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Old 2010-01-08, 01:42   Link #301
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Shaft doesn't give a (*) to someone who is outside their radar and won't care to fill up the JP-Western cultural gap, as shown from all the Japanese-centric references and jokes in many of the Shaft series. This is probably why most people here find this ep boring.
Gap, you say?
The situation for the Japanese seems pretty similar to here though, from the comments I've seen. A good number of people complaining about the pointlessly long... show in this episode while others liking it.
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Old 2010-01-08, 01:59   Link #302
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Well I think it's a question of what you really expected from this show as a viewer.
If you're a mangareader of course at first you will be shocked at the fact that it seems to completely deviate from the source material...it's then another question if you actually liked it or not.
There are also actually many Japanese annoyed by wideshows on television as much as there are many western people annoyed by talkshows...so even in the execution it's a question of wether you liked how they approached it or not.

From that point on it's Shaft's problem to either deviate so much from the source material that they can actually create their own series and be at least good in another way. There were many anime series which did their own thing but never managed to get away enough from the source material and therefore mostly stayed a bit inferior to the source...but also some which actually were great in their own interpretation of the material.
I mean, imagine for example Revolutionary Girl Utena would have just followed the manga plot, thrown in a few more duels and ended it at that...

And fantasy stories without an intricate secret behind the characters (except maybe their motivation) are great for such changes, which at least for me would make the animated version a tad more worthwile to watch, otherwise I could just read the source material.
It's better for them to do their own thing and suceed then painfully trying to adapt something that just won't fit their budget...yeah I'm looking at you Seiken no Blacksmith and Mushi-Uta...

Ah well we still don't know how they will go with the story...it's not like they couldn't go back on track after this episode, maybe they just skipped the prologue chapters.
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Old 2010-01-08, 02:06   Link #303
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With the subs, I loved this episode. It's more like an episode zero.

The jerk got what was coming to him. Mina looked royal, powerful and in control. Akira doesn't look like a pushover male anime lead.

The biogel means that these guys are all potentially daywalkers now. I hope we get more human reactions as the series progresses and these guys go out in public during the daytime and coexist with the human population out of the closet so to speak.
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Old 2010-01-08, 02:47   Link #304
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Old 2010-01-08, 03:23   Link #305
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I dunno, I thought this was interesting prologue to what would be Chapter 1. (Would also explain the soldier attack which i'm hoping to expect in the next episode).
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Old 2010-01-08, 03:52   Link #306
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"Greetings Mina. I hear you just created a new island, and I'm here today to talk to you about how much you could save by changing car insurance. MRRGRrRRRLGgRRllll!"
Hahahahahaha..... Bolded for emphasis. I loved the dance animation of that costume.

Anyway, IMO this was a very good episode. I haven't seen an episode like this since SHnY's The Adventures of Asahina Mikuru Ep00. The camera which sometimes goes out of focus, red/green outlines, bad panning, the prolonged talk show logo splash screen, animated 3d lower thirds, overexposed camera for the interviews with background flare, and many more. Only this one had worse animation. But the art is there. For Ep00 though, the ratio of people saying "masterpiece" vs "fail" was more even, since Ep00 was from the source material itself, and served pretty well to introduce all the basics of the Haruhi-verse. I strongly believe SHAFT was gunning for the same reaction, and I think they may have succeeded, judging from the reactions I've found on my side of the internet.

Come to think of it, from this screenshot (from Random Curiosity):

I believe they are actually parodying Ep00, what with that girl interviewing a Shamisen lookalike (not to mention the lighting and the TV lines, cinema ratio [1.85:1?] in 16:9 box). And oh yeah, I forgot to mention in-episode commercials! Definitely a parody of Ep00.

