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Old 2011-03-23, 09:09   Link #1101
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Old 2011-03-23, 14:09   Link #1102
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episode8:

1.who survives just battler and eva?? and ange of course
2.were the witches real?
3.okay i dont get the jessica, shannon thingie...and beatrice...where they the same person?
4.who was the person battler liked? blonde hair blue eyes ? was it jessica?
5.was shanon and kanon one person?
6.who was beatrice (the one that we keep seeing)??
7.)what was the ending/last scene? ange found out everyone was dead?
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Old 2011-03-23, 14:24   Link #1103
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I'd wait for episode 8 to be translated for a more accurate answer. We only have summaries. But a few of your questions have answers in earlier episodes.

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Old 2011-03-23, 14:47   Link #1104
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episode8:

1.who survives just battler and eva?? and ange of course
2.were the witches real?
3.okay i dont get the jessica, shannon thingie...and beatrice...where they the same person?
4.who was the person battler liked? blonde hair blue eyes ? was it jessica?
5.was shanon and kanon one person?
6.who was beatrice (the one that we keep seeing)??
7.)what was the ending/last scene? ange found out everyone was dead?
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Old 2011-03-24, 01:37   Link #1105
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thanks!!! okay i have a few more questions........
1.what is the golden land?
2. is there any info on why maria was crazy throughout the series?
3.so did bern and lambda exist?
4.was there any references to higurashi made
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Old 2011-03-24, 04:32   Link #1106
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thanks!!! okay i have a few more questions........
1.what is the golden land?
2. is there any info on why maria was crazy throughout the series?
3.so did bern and lambda exist?
4.was there any references to higurashi made
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well, that's how I understood them. Of course, there may be more accurate answers than mine.
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Old 2011-03-24, 15:12   Link #1107
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I got a question. Don't take my question the wrong way I'm just curious, but if every crime committed is somehow solvable through human means, what's the point in having witches?

And a random question is Bernkastel the same person as the Bernkastel in higurashi? I'm not talking about Frederica, I'm talking about the one who always gets killed.
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Old 2011-03-24, 15:56   Link #1108
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I got a question. Don't take my question the wrong way I'm just curious, but if every crime committed is somehow solvable through human means, what's the point in having witches?
What witches? I'm kidding. One reason is to be an illusion to deny. Another is that it's an allegory for motivations and ways to get shit done. Lamdadelta for example can represent accomplishing something with hard work and minimizing obstacles to a point where she can certainly accomplish it without a lot of effort. Another thing is the witches end up being antagonists a lot. Especially Bern in later episodes.

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And a random question is Bernkastel the same person as the Bernkastel in higurashi? I'm not talking about Frederica, I'm talking about the one who always gets killed.
If you don't mean Frederica Bernkastel than you probably mean Rika? The honest answer is we don't know. At best she's a continuity nod to Higurashi and not actually connected to it. Ryukishi's attitude in interviews (plus stuff like Higurashi being a novel in Umineko) seems to suggest he doesn't want Umineko to be connected to Higurashi.

Also episode 8 apparently says

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Old 2011-03-24, 16:36   Link #1109
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higurashi is a story in umineko? does that mean higurashi..wasnt really?

or is it just two seperate animes....and both happened/are really...but the creator doesnt want there to connections since they are two different stories


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What witches? I'm kidding. One reason is to be an illusion to deny. Another is that it's an allegory for motivations and ways to get shit done. Lamdadelta for example can represent accomplishing something with hard work and minimizing obstacles to a point where she can certainly accomplish it without a lot of effort. Another thing is the witches end up being antagonists a lot. Especially Bern in later episodes.



If you don't mean Frederica Bernkastel than you probably mean Rika? The honest answer is we don't know. At best she's a continuity nod to Higurashi and not actually connected to it. Ryukishi's attitude in interviews (plus stuff like Higurashi being a novel in Umineko) seems to suggest he doesn't want Umineko to be connected to Higurashi.

