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Old 2013-01-17, 23:59   Link #11661
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Well, the way she misused the style... about things slowing down... I wonder if maybe she slowed her heartbeat down to make it appear that she's dead for some reason?
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Old 2013-01-18, 00:23   Link #11662
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So I'm reading this chapter, and the first two pages were laughable to the point of contempt.

And then Medaka's doing her usual speech-building. You know, general Sue stuff.

And then...

BAM!

Instant Fresh.

Yeah, you know this blessing isn't gonna last but...how incredibly satisfying. Although I don't very much see the point of deconstructing Medaka's Sueness after the True Flask Plan arc, since that's just a re-hash of that past arc, but this has been foreshadowed since the JBW.
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Old 2013-01-18, 02:21   Link #11663
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So I guess the resolution here will have something to do with the long-awaited reveal of what Styles exactly are, then.
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Medaka-chan survives or is revived somehow.
Why? Cuz the ending of a manga title would be announced beforehand, we can't have the main Char + namegiver dying off before the final ~2 chapters at most.
If we get a title change or something of that nature next week, I'll laugh.
I don't think she's dead for real either, though.
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Yeah, you know this blessing isn't gonna last but...how incredibly satisfying.
I know, right? It's even better than the time when she became the two percent.
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Old 2013-01-18, 05:52   Link #11664
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Zenkichi: Medaka!!!

Iihiko: I win.

Medaka No.2: You just beat me once...I haven't lose.

Iihiko: !!!

Zenkichi: !!!

Medaka No.3: Medaka 3 reporting!
Medaka No.4: Medaka 4 reporting!
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Medaka No.640,000 : Medaka 640000 reporting!

Iihiko: ....I quit.
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Old 2013-01-18, 06:33   Link #11665
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The only thing I find laughable is that Medaka blames herself for the Professor's behavior and his death...it's just ridiculous, how much of a sue can one be? >_>

Even with all the Medaka stuff going on, Nienami and Kamome's interactions completely stole the show.
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Old 2013-01-18, 08:18   Link #11666
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The only thing I find laughable is that Medaka blames herself for the Professor's behavior and his death...it's just ridiculous, how much of a sue can one be? >_>

Even with all the Medaka stuff going on, Nienami and Kamome's interactions completely stole the show.
Actually Medaka's reaction to Fukurou isn't really odd. It's not uncommon for minors who are being abused by an older relative to blame themselves for it or try to justify their behaviour. It's the same principle.
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Old 2013-01-18, 08:25   Link #11667
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looks like then, its impossible to hope for someone replacing medaka as MC(like zenkichi).
it was satisfying to see though, where nienami suddenly says something seriously relevant and then medaka fails.
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Old 2013-01-18, 09:11   Link #11668
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Actually Medaka's reaction to Fukurou isn't really odd. It's not uncommon for minors who are being abused by an older relative to blame themselves for it or try to justify their behaviour. It's the same principle.

Stockholm's Syndrome at it's finest. Abuse = love.

I have to admit, the three-four pages of slow-mo Medaka death was really well done, with just a slight change each page until she fell. Akatsuki did well with the art there.
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Old 2013-01-18, 09:59   Link #11669
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I have to admit, the three-four pages of slow-mo Medaka death was really done, with just a slight change each page until she fell. Akatsuki did well with the art there.
It's actually moments like those and Ajimu's wall of skill names and so on that make me love this manga so much for the art (art which I've always considered one of them best currently around).
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Old 2013-01-18, 11:09   Link #11670
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Yeah, I was talking about this chapter with a friend last night and he suggested this outcome too. It's probably what's going to happen.
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I have to admit, the three-four pages of slow-mo Medaka death was really done, with just a slight change each page until she fell. Akatsuki did well with the art there.
...You thought that was well done? Looked like space-filling to me.
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Old 2013-01-18, 13:50   Link #11671
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Considering how ANshini'n might be still alive in one way or another, it is possible that Medaka died on purpose to meet her..

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Like it or not, the odds that Anshin'in is alive are high.
We even got a hint by last chapter's corpse:
Corpses are being shown in this Manga, yet Iihiko only showed them Anshinin's hair. Why showing someone hair to procve they are dea when you split their body?
Another reason I think its possible is that she ahs been a bodyless entity before.
Also note that one of her abilities was imortality. Thats a passive, and not something she could use' aagainst him.
She also met him before, and they, apparently, battled. Yet she had no wound, and was very alive, yet she knew that she would only last 15 seconds - coincidence? I think not : D
So yeah the chances are imho 50:50

As for Medake:
Well as stated above she might have wanted to meet Ajimu, or is really just pulling a fast one on him, having created 800 clones.
If not, well maybe Zenkichi will win this battle now.
Weak attacks are apparently the best way to win againstthis enemy him.
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Old 2013-01-18, 14:54   Link #11672
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Considering how ANshini'n might be still alive in one way or another, it is possible that Medaka died on purpose to meet her..

