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Old 2009-06-29, 12:33   Link #241
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Hope this isn't true, but if it is, it's a damning indictment of MJ's entourage &
hangers-on:

http://pajamasmedia.com/richardferna...e-living-dead/
The circumstances surrounding the death of Michael Jackson remind me of the circumstances surrounding the death of Howard Hughes. Both men were incredibly wealthy and were surrounded by "yes" men and women who catered to Jacksons every wish, even if those wishes were clearly destructive and potentially lethal. It takes a while to become emaciated, bruised, scarred and addicted. Where were the people who supposedly cared so much about Jackson?

I'm astounded that any medical professional would begin CPR on a bed, or perform "gentle" chest compressions during a cardiac arrest. Even first year nursing students know that CPR is initiated only on a hard surface. And whats up with all those who wrote the numerous prescriptions for the potent narcotics, tranquilizers and antidepressants that he ingested. The staff that surrounded him daily did nothing to help this obviously very ill man.
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Old 2009-06-29, 12:39   Link #242
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Right now there are too many speculations and rumors floating around. The only thing we can say for sure is that the late years of his life was a tragedy.

Michael gave so much to the world, yet the world was torturing him till the death...
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Old 2009-06-29, 12:53   Link #243
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I do like some of MJ's song, especially "Beat It" and Thriller... as they sounded very good... but it's not a surprise because he had a history of addiction to pain killers, which could result in the tragedy... but doing CPR on a bed isn't very effective since the bed sinks down and should really be done on the floor..

Many people and I am going to miss him, but in my opinion, his songs are very good and will live on even after his death.
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Old 2009-06-29, 12:57   Link #244
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Hope this isn't true, but if it is, it's a damning indictment of MJ's entourage &
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http://pajamasmedia.com/richardferna...e-living-dead/
I heard this is fake. But I'm really interested to know how he died too. I even heard that he was supposed to have a "lung transplant". So far, the real autopsy reports aren't out.

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I'm astounded that any medical professional would begin CPR on a bed, or perform "gentle" chest compressions during a cardiac arrest. Even first year nursing students know that CPR is initiated only on a hard surface.
Not really. It doesn't matter where you do CPR. If a real live person had a cardiac arrest right on his bed, you don't drag him down the floor just to perform CPR lol As long as you compressed hard enough that the heart was able to pump more blood, nobody cares where you do it. Maybe if you're doing it on a dummy, a hard surface will be ideal.
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Old 2009-06-29, 13:09   Link #245
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No, I'm pretty sure that it's common knowledge that CPR is better done on a hard surface....
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Old 2009-06-29, 13:15   Link #246
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Not really. It doesn't matter where you do CPR. If a real live person had a cardiac arrest right on his bed, you don't drag him down the floor just to perform CPR lol As long as you compressed hard enough that the heart was able to pump more blood, nobody cares where you do it. Maybe if you're doing it on a dummy, a hard surface will be ideal.
Actually it does matter.

Common CPR practices call for the patient to be on a hard surface, because it is difficult to compress the chest on a soft surface. The 911 dispatcher even tells the doctor to get him on the floor after the doctor told the dispatcher that Jackson was on the bed. When CPR is done in a hospital bed, a hard surface is pulled from the crash cart or a bed board so it can be done.
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Old 2009-06-29, 17:08   Link #247
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Yes, you guys are right. Textbook CPR procedure. It is difficult to do CPR on a soft surface so it would be "ideal" to do it on a hard surface for good reasons. In the perfect world, doing it on a CPR board will make your life much easier, but in reality where not all patients can be moved, nerves get tight, and/or resources are unavailable, we still have to do CPR whether the environment is favorable or not. Like I said, the idea of CPR is to squeeze the blood out of that heart to perfuse the body.