Also episode 8 apparently says

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Old 2011-03-24, 17:17   Link #1110
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higurashi is a story in umineko? does that mean higurashi..wasnt really?

or is it just two seperate animes....and both happened/are really...but the creator doesnt want there to connections since they are two different stories
It's kinda both.

Like I said it seems he doesn't want them to be connected. Save for a few characters like Bern, Okonogi, and Amakusa (Amakusa's character design was used for one of the Yamainu i.e. Hibari 13) who are sorta continuity nods or mythology gags. He hasn't done anything to suggest he wants it all to be tied together as one story.

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Old 2011-03-24, 20:22   Link #1111
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What witches? I'm kidding. One reason is to be an illusion to deny. Another is that it's an allegory for motivations and ways to get shit done. Lamdadelta for example can represent accomplishing something with hard work and minimizing obstacles to a point where she can certainly accomplish it without a lot of effort. Another thing is the witches end up being antagonists a lot. Especially Bern in later episodes.



If you don't mean Frederica Bernkastel than you probably mean Rika? The honest answer is we don't know. At best she's a continuity nod to Higurashi and not actually connected to it. Ryukishi's attitude in interviews (plus stuff like Higurashi being a novel in Umineko) seems to suggest he doesn't want Umineko to be connected to Higurashi.

Also episode 8 apparently says

Spoiler for Spoiler ep 8:
Ah okay makes sense. I was only assuming that Bernkastel was the same in both just sort of like how Battler and meta battler are the same.
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Old 2011-03-24, 21:45   Link #1112
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This isn't really very clear but I more or less agree with Judoh. it seems that Umineko exists in a higher layer of existence where both the various Umineko "games" and Higurashi exist as fictions.

Bernkastel and Lambdadelta are suggested to be recurring characters, in other words characters that aren't bound to a specific story but that can appear in different stories, where they can gain different forms and roles. (that's probably why they are called "voyagers")

For example Bernkastel took the role of the villain in Umineko, but she wasn't a villain in Higurashi.

It is implied that Lambdadelta and Bernkastel will meet again in another "when they cry" series, but only the author knows in which roles and under which forms.
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Old 2011-03-25, 01:58   Link #1113
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so basically,...what i take from the two series...they are two series and everything that happened in the series happened...meaning that higurashi is real and not just some fictional work...

but just to bring higurashi in, in umineko they say its a story

which is something similar to bleach is a manga in gintama...but in bleach its a real thing....hopefully this makes sense hahah and houw in lucky star haruhi is an anime phase, etc, etc
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Old 2011-03-28, 21:19   Link #1114
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Several logical questions about concept of writing stories (both for novel and anime):

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3.Why Beatrice didn't wrote the third story, in other words why two bottles, not three?

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Old 2011-04-04, 17:55   Link #1117
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Mine isn't really a logical question of any kind. I was just very concerned. I was told by and have seen many people say the ending is terrible. Without giving spoilers, is this really true? Or are people exaggerating? I suppose it is an opinion but I can't stop this horrible feeling from all day XD I just started getting into it and have spent at least 30 hours playing it so far. If anyone would let me know without any spoilers. Also I heard a fandisk is due, will it clear anything up?
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Mine isn't really a logical question of any kind. I was just very concerned. I was told by and have seen many people say the ending is terrible. Without giving spoilers, is this really true? Or are people exaggerating? I suppose it is an opinion but I can't stop this horrible feeling from all day XD I just started getting into it and have spent at least 30 hours playing it so far. If anyone would let me know without any spoilers. Also I heard a fandisk is due, will it clear anything up?
Let's just say people weren't expecting it to end the way it did, despite some signs that it probably should have and could have been expected. As for the fan disc, only Ryukishi07 himself knows what will be in it.
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Old 2011-04-07, 05:25   Link #1119
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did they ever show asmu? or how ever u spell her name (battlers mom) in the game?
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