Oh yeah preventive:
Like it or not, the odds that Anshin'in is alive are high.
We even got a hint by last chapter's corpse:
Corpses are being shown in this Manga, yet Iihiko only showed them Anshinin's hair. Why showing someone hair to procve they are dea when you split their body?
Another reason I think its possible is that she ahs been a bodyless entity before.
Also note that one of her abilities was imortality. Thats a passive, and not something she could use' aagainst him.
She also met him before, and they, apparently, battled. Yet she had no wound, and was very alive, yet she knew that she would only last 15 seconds - coincidence? I think not : D
So yeah the chances are imho 50:50\
I think you're reaching for straws. I agree that it's fairly likely that Ajimu will come back, but your "evidence" demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what the whole point of Iihiko is. It doesn't matter if a skill is active or passive, because he just ignores them. Skills do not exist to him. Ajimu had a billion (literally!) other passive skills that also should have let her win, but none of them worked because Iihiko is beyond skills. Medaka explained this using the "piece of paper" analogy. Iihiko is just as immune to skills as the reader is. From his perspective, no skill is any more dangerous than a fictional character is to you. And if he wants to kill them he can just rip the page in half, regardless of what overpowered description they're given by the setting. Their world is a manga, and he doesn't live in it, therefore he's immune to all their fictional powers. But their words can still reach him, just like a fictional character's words can reach you. This is essentially analogous to "styles don't work on people who are angry". They haven't explained the precise conditions of why Iihiko is immune to skills (surely it has to do with their nature as "personalities"), but that's just how it is.

As for the lack of body, we saw her get cut in half. Unless Iihiko himself put her back together, there's nothing she can really do about that without skills. As for the lack of scars, they explained that she never confronted him directly, instead preferring to use pawns, like she used Zenkichi against Medaka. Fighting him herself was supposed to be a form of character development.

Now, this isn't to say that I think she's really dead, just that your reasoning is terrible and makes me think you aren't even reading the same series. She could easily have multiple bodies, and in fact she does. She is 700 million people after all, a fact which was very recently brought up by Medaka in a fight against someone with multiple bodies. Furthermore the very nature of styles is to "break the rules" regarding Iihiko and indeed the rest of the world. I would also come to the same 50:50 conclusion.
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Old 2013-01-18, 15:30   Link #11673
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"That's not how you use a Style!"

Oh shit, haha. That was a pretty weighty statement in light of the observed consequences.

Medaka's death was not any trick or gambit; she seriously tried and she seriously failed. Because she tried to use a Style (i.e. "understanding", "sympathy") as a tool to attack somebody (well, not just "somebody", but rather Iihiko, after all), she ended up merely tossing her fictional meat against him, turning her body into a corpse. If "styles" can be said to be able to defeat Iihiko, perhaps that has nothing to do with fighting him at all.

In any case, precisely of Medaka's failure this time in defeating him, it is necessary for her to be redeemed. After all, "communication" has been the primary center for all of her character development. For her to end here, part way, would make no story at all.

On the other hand, it will come to someone else to bring her back somehow. Medaka's defeat to Iihiko, in this contest at least, has been total.


I really like the comparison/analogy that Iihiko is alike an actual reader in the manga world. Ajimu's trait might have been that she could perceive our world/the fictional nature of her reality, but to state that Iihiko's being is as if he were actually part of our reality is a level higher still. Indeed, there is a level of difference between being able to simply see/understand something, and actually being able to enact it as an expression of will.

This has been always coming up here and there since the beginning, but Medaka Box is seriously one of the most meta series I have ever seen.
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Old 2013-01-18, 15:37   Link #11674
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Medaka's death was not any trick or gambit
How upset will you be when it is?
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Old 2013-01-18, 16:14   Link #11675
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How upset will you be when it is?
It won't be. Are you trying to provoke some sort of bet? If you really want to humiliate yourself, you can push your theories further, but the fact is that the idea that Medaka was not completely serious in her attack on Iihiko this time would go 100% against her characterization and the narration.
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Old 2013-01-18, 16:29   Link #11676
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Since when Medaka does something stupid because she has a trick up her sleeve, have you already forgotten that time when she used Naze's syringues on herself?
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Old 2013-01-18, 16:56   Link #11677
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...You thought that was well done? Looked like space-filling to me.
Good art isn't always about making efficient use of space. It's about making an impact. Sure, he could have just taken her out with one page and had her fall instantly, but I feel the way it was done, with the slow-motion like effect, made for a greater impact. It's the difference between giving the impression that "Medaka lost." and "MEDAKA LOST?!!" Kind of like how they use slow-motion in movies to show something like that.
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Somehow I know that Medaka is gonna come back somehow.
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Old 2013-01-18, 18:08   Link #11679
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Since when Medaka does something stupid because she has a trick up her sleeve, have you already forgotten that time when she used Naze's syringues on herself?
She's come a long way since then. Don't be disappointed if it turns out that it was a clone after all, that's all I'm saying.
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Good art isn't always about making efficient use of space. It's about making an impact.
Yeah and the impact it made on me was "I can't believed they wasted four pages on what was essentially the same image."
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Old 2013-01-18, 18:24   Link #11680
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She's come a long way since then. Don't be disappointed if it turns out that it was a clone after all, that's all I'm saying.
She can't learn Styles, have you already forgotten about this?

Well, of course she'll be back eventually, but it's gonna be hella interesting how will that happen.
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