Being an anime-only watcher, I don't know if this ep managed to introduce the basics of this series, but I believe it has at least introduced the in-series definition/idea of a vampire. I don't know if they were poking fun at Twilight somewhere there in their dialogue, but the horrible talkshow had me smiling althroughout. What I found quite interesting was how the old guy said that Frankenstein would be more famous during economic crisis because he symbolizes rebirth.
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Old 2010-01-08, 04:09   Link #307
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Why do people believe that this was necessarily a replacement for the first manga chapter(s)? There a several factors that indicate that this happens BEFORE them, not instead. The manga introduction basically flashbacks to the announcement Mina just gave at the end of the episode, and then there's her reaction to Akira, who she clearly hasn't enlisted yet.
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Old 2010-01-08, 04:20   Link #308
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Actually ep1 maybe interesting for some people that new with Vampire Bund but for me as manga reader ep1 is actually troll/humilation for manga. I know SHAFT have style to make anime unique with using different graphic/animation/presentation but THIS EP SERIOUSLY NO FOR ME. Anyway seriously i accept any small change or filler in Bund adaption but this ep is seriously trolling manga reader (especially me). Oh well i still have faith with SHAFT because they really use huge budget to make awesome background, animation and graphic for this anime. If ep 1 bad for me, didn't mean anime adaption is bad. I still have 11 ep to watch and i will stick with this anime.
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Old 2010-01-08, 04:34   Link #309
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The first ep was a bit slow for me. Hopefully episode 2 will be different.
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Old 2010-01-08, 04:36   Link #310
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I don't know if they were poking fun at Twilight somewhere there in their dialogue, but the horrible talkshow had me smiling althroughout.

Actually, looking at it this way, it's as if they are, which makes the Ep even better, as I despise Twilight.
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Old 2010-01-08, 04:45   Link #311
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My main gripe is that yet again, Shinbo needed to have a pretentious "must change it radically, for it is I, Shinbo, who does this work" entrance which not only changed the atmosphere, but rather turned it upside down. Why? Why does he have to do this crap all the time? It works on certain shows which have different themes and setups. It most definitely did NOT work here.

DitVB lives from its atmosphere. Very serious, fairly dark, and quite a bit scary even up to the main character. And this is broken when I immediately have to grapple with anger at having Shinbo pull another stunt. It's also broken when two thirds of an episode are wasted on portraying a ridiculous show even if the point is to lay the groundwork for some social criticism (part of DitVB's theme is about how people deal with xenophobia and racism on one side and megalomania and elitism on the other). And he was most definitely using the wrong tools for it. It's like blaring Mozart's "Eine Kleine Nachtmusik" via megaphone horns. It's inappropriate.

The manga introduction was perfect, because it introduced both Akira and Mina very well, including a nice surprise moment which made the reader realize that his preconceptions about Akira which he immediately picked up were actually wrong. It established the bond between Akira and Mina, and it set the tone for the rest of the show. The anime introduction essentially skipped over Akira and then even fundamentally misconstrues Mina's "official" position (in the manga she tries her hardest NOT to come over as triumphant or even threatening towards humans - in the anime she is shown gleefully executing a monster and intimidating the viewers). And I fear that either they need to retract this change later on, leading to inconsistencies, or they will play along with it, and thus altering the story entirely.

And to round off my last, minor gripe: Again, they fail to ask a German how certain terms are pronounced. "Bund" (meaning covenant) rather sounds like "book", not like "hunt". At least they got "Tepes" right...

I suspect that ep2 will make or break it for me. Let's hope that the current source rape will end.
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Old 2010-01-08, 05:04   Link #312
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Eh i don't see how it doesn't work. It's just a more realistic way to begin such a series with it's theme of vampires living along side humans, and just because it wasn't dark or anything like the manga people turn it away. I'm along side people like Kaoru Chujo who would label this first episode as brilliant and unique.

Yes we're all allowed our own opinions, though i don't agree that the first episode 'didn't work'. It did just that, and set-up what's about to begin.
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Old 2010-01-08, 05:15   Link #313
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people say a lizard is a joke never truly read the manga or just a paedophile (not even one bit close to pedo bear) who looking for child porn in manga.

