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Marionette Cherry · 2013-01-20, 08:00

That's good to hear, I wouldn't mind it if it was advertised like a stealth game, but the trailers show Raiden always running into battle head on (IIRC) making you think this game is based around its combat, but then when you actually play the game you find you're penalized for getting caught.

We'll just have to wait and see. Still gonna get it.

amaterasu4 · 2013-01-20, 14:34

The stealth was added to the game just because Platinum thought it ended being too simple. The second level has soldiers attacking civlians so even a pacifist would want to fight.

Storyline's Raiden will be always focused on fighting with the exception of the Mexico chapter. I think this is because of the Jack The Ripper storyline.

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2013-01-20, 18:41

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Originally Posted by Marionette Cherry

That's good to hear, I wouldn't mind it if it was advertised like a stealth game, but the trailers show Raiden always running into battle head on (IIRC) making you think this game is based around its combat, but then when you actually play the game you find you're penalized for getting caught.

We'll just have to wait and see. Still gonna get it.

Seriously? You get penalized? I must have missed that in the demo.

kenjiharima · 2013-01-20, 19:27

It just ranks down your ranking when you get caught as I played in the demo.
It's pretty much similar to Tenchu in doing stealth kills sneak up, you can always fight head on if you messed up which would be easier with guards, but it also like the MG games alert other guards and Gekco's nearby.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-20, 20:04

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Originally Posted by kenjiharima

It just ranks down your ranking when you get caught as I played in the demo.
It's pretty much similar to Tenchu in doing stealth kills sneak up, you can always fight head on if you messed up which would be easier with guards, but it also like the MG games alert other guards and Gekco's nearby.

Having never played Tenchu, I have a feeling it'll be like Uncharted; there will be stealth areas, but more or less everything will come back to ACTION.

kenjiharima · 2013-01-20, 21:57

^
Tenchu is more of a ninja stealth game which pretty much makes you to a real ninja, though there are exaggeration like powers, demons, time travel and so on. Though you can indeed go strait ahead and just kill off enemies it will rank you low.

Anyways here's the FIRST MGR - Metal Gear Raiden Snake Eraser.

YouTube

http://youtu.be/ZbbCosL-rFI

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amaterasu4 · 2013-01-21, 08:36

The case of Metal Gear Solid 2's Raiden has been studied by several books and they get deep.
*http://www.digra.org/dl/db/05150.07598.pdf

*Utopic Dreams and Apocalyptic Fantasies
*Avatars of Story

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-21, 08:57

Tomorrow is the 22nd for my timezone, but I get the feeling I'll have to wait yet another day for the demo to be release =_=

kenjiharima · 2013-01-21, 18:24

already got the zone of enders MGSR demo. Iam awaiting the full game.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2013-01-21, 20:41

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Originally Posted by amaterasu4

The case of Metal Gear Solid 2's Raiden has been studied by several books and they get deep.
*http://www.digra.org/dl/db/05150.07598.pdf

*Utopic Dreams and Apocalyptic Fantasies
*Avatars of Story

The problem is that it deceived the paying customer. It is one thing to sell a complex story, it is another to lie to your customer on what they are buying.

If I bought a comic book but found War and Peace being the actual content of the volume, I would not say I was rewarded with good literature. MGS2 was too clever in that Kojima thought he doesn't have to care about what the buyer wants.

The insult added to injury is that the game start screen switches from a picture of Snake to Raiden once you finished the game. So you bought a game thinking you were buying a Solid Snake game, but once you finished you realised it was all a deliberate lie. There was no misunderstanding; kojima wants to preach to the gamer that he doesn't have the right to be Solid Snake.

kenjiharima · 2013-01-22, 00:03

^because he wanted a younger audience so he made Raiden, but it didn't appeal to the people and they wanted Solid Snake. Kojima learned this lesson.

One reason why Raiden was so butchered in MGS3 and made into a comic character.

Kyero Fox · 2013-01-22, 00:38

But look at him now!

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2013-01-22, 00:49

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Originally Posted by kenjiharima

^because he wanted a younger audience so he made Raiden, but it didn't appeal to the people and they wanted Solid Snake. Kojima learned this lesson.

One reason why Raiden was so butchered in MGS3 and made into a comic character.

As I say, the main issue is that he didn't tell people what he was doing until they already bought the game.

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

But look at him now!

MGS:R is exactly as advertised. The problem with MGS2 was never about Raiden; the problem was trying to sell something under false pretences.

The thing is, MGS2 as a story only makes sense if the player actually expected to play as Snake. So Kojima HAS to deceive his own customers to make his point. But you really can't treat your paying customers like a social experiment like that. He overstep his bounds and didn't realise that he insulted people.

kenjiharima · 2013-01-22, 01:10

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

As I say, the main issue is that he didn't tell people what he was doing until they already bought the game.

He wanted it to be a surprise, but instead it backfired because people wanted to play as Solid Snake.

Which he learned from MGS2 to not keep people in the dark anymore if there are new characters.

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Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

But look at him now!

