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Old 2009-07-22, 16:19   Link #781
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Hahaha, I was just joking ^^'
But if that were to be the truth it would probably be the perfect "USO DA!"
JAN-POO!! WHERE ARE YOU!!?
xDDDDDD

And anothe few theories

Kanon was said to be dead in Ep 2 but only "Kanon" which isn't his real name but just the pseudonym as furniture, which he himself said "He isn't furniture anymore" is dead. The real kanon is still alive (often combined with Jessica didn't die in the second twilight)
Kanon is just an Illusion created by Jessica (unlikely but popular)
Then there is that Beatrice could say Nanjo died in the meta world even if Nanjo is still alive but dies later (which is a supposed explanation for Kanon's death and reapearance in the second game and explanation for the third game)
Nanjo isn't the real Nanjo
Gohda isn't the real Gohda
Bern is a evil overlord
People enter Rokkenjima after the first twilight ( the limit of 17 people isn't hurt)
Kanon is totally innocent (said by many because he is kinda made way to suspicious)
Krauss never felt bad about treating Eva the way he did and Eva-B just made that up in her head
Kanon's soul appearance in Ep 3 was someone else the panicking Jessica just made Kanon out of him because she wished for that)
Kanon's soul appearance was compleatly in Jessica's head (hint: no touchy, hiding behind the curtains which was her hiding place as child)
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Old 2009-07-22, 16:25   Link #782
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Kanon is just an Illusion created by Jessica (unlikely but popular)
But didn't Kanon appear in front of Battler already?
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Old 2009-07-22, 16:26   Link #783
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Like I said unlikely. One tried to explain it with
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Jessica's illusion overlapped with a real person.
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Old 2009-07-22, 17:41   Link #784
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JAN-POO!! WHERE ARE YOU!!?
xDDDDDD
Woot?! _

Anyway I take this opportunity to remind my theory:

"Beatrice is a dormant volcano on Rokkenjima"

When it awakes everyone dies and then goes back to sleep. It explain the lack of seagulls, it explain the missing torii (tremor, or geiser, preannouncing the disaster), it explain why in ep3 the whole thing was considered an "unfortunate accident" and the police never even looked for a criminal. Ah it solves the final riddle of ep4 of course.
There are some downside in this theory, but let's focus on the list now in this thread, if you want to discuss let's do it in ep4 thread.
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Old 2009-07-22, 17:44   Link #785
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JAN-POO!! WHERE ARE YOU!!?
xDDDDDD
Woot?! _
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But if that were to be the truth it would probably be the perfect "USO DA!"
That's what I meant *gg*


Another theory is

"Beatrice is the storm/hurrican whatever"
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Old 2009-07-22, 17:49   Link #786
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"Beatrice is a dormant volcano on Rokkenjima"
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"Beatrice is the storm/hurrican whatever"
"At the third twillight, the surviving shall praise my honorable name on high."

I guess that would mean that everyone would have to praise a volcano/storm/hurricane/typhoon...^^;
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Old 2009-07-22, 17:53   Link #787
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Of course all hail fu*cking storm and thunder which is just annoying me since it is always storming when I watch Umineko (the week before last week and the week before that, geez)

back to the topic.
The murders aren't done by the hurrican/storm/volcano only the the last killings
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Old 2009-07-22, 18:09   Link #788
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The thing is, there was a real typhoon that was in that general region in October of 1986....Typhoon Carmen
Spoiler for Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Pa...typhoon_season
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Old 2009-07-22, 18:26   Link #789
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Typhoon Beatrice anyone?

Eva-Beatrice has stated that nothing external could cause the killings (To a point). But did that only apply for Ep. 3?
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Old 2009-07-22, 18:31   Link #790
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Eva-Beatrice has stated that nothing external could cause the killings (To a point). But did that only apply for Ep. 3?
I don't think anyone knows. So far, one of the only things we know applies to all games is that:
Spoiler for Revealed in Ep4:


@ Ithekro: That is an awesome find :O
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Old 2009-07-22, 18:56   Link #791
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Eh maybe Ryukishi did his homework well and he knew there was a typhoon on Japan on that very day.
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Old 2009-07-22, 19:01   Link #792
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Eh maybe Ryukishi did his homework well and he knew there was a typhoon on Japan on that very day.
Or maybe he remembered it, he is old enough. :3
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Old 2009-07-22, 19:45   Link #793
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Popular theories of Beatrice's identity: 「わたしはだぁれ?」

1. Bomb -> Ep1's endroll (corpse condition), Ep4's description of Kinzo's study.
2. Disaster -> Volcano, Typhoon. Similar idea to bomb.
3. Law -> Missing for at least a year or deemed dead by the police. "The Laws of Japan killed Battler."

Joke theory:
4. Another person with a giant long gun so that part of the gun is in Rokkenjima, while the person isn't. Doesn't contradict the "outside interference" issue.
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Old 2009-07-22, 19:48   Link #794
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Eh maybe Ryukishi did his homework well and he knew there was a typhoon on Japan on that very day.

Or maybe he remembered it, he is old enough. :3
Or maybe he's the killer....
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Old 2009-07-22, 20:31   Link #795
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If you're talking about crack theories, here's something originally from a friend.
Spoiler for The witch's gold and the epitaph. WARNING: CRACK:
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Old 2009-07-22, 20:39   Link #796
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2. Disaster -> Volcano, Typhoon. Similar idea to bomb.
Along those lines, I've been pushing for "landslide" (based on EP4's description of Rokkenjima in the future).
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Old 2009-07-22, 20:52   Link #797
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For some reason the whole storm/natural disaster theory just makes me think of 'Wizard of Oz' parallels.

Maria has really bright red shoes, too...
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Old 2009-07-22, 21:04   Link #798
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I read something on 4chan about how people remember the Battler from 6 years ago for being good at english, because Battler, Shannon, Jessica and George apparently talk about this on the beach during EP3 (I don't remember this, cvan anyone confirm?) But then at the Chapel in EP2, Battler says he's really bad at english.

So this lead me to think about, for the fake battler/real battler theory, what if how on different game boards, sometimes the 'real' battler shows up, while on others the 'fake' battler shows up. This is the first conference he has been back. I'm thinking EP2 and EP4 would have the fake Battler, while EP1 and EP3 would have the real one, or something similar.

Kind of like how Rika mentions that there are a few Kakera where Keiichi doesn't show up at all.

Though this all falls through if this stuff about Battler being good at english isn't true.
Here's a quote of what I read on 4chan:

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The biggest reason for suspicion I have of him is that the Battler of six years ago which everyone remembers was strongly identified with his use of English.

Shannon, Jessica, George and Suit-Beatrice all remember this.

Now, out of the characters we've been presented with, the only ones who use English are Ange and Amakusa; the Battler we know does it precisely once during the conversation they're having about the past (on the beach in episode 3 when they're talking about Battler's use of English) and then you never see it again.

Compounding this is another point raised by a perceptive anon, who recalled that during the Chapel murders in Ep. 2, Battler actually says that he's terrible at English.
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Old 2009-07-22, 21:06   Link #799
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Ahh, if Beatrice is a typhoon mabye the stakes are just random debris killing people. That explains how the stakes got driven into peolpe's heads with the huge wind force.
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Old 2009-07-22, 21:23   Link #800
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Ahh, if Beatrice is a typhoon mabye the stakes are just random debris killing people. That explains how the stakes got driven into peolpe's heads with the huge wind force.
You mean debris got shot into people's heads, while they were inside the mansion and not outside O_o? That sounds really odd. As far as debris goes, what debris? Where would it come from?
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