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Old 2009-08-29, 21:46   Link #2001
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At the same time, with that scene with LD, there might be a possbility that the "man from 19 years ago" is fantasy element/only in Natushi's mind...
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Old 2009-08-30, 07:53   Link #2002
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New theory.

Spoiler for episode5 ending:
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Old 2009-08-30, 10:51   Link #2003
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Hello, I'm a lurker who's finally working up the courage to theorize with you guys!

In Episode 5 we are told flat out that we have enough information to solve the Epitaph, so I thought I'd take a crack at it. I hope this isn't the wrong thread?

Anyway, my theory is that the river in the puzzle is actually a train line! I thought of this theory since I was recently in Japan and noticed that there actually used to be a station named Ayukawa in Ibaraki (see here for a Japanese Wiki article). The train line might even be the Shinkansen, since it was running already in 1983 (which is when Kinzo made the puzzle IIRC).
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Does this make sense or has it been raised and dismissed already? ^^;
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Old 2009-08-30, 11:13   Link #2004
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Old 2009-08-30, 12:46   Link #2005
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Well I posted it in Ep4 threat, but just in case^^

Concerning Ep2:
I will summarise the red truth of the First Twilight:
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I think that we can throw away the scene in the chapel because we can suppose that Beatrice wasn't there in the first place. Personally, I think that:
Spoiler for Theories for the Second Game, from the First to the 5th Twilight.:

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Old 2009-08-30, 21:34   Link #2006
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Hello everyone, I'm another lurker who decided to post his thinking

I have another theory for the second game.

Spoiler for Umineko from game 2 to 4:


And that's about it. Just one last thing I would like to confirm on fifth game:

Spoiler for 5th game:

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Old 2009-08-31, 02:26   Link #2007
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Spoiler for Umineko from game 2 to 4:
Spoiler for Response:


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Spoiler for Umineko from game 2 to 4:
Spoiler for Ep3 Red Truth:


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Exactly, this is what I think to be the more plausible concerning Battler's death.

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And that's about it. Just one last thing I would like to confirm on fifth game:

Spoiler for 5th game:
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Old 2009-08-31, 07:53   Link #2008
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Spoiler for 5th game:
Spoiler for ep5:
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Old 2009-08-31, 18:50   Link #2009
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Spoiler for ep5:
Spoiler for Episode 5:
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Old 2009-08-31, 21:42   Link #2010
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Old 2009-09-01, 00:33   Link #2011
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I have a speculation, but which is based on the witches being actual witches, and delves into the motivation of one of them. Feel free to ignore it if you like. ^^;

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Old 2009-09-01, 05:25   Link #2012
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My theory abouot the baby:

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Old 2009-09-01, 07:17   Link #2013
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She was a middle schooler at that time!!! _ Considering it takes nine months to give birth to a child, you are suggesting that she got pregnant at 13!
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So Rosa was 14 around that time? So that means shes around 33, and Eva is 50.... damn shes 17 years younger than Eva.
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Old 2009-09-01, 07:50   Link #2015
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14 at max. Middle school in japan goes from 12 to 14. So she could have been 12 for what we know.

Well... actually I would exclude she was 12. Because Rosa says "about 20 years ago", and Rudolf replied "So when you were a middle schooler". This means that 20 years before (1966) Rosa was already a middle schooler. This means in 1967 she was at least on the second year.

Anyway there's a huge age difference between Rosa and Eva, while Eva and Krauss are only 2 years apart. Rudolf however should be 5-10 years younger than Krauss.
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Does anyone know the year they moved onto the island? And for that matter, the year Kinzo's wife died?
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Old 2009-09-01, 07:55   Link #2017
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Anyway there's a huge age difference between Rosa and Eva, while Eva and Krauss are only 2 years apart. Rudolf however should be 5-10 years younger than Krauss.
"0_o Wait, where was it stated Eva and Krauss are only two years apart?
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Old 2009-09-01, 08:00   Link #2018
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Kinzo's wife = 0 info

But the year they moved on the island is "about 30 years before". so 1956ca

It is stated that the Rokkenjima mansion was built in 1952, so they might have actually moved there between 1952 and 1956.

Also Kawabata in 1998 says that about 50 years before he started transporting goods to the Kuwadorian. This places the date at around 1948 which is even before the Mansion was built, hinting that the kuwadorian might be an even older construction which was there even before Kinzo purchased the whole island.

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You couldn't have said that Krauss, as my older brother by two years, tried at all to become deserving of the Ushiromiya family name, and his effort was pathetic compared to mine.
That happens when Eva reminisces the past where Krauss made that nice Tea-sugar and Women-education comparison.
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Old 2009-09-01, 08:16   Link #2019
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It must be 1952, because Eva-Beato was a high-schooler, and Eva would be in Highschool in 1952. So....

Eva was 16-17 when they moved to the Island
Krauss was 18-19
Rudolf was... 8-13?
Rosa was not born yet, or maybe just a newborn.

Natsuhi married Krauss when she was 16 I think I read, which was 30 years ago, so she moved onto the Island in 1956 probably.... I think. all these dates are way to confusing for some reason.
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Old 2009-09-01, 08:22   Link #2020
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Natsuhi being 16 when she married is a japanese wiki speculation, it was never confirmed. This hypothesis most probably comes from the fact that they tried to shrink as much as possible the age difference between Eva and Rosa (by laws 16 is the minimum required for a woman to marry).
Natsuhi was probably very young, but she's 5 years younger than Krauss, and I doubt Krauss married at 21 considering he had to attend university. My bet is that Natsuhi was 18.

Rudolf was confirmed to be still in elementary school when they moved to Rokkenjima, so 6-12 years old.

Eva being a high schooler is most probable, Rosa at that time wasn't born or had just been born as you said.
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