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Old 2009-11-14, 08:07   Link #141
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that doesn't matter, the young Eva is still alive inside old Eva, she's seeing all that's happening
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Old 2009-11-14, 08:14   Link #142
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Don't forget Eva the Younger telling it to her older self, several decades before Kinzo wrote it down...
In a dream, which old Eva was having. Its not exactly reliable.
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Old 2009-11-14, 11:32   Link #143
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In a dream, which old Eva was having. Its not exactly reliable.
Not to mention Eva-B's "Killing the same person multiple times" could be her mind covering any mistakes for when the bodies are found.
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Old 2009-11-26, 14:00   Link #144
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Here's an idea I've been tinkering around with for a bit.
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Old 2009-11-27, 01:37   Link #145
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One thing that has been bothering me is that Kinzo wrote the epitaph not Beatrice, so when the epitaph says
At the third twilight, those who remain shall praise my honorable name on high.
Doesn't it mean Kinzo not Beatrice.

Also in the first episode
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Just a suggestion.
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Old 2009-11-27, 07:30   Link #146
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One thing that has been bothering me is that Kinzo wrote the epitaph not Beatrice, so when the epitaph says
At the third twilight, those who remain shall praise my honorable name on high.
Doesn't it mean Kinzo not Beatrice.

Also in the first episode
Spoiler for Possibility of key:

Just a suggestion.
Yeah, the third twilight probably has something to do with the Ushiromiya name.
As for the family ring, we know it's not needed to find the village of gold.
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Old 2009-11-28, 19:53   Link #147
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Maybe the key isn't the ring but Kinzo himself (his name)
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Old 2009-11-29, 00:16   Link #148
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Yeah, the third twilight probably has something to do with the Ushiromiya name.
As for the family ring, we know it's not needed to find the village of gold.
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If that's the case, then I believe that the key is the gold. After all...
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Old 2009-11-29, 01:13   Link #149
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That wouldn't work, Metaler because...
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Old 2009-11-29, 03:39   Link #150
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1) it is something around the line of a family tree
2) there are things that can go up and down on it
3) you can find it in an atlas
4) it goes through a village, or many villages (whatever "village" means)
5) it has a connection with the sea (whatever "sea" means)
6) it is not a river
But i'm not too sure about the atlas. Because if village and sea are metaphors then it may not be found in the atlas. List it better like this
1) it is something around the line of a family tree
2) there are things that can go up and down on it
3) you can find it in a very common book
4) it goes through a village, or many villages (whatever "village" means)
5) it has a connection with the sea (whatever "sea" means)
6) it is not a river
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Old 2009-11-29, 04:03   Link #151
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"Railroad" is still the best answer I've heard.
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Old 2009-11-29, 08:30   Link #152
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But i'm not too sure about the atlas. Because if village and sea are metaphors then it may not be found in the atlas. List it better like this
1) it is something around the line of a family tree
2) there are things that can go up and down on it
3) you can find it in a very common book
4) it goes through a village, or many villages (whatever "village" means)
5) it has a connection with the sea (whatever "sea" means)
6) it is not a river
No they were actually really looking at an atlas (地図帳 in the original, which nothing more than a collection of maps)...so it is very likely that the solution is actually related to some geographical fact.

Ryukishi also said that there are supposedly people who solved the epitaph by about 98%, but the remaining 2% are still very much impossible to be KNOWN, because you have to 'be on Rokkenjima' for it. I explain this in a way that there is still a small thing about Rokkenjima we need to know, but it has to be pretty important.
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Old 2009-11-30, 19:35   Link #153
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Something that can be found in an atlas and relates to sea.

Population?

Not really sure if this is it though as there would be no way to think that you were correct unless you checked an atlas. Eva thought she was correct and only checked an atlas to double-check.

Other than that, Railway seems to be the best bet.
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Old 2009-12-01, 06:21   Link #154
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Most probably the map is of the island and EVERYTHING (the two, shores,etc) are on the island
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Old 2009-12-01, 08:25   Link #155
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Most probably the map is of the island and EVERYTHING (the two, shores,etc) are on the island
But it would be strange to say then, that 98% of the epitaph is solved.
I can't imagine that the locale-metaphors make up actually only 2% of the riddle.
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Old 2009-12-01, 14:11   Link #156
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Most probably the map is of the island and EVERYTHING (the two, shores,etc) are on the island
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Old 2009-12-02, 12:46   Link #157
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I was thinking something like train tracks / routes. If there's some kind of central station, it'd be like a hometown that the trains return to, which checks out with the fish metaphor. Train tracks have a river-like branching pattern, too.
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Old 2009-12-02, 12:54   Link #158
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I was thinking something like train tracks / routes. If there's some kind of central station, it'd be like a hometown that the trains return to, which checks out with the fish metaphor. Train tracks have a river-like branching pattern, too.
I don't know, I've got a feeling that's a tad complicated for Kinzo. Remember...

Spoiler for Episode 3 of the Game:


Though I'm known to be wrong. In case, does anyone know what railroad is in Japanese? I think you'd say "railroad" in katakana with "re a ru ro du", which only totals five characters. Maybe you can write the Japanese word for it with six, which would make it a possible key.

EDIT: Never mind, looked it up myself. Railroad is "tetsudou", or "鉄道". That's four characters, so I don't think it would work, unless there's another way to write it, or some other combination of different pronounciations of the two kanji.

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Old 2009-12-02, 13:18   Link #159
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Err, it's not complicated at all, and I'm not saying the answer would be "railroad". I'm saying that this sort of thing looks like it's made of rivers.

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Old 2009-12-02, 14:40   Link #160
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railroad is supposed to be the river not the key.

Anyway I don't think there is a single "home" for trains, rather at least one for each "line".
And to shatter even more this idea ^^;

Ryukishi in an interview pretty much made clear that the adults know where Kinzo used to live, of course this include Eva. Ryukishi said that knowing what the homeland is was a huge advantage for her.
That's an incredible huge hint Ryukishi revealed there

http://209.85.135.132/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&gl=it
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でも絵羽の場合は金蔵が昔住んでいた場所を具体的に知っていた分だけ、ラクだったでしょうね。普通の人だったら“金蔵の故郷”について、それこそ北海道の礼文島から沖縄の与那国島まで全部想定して考 えなければならないですから。ただ金蔵はごく普通の人間なので、宇宙ステーションに住んでいたわけはないだ ろうし、まさか南極に住んでいたとも考えにくいですね。少なくとも、普通に人間として住めるどこかの住所だ ったでしょう。
Bolded part translates into: "But in the case of Eva just the fact that she concretely knew the location where Kinzo used to live was very lucky."
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