard" is a pretty obvious jab at battle manga.

Unzen... well, even creating a character that terrible should be considered an attack on the readers.
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Old 2009-10-09, 19:19   Link #1148
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Medaka getting beat down out of nowhere was kind of weird. I highly doubt she was actually defeated, but was hit with a surprise attack by the 2 ton iron ball and will get up without a scratch next time.
Pff. 2 ton ball is impossible. It must be 20 ton.

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What normal people? Money-worshippers, super-lapdogs, punishment-freaks, every character in the manga comes across as a ridiculous headcase parody. There are no believable characters to be found, just nonsense characters. Medaka somehow makes more sense than most of them.
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The members of the 13 that were introduced... how can people in the school even accept these guys as normal? Especially the dude covered in bandages... he LOOKS like a freak. If the students really aren't bothered by this, then the students in the school are truly and utterly idiotic.
I guess you guys two comment fit well together

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Old 2009-10-09, 21:08   Link #1149
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Zendaka? Medakichi?
Obviously a fusion between the two will create little Medaka or little Zen.
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Old 2009-10-09, 23:15   Link #1150
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It's just my opinion, but Medaka doesn't work as a main heroine for me. A God Mode Sue in a shounen manga, without a strong male lead to back her up, isn't something that really works. Even other mangas that have really strong female leads in them (such as Sekirei, Kurohime, Change 123, GS Mikami, Zero In, etc) always make sure they have a male lead that, while maybe not equal to the women in power, are always equal in terms of importance to the story. In Medaka Box, there is no one like that. Medaka pretty much eats up the whole manga herself and I think many people are growing bored of her. Heck, Kosukegawa from Change 123, despite being one of the weakest characters physically out of all the mangas I've read, did more in the first chapter of Change 123 than Zen has done all manga.


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Nicely put KLGChaos and that's exactly what has put me off this manga.And I HAVE finally dropped it and just follow the conversations here as each chapter comes out. Hopefully if it gets better, I will start rereading it again.
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Old 2009-10-09, 23:21   Link #1151
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Nicely put KLGChaos and that's exactly what has put me off this manga.And I HAVE finally dropped it and just follow the conversations here as each chapter comes out. Hopefully if it gets better, I will start rereading it again.
That's exactly what I'm doing... until a manga gets to a point where it's readable for me personally, I just follow the conversations here on it
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Old 2009-10-10, 01:06   Link #1152
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That's exactly what I'm doing... until a manga gets to a point where it's readable for me personally, I just follow the conversations here on it
I find it more interesting reading people's comment on the forums then reading the actual manga(i stopped at chap 13)
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Old 2009-10-10, 02:03   Link #1153
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Nicely put KLGChaos and that's exactly what has put me off this manga.And I HAVE finally dropped it and just follow the conversations here as each chapter comes out. Hopefully if it gets better, I will start rereading it again.
I read the raws but don't follow the TLs these days
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Old 2009-10-10, 02:04   Link #1154
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Zendaka? Medakichi?

I think if a fusion did happen, Medaka would be the dominant one in the relationship...
Nope the name of fusion being would be Medaka. She would look like Medaka and act like Medaka too. The only difference would be that she would have a shabby looking doggy tail, wagging from her behind.

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I read the raws but don't follow the TLs these days
To tell the truth I did not read raws of the last chapter either. Just saw that one page posted in here with Medaka lying on the ground.
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Old 2009-10-10, 03:13   Link #1155
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Spoiler for c22:
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Old 2009-10-10, 03:38   Link #1156
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Looks like Medaka is getting back up again, since this weeks (or last) bottom 5 are:

Ane DokÓ
Kuroko no Basket
Akaboshi
Kagijin
Jaguar
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Old 2009-10-10, 05:07   Link #1157
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Umm you have to take away Jaguar because it isn't ranked the way others are so the actual bottom five is:

Bakuman
Ane Doki
Kuroko no Basket
Akaboshi
Kagijin

Still battle-shit seems to work for Japanese (I am bit surprised how easy Japanese masses are if Yuri kiss and random battle's are enough to make the manga good for them, but again we are talkig about shounen magazine with specific readers). Medaka is right above Bakuman, but still it's not in the bottom 5.

I heard that tree cuts may be done (not confirmed) so unless either Medaka or Akaboshi suddenly starts doing much better one of them is quite likely to get axed. Maybe even both.

Though if they'll choose between the two it will be most likely for Medaka's good, as at very least Nisio has a name, and it can sell well enough even if the content is a crap.
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Old 2009-10-10, 05:28   Link #1158
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I'v seen this comment:

>Kagijin and Akaboshi are cut in issue 47, last chapters
>One Shot "22" by Yabuki Kentaro (Black Cat, To Love)in issue 47
>New series "NEON" by Kano Yasuhiro (Mx0, Pretty Face) in issue 48
>New series "Memory" by Komi Naoshi (Double Arts) in issue 49

hoping it's true, can't miss one by Yabuki Kentaro and Kano Yasuhiro
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Old 2009-10-10, 05:40   Link #1159
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I blame Bakuman for all this rating nonsense that's been going around desu.
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Old 2009-10-10, 05:42   Link #1160
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?? which girl? the one with steel ball?
btw it's funny to see Meaka box in crazymanga.be didn't have "Read online" option like other newly uploaded manga file in the siteit looks like almost everyone agree that this manga suck to hell
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