The TV show is very good just like a real TV show and i really cannot understand why people say it is boring. The coin dropping sound and what next function like an ice breaker in any good presentation which help shift the focus and clear the boring atmosphere . The host know how to bail when concerned also camera is good. As a TV shows there is no complaint and as a first episode of a anime series it sucks non-manga reader or even new anime watchers in a brilliant way.

The scene on the roof is nicely done. the camera focus and angle are smartly used. Music and sound are well mixed also.
Quality > quantity, you can have the anime go though all the manga chapter with shitty animation, camera, music and plot flow all you want but dont regret it later

10/10 (actually you can deduct 5 points for no naked loli)
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Old 2010-01-08, 05:18   Link #314
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The scene on the roof is nicely done. the camera focus and angle are smartly used. Music and sound are well mixed also.
Quality > quantity, you can have the anime go though all the manga chapter with shitty animation, camera, music and plot flow all you want but dont regret it later
The rooftop scene is very similar to a few past Akiyuki Shinbo shows, Soultaker and Tsukiyomi ~ Moon Phase ~, with the camera techniques and color usage. You should really check them out if you're thirsty for more like that.
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Old 2010-01-08, 05:26   Link #315
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Yes we're all allowed our own opinions, though i don't agree that the first episode 'didn't work'. It did just that, and set-up what's about to begin.
So how are you going to reconcile the fact that instead of having Mina try (and throughout the story, fighting hard) to work for a peaceful cohabitation between Humans and Vampires, we now have an arrogant ojou publicly executing a monster and intimidating/threatening the audience while she's at it? She's now doing exactly the opposite of what she's supposed to fight for later. Brutally put, I'd say that the director didn't understand the original story.

I'm not sure if I would have liked the episode more had I not known the original. But I can say for sure that this was not the manga I like.
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Old 2010-01-08, 05:27   Link #316
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Well, uniqueness is good, but as far as steady anime conversions go, you can't go more wrong than Shinbo and Shaft. I mean, all the series of theirs are cut up in short cours and are sometimes separated by years, not just seasons. The only steady conversion I can remember is maybe Pani Poni Dash. Maybe. Even that show had a few oddball OVAs coming out the woodworks.

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it reminds me of blazblue's racheal
True, though Rachel Alucard herself was made to be a stereotypical caricature herself. All the vampire girls are alike..
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Old 2010-01-08, 05:33   Link #317
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So how are you going to reconcile the fact that instead of having Mina try (and throughout the story, fighting hard) to work for a peaceful cohabitation between Humans and Vampires, we now have an arrogant ojou publicly executing a monster and intimidating/threatening the audience while she's at it? She's now doing exactly the opposite of what she's supposed to fight for later. Brutally put, I'd say that the director didn't understand the original story.
Simple answer to that, i shall await and see how Akiyuki Shinbo and SHAFT handle the rest of the adaptation.
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Old 2010-01-08, 05:49   Link #318
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Old 2010-01-08, 05:56   Link #319
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The rooftop scene is very similar to a few past Akiyuki Shinbo shows, Soultaker and Tsukiyomi ~ Moon Phase ~, with the camera techniques and color usage. You should really check them out if you're thirsty for more like that.
not really thirsty but i like how they make the scene. That how i prefer japanese movie or old american film over hollywood blockbuster, no overuse of fancy robot, big bang explosion or computer CG just simply the camera and director talent in editing make it awesome.
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Old 2010-01-08, 06:00   Link #320
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And to round off my last, minor gripe: Again, they fail to ask a German how certain terms are pronounced. "Bund" (meaning covenant) rather sounds like "book", not like "hunt". At least they got "Tepes" right...

I suspect that ep2 will make or break it for me. Let's hope that the current source rape will end.
Well, the original source messed up this up already, and I'm not sure you got it right either. It's written "Bando" (バンド) in katakana, which is basically the way an English speaking person would pronounce the German term, which should actually be said "Bundo" (ブンド). A German "u" is pronounced like a Japanese "u", so it puzzles me why the English would-be pronounciation is used instead.
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