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Old 2009-09-25, 08:23   Link #361
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Old 2009-09-25, 08:48   Link #362
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Old 2009-09-25, 09:13   Link #363
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There are actually a bunch of theories about that, but it's a spoiler of sorts. June touched upon it but the bigger theories are in the other threads.
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Old 2009-09-25, 09:49   Link #364
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Old 2009-09-25, 23:35   Link #366
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Yes and No.

Battler is proving magic and witches are not responsible for the murders and that the culprit is human. It is more that he is denying Beatrice's existence in the world that way I suppose.
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Old 2009-09-26, 00:00   Link #368
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Yes and No.

Battler is proving magic and witches are not responsible for the murders and that the culprit is human. It is more that he is denying Beatrice's existence in the world that way I suppose.
That's what I thought, but doesn't that mean anything that does happen in the Meta-World Ex: Ronove, Lambda, Beato, etc. he can say exist presently there? Without it being used as a fault against him?
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After that flashback, is there still any doubt that a person (Human or otherwise) named Beatrice existed on the island at some point?
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Old 2009-09-26, 00:26   Link #370
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That's what I thought, but doesn't that mean anything that does happen in the Meta-World Ex: Ronove, Lambda, Beato, etc. he can say exist presently there? Without it being used as a fault against him?
If he acknowledges Beatrice as the culprit and a witch he loses. In Meta-World it's different - even though he talks to them and what not it doesn't count. Only if he accepts her as a witch within the game and all.
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After that flashback, is there still any doubt that a person (Human or otherwise) named Beatrice existed on the island at some point?
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If a person died, it means that they existed at some point ^^ Beatrice exists! Kihihihihihihi...
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Old 2009-09-26, 08:04   Link #373
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Not like there was a doubt, there must be thousands of Beatrice in the world. What needs to be demonstrated is that the Golden Witch Beatrice exists in the Rokkenjima of 1986 ^^
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Hmm =.= I am annoyed now
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Old 2009-09-26, 11:41   Link #376
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She's talking about 1986 Rokkenjima. The red is only usable in terms of factors affecting the game. The number of people on the island before 1986 shouldn't be a factor because the game board is an isolated area.
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Old 2009-09-26, 13:14   Link #377
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Where can I find all the translated Extra TIPS? I couldn't really find them in this forum even after scouring the Translation thread and all.

Hope this isn't prohibited or anything.

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Old 2009-09-26, 14:13   Link #378
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The problem with the red truth is that if you want to find a loophole in it you can take advantage even of the smallest particulars. This means that even when Ryukishi tried his best to made a red truth as clear as possible, you can still find a way to doubt it. And even when such a way doesn't exist in the original, it might arise in the translated form, or in the shortened anime form. All these, unfortunately, leads to useless speculations.

In the story the red truth might be a tool for Beatrice to win a game, but outside the story the red truth is meant to help the reader/spectator into making the right theories, because this story is so confusing that without the red truths you couldn't be sure about anything. In this story doubting about the red truth is like doubting about your five senses. What would you trust then?

that sentence about Beatrice in the novel was worded in a more clear way:

Spoiler for Episode3 covered by anime episode13:
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So if for example, somebody finds a loophole in the red text, we can't actually know for sure whether it is a genuine loophole, or a misinterpretation?
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Old 2009-09-26, 21:56   Link #380
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Sadly, it's impossible, especially in the anime which leaves a lot more holes open.
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