Now a Cyborg Ninja with high heels.

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-22, 02:30

You know, since we changed Devil May Cry 5 to DmC, maybe we should do the same for Rising

?

kenjiharima · 2013-01-22, 03:04

Let's change Mario as well to this http://sadpanda.us/images/1364168-S16XZ3T.jpg

Either way I'm very glad this game brought something new to the table slicing almost anything in the way you want.

Also NT kissing Kamiya's butt. Didn't they know that kamiya is not involved with MGR? lol makes them laughable.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/12/12/kami...l-gear-rising/

then they tweet this

http://sadpanda.us/images/1361875-NC78O9H.jpg

Also more gaming journalism

http://www.oxm.co.uk/48910/previews/...came-a-badass/

amaterasu4 · 2013-01-22, 09:44

NT and Kamiya sitting on a tree!

Tong · 2013-01-22, 17:50

Let's all download the Demo and try!

Btw, whens PC demo?

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-01-23, 08:04

@#$%!

....I don't think I'm getting the demo this week for my region... Reason being that the Dead Space 3 demo has only just arrived on my PSN...

Vigo · 2013-01-23, 10:02

Create an US PSN account and download the demo there.

2013-01-20, 19:27	Link #404
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	It just ranks down your ranking when you get caught as I played in the demo. It's pretty much similar to Tenchu in doing stealth kills sneak up, you can always fight head on if you messed up which would be easier with guards, but it also like the MG games alert other guards and Gekco's nearby. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-01-20, 21:57	Link #406
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	^ Tenchu is more of a ninja stealth game which pretty much makes you to a real ninja, though there are exaggeration like powers, demons, time travel and so on. Though you can indeed go strait ahead and just kill off enemies it will rank you low. Anyways here's the FIRST MGR - Metal Gear Raiden Snake Eraser. YouTube http://youtu.be/ZbbCosL-rFI Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-01-21, 08:57	Link #408
Chaos2Frozen Chaos of Crawling Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 24	Tomorrow is the 22nd for my timezone, but I get the feeling I'll have to wait yet another day for the demo to be release =_= __________________

2013-01-21, 18:24	Link #409
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	already got the zone of enders MGSR demo. Iam awaiting the full game. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-01-22, 00:03	Link #411
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	^because he wanted a younger audience so he made Raiden, but it didn't appeal to the people and they wanted Solid Snake. Kojima learned this lesson. One reason why Raiden was so butchered in MGS3 and made into a comic character. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-01-20, 08:00	Link #401
Marionette Cherry Ecchi Queen Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Australia	That's good to hear, I wouldn't mind it if it was advertised like a stealth game, but the trailers show Raiden always running into battle head on (IIRC) making you think this game is based around its combat, but then when you actually play the game you find you're penalized for getting caught. We'll just have to wait and see. Still gonna get it.

2013-01-20, 14:34	Link #402
amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car	The stealth was added to the game just because Platinum thought it ended being too simple. The second level has soldiers attacking civlians so even a pacifist would want to fight. Storyline's Raiden will be always focused on fighting with the exception of the Mexico chapter. I think this is because of the Jack The Ripper storyline.

2013-01-21, 08:36	Link #407
amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car	The case of Metal Gear Solid 2's Raiden has been studied by several books and they get deep. http://www.digra.org/dl/db/05150.07598.pdf Utopic Dreams and Apocalyptic Fantasies *Avatars of Story

2013-01-22, 00:38	Link #412
Kyero Fox Tastes Cloudy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Snake Way Age: 24	But look at him now! __________________

2013-01-22, 02:30	Link #415
Chaos2Frozen Chaos of Crawling Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 24	You know, since we changed Devil May Cry 5 to DmC, maybe we should do the same for Rising ? __________________

2013-01-22, 03:04	Link #416
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 32	Let's change Mario as well to this http://sadpanda.us/images/1364168-S16XZ3T.jpg Either way I'm very glad this game brought something new to the table slicing almost anything in the way you want. Also NT kissing Kamiya's butt. Didn't they know that kamiya is not involved with MGR? lol makes them laughable. http://www.vg247.com/2011/12/12/kami...l-gear-rising/ then they tweet this http://sadpanda.us/images/1361875-NC78O9H.jpg Also more gaming journalism http://www.oxm.co.uk/48910/previews/...came-a-badass/ __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2013-01-22, 09:44	Link #417
amaterasu4 CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shame Car	NT and Kamiya sitting on a tree!

2013-01-22, 17:50	Link #418
Tong . . . Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: 2014 World cup hoster Age: 21	Let's all download the Demo and try! Btw, whens PC demo? __________________ My gallery...

2013-01-23, 08:04	Link #419
Chaos2Frozen Chaos of Crawling Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 24	*@#$%!* ....I don't think I'm getting the demo this week for my region... Reason being that the Dead Space 3 demo has only just arrived on my PSN... __________________

2013-01-23, 10:02	Link #420
Vigo too lazy to post Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Germany Age: 23	Create an US PSN account and download the demo there.