I'm just saying that if you were able to pump the heart good enough to support the body, that's the only thing that matters. And it can be done even if you don't place the patient on a hard surface. Just lay the patient flat and do compresses extra hard. Think as if you're compressing both mattress and the patient. Really once put in a bind, next to a broken rib, the last thing we worry about is whether we were able to do CPR on a hard surface or on a soft. However, I do get your point about performing a CPR on a hard surface. That would be "ideal", but it can't be done all the time depending on the situation. ^_^ Reality isn't black and white afterall.

Back to Michael, I find it a bit strange that they're questioning a cardiologist of botching the CPR all because he didn't do CPR on a hard surface. =/ I kinda trust the cardiologist this time, from his title, I think he knew what he was doing. It's not like the whole world knew the nitty-gritty of what happened to Michael Jackson.
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Old 2009-06-29, 19:35   Link #248
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last thing I heard about concerning Michael's death was from their family lawyer, and he was afraid it might of been from the medicine he was taking after he injured himself on stage preparing for his final tour.
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Old 2009-06-30, 02:03   Link #249
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Back to Michael, I find it a bit strange that they're questioning a cardiologist of botching the CPR all because he didn't do CPR on a hard surface. =/ I kinda trust the cardiologist this time, from his title, I think he knew what he was doing. It's not like the whole world knew the nitty-gritty of what happened to Michael Jackson.
Well in this situation there was a floor next to the bed that the doctor could have performed the CPR on, so the hard surface was there. He should have gotten him on the floor for maximum effectiveness. As I said before, in the 911 call thats been publicly released, you can hear the 911 dispatcher telling the doctor to put Michael on the floor after the doctor tells the dispatcher that Michael is on the bed.

I think the most probable reason is that the doctor was too "caught" in the moment to really think of putting Jackson on the floor.
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Old 2009-06-30, 16:38   Link #250
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Interview from photographer and photos from the reharsal

Taken 2 days before his death...
Somedays I wonder if having a pair of shinigami eyes would be useful
(His time's almost up, take more pics of him in his reharsal!)
Somedays anyway...
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Interview from photographer and photos from the reharsal

Taken 2 days before his death...
Somedays I wonder if having a pair of shinigami eyes would be useful
(His time's almost up, take more pics of him in his reharsal!)
Somedays anyway...
Thanks about that ~
Ah, it really looked like those concerts were prepared in the way to bring some of the old 80's magic back. Ah, but alas, life can trick you. Shame, honest..
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Old 2009-06-30, 18:56   Link #252
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WOW now news is coming out that his kids might not even be his biologically and that people signed clauses that said they were never allowed to reveal the truth. Even the two kids he apparantly had with his former wife (no not Lisa Marie Presley the other one) were not his nor hers biologically one of his long term friends is rumored to be the father of one. This stuff just keeps coming even death this man might not be able to find peace.
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Old 2009-06-30, 19:08   Link #253
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mom is watching her AZN news, apparently 12 crazy fans of Michael's committed suicide...

oy *facepalm*
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Old 2009-06-30, 20:55   Link #254
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mom is watching her AZN news, apparently 12 crazy fans of Michael's committed suicide...

oy *facepalm*
Wow, talk about Hardcore fans taking their fandom to the grave.

Anyways this is all starting to sound like a big mess.. it's no longer concerning Michael's existence but rather the things he left behind.
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Old 2009-06-30, 22:26   Link #255
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mom is watching her azn news, apparently 12 crazy fans of michael's committed suicide...

Oy *facepalm*


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Old 2009-06-30, 22:33   Link #256
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Is that even real? Is there a link?
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Old 2009-06-30, 23:52   Link #257
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like I said, she was watching AZN, where she gets her Thai news from.
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Old 2009-07-01, 02:45   Link #258
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Now this is EXPLOSIVE!

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Old 2009-07-01, 09:30   Link #259
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I dont like anyone enough to kill myself that includes MJ
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Old 2009-07-01, 09:36   Link #260
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^ - same here. Why would I do that? Even if it's Michael, or Buddha, or even freaking Jesus Christ.
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