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Old 2010-07-05, 12:01   Link #12901
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I just remembered the thing about Jessica locking her door when leaving for school, so Krauss doesn't go there... Maybe there is something that reveals Jessica's true identity? So maybe only Natsuhi knows...

It really would be a most queer story... As Jessica would be gay for an imaginary friend.
Unless their whole love story was fake as well.
Well, if it's a mother-daughter thing, we can assume Jessica likes to be a tomboy? Even if Jessica's true identity was being male, would it influence the story as much? (Kanon goes heartbroken, thus the Motive, after finding out his lover was a boy after 2 - 3 years?!)
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:05   Link #12902
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I just remembered the thing about Jessica locking her door when leaving for school, so Krauss doesn't go there... Maybe there is something that reveals Jessica's true identity? So maybe only Natsuhi knows...
Well... like what? For that matter, what exactly would Jessica want to conceal specifically from her father, who doesn't even seem to care that much about her, or at least, keeps a respectful distance? Porn magazines in her room? Spare breast pads? A sex toy?

No, really, what? My only good guess is a diary, everything else seems highly silly.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:06   Link #12903
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Completely late here, but...

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Okay in case someone missed it:



There is no doubt that Wright exists in this fictional universe, and there is no doubt that s/he uses 20 rules.

What we can debate is if this wright will actually appear in the story, if Beatrice's games are subjected to these rules, but most importantly if the rules are exactly as the original van dine rules.

Considering the Knox rules aren't, I highly doubt that should the van dine rules be mentioned in this story they would be left untouched.
I'm completely lost here, with so many posts, but...
(Maybe someone posted this already, so many posts...)
If I remember, someone found on the game code some lines referring to a certain 'LIGHT' (character?)

Ok, let's see se original game text for Doranoru's アイゼルネ・ユングフラウ (Eisern Jungfraun?):

華々しい実績が多く、全執行機関の中でも非常に知名度が高い。
他に知名度が高い執行機関では、第八管区の"SSVD"が有名。
主席で二十の楔の異名を持つ"魔術師狩りのライト"は、ドラノール以上の実力を持つと噂されて いる。

Wright, in the original text is ライト (ra-i-to), that is also the japanese reading for 'light' (Death Note anyone?).

So, my obvious guess is that the new guy is from that other agency of Doranoru's organization, or whatever, and the girl is his helper. A new elite squad to hunt down Battler (the wizard), just like Doranoru first appeared to help Erika finish Beatrice...

Really, was this already discussed here to death? (640 pages)
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:08   Link #12904
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S/he looks like a combination of Jessica, (Beatrice?,) Shannon, Kanon, Krauss and Natsuhi by current notions. So it is Jessikraushkanonnatsutrice.

It was stated in red that because of Battler's sin a lot of people die on Rokkenjima. Everyone dies. No-one escapes. Doesn't necessarily mean everyone's death is because of Battler's sin, but many anyway.

I'm under the impression that different variations of the pony theory (that is the one with <see you again> and the lot right?) is the most populat theory of Battler's sin nowadays.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:11   Link #12905
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I still disagree. Why go through the trouble of identifying them as humans they are clearly not humans? After all Erika is the 18th person. It is impossible for Jessica to have a chest at the age of 12, Hello? Puberty. Six years is a long time. DIE THE DEATH

Shannon's ring does not exist. Gaap is a beyblade. Gohda is a magical chef. Kanon is colorblind. Natsuhi was raised by the Headache family. I am a uncreative idiot.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:14   Link #12906
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Completely late here, but...



I'm completely lost here, with so many posts, but...
(Maybe someone posted this already, so many posts...)
If I remember, someone found on the game code some lines referring to a certain 'LIGHT' (character?)

Ok, let's see se original game text for Doranoru's アイゼルネ・ユングフラウ (Eisern Jungfraun?):

華々しい実績が多く、全執行機関の中でも非常に知名度が高い。
他に知名度が高い執行機関では、第八管区の"SSVD"が有名。
主席で二十の楔の異名を持つ"魔術師狩りのライト"は、ドラノール以上の実力を持つと噂されて いる。

Wright, in the original text is ライト (ra-i-to), that is also the japanese reading for 'light' (Death Note anyone?).
In the code you can find "LIG" as a 3 letter code for an unknown character's "tachi" and "ライト" in the description.

So unless this is some kind of obscure troll towards the code lurkers then a character by the name of "ライト" should be expected to appear in the story.

the code also shows that "LIG"'s character TIPS are meant to appear among the magic characters.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:15   Link #12907
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I still disagree. Why go through the trouble of identifying them as humans they are clearly not humans? After all Erika is the 18th person. It is impossible for Jessica to have a chest at the age of 12, Hello? Puberty. Six years is a long time. DIE THE DEATH

Shannon's ring does not exist. Gaap is a beyblade. Gohda is a magical chef. Kanon is colorblind. Natsuhi was raised by the Headache family. I am a uncreative idiot.
*dot dot dot*

Although, the fact of George's proposal to Shannon may be a huge hint to something. The presentation of the ring only helped confirmed the 'corpse' in EP1, but did it exactly do anything else? Maybe an alibi for the 'happy couple'?

These thoughts on the 'fake love' makes me rethink on the relationships of all the family members. Maybe Kanon didn't even like Jessica (which is why he is so emo!) Maybe they all hate each other! Maybe Jessica is just an obsessive person!
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:17   Link #12908
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I think most people agree that this new character is ライト.

Well, we know that the original 10 commandments of Knox do not exactly match what we have in Umineko. If Van Dine's 20 rules come into play it will probably not be without modification. Of course, this is all just speculation.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:35   Link #12909
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I still disagree. Why go through the trouble of identifying them as humans they are clearly not humans? After all Erika is the 18th person. It is impossible for Jessica to have a chest at the age of 12, Hello? Puberty. Six years is a long time. DIE THE DEATH
While there's very little question the gentleman in blue (colors of Heaven if the Jungfrau are any indication), with yellow eyes (also a trait of Dlanor) and obviously male (which Wright would probably have to be) is not human and is the "Raito" discovered in the code back in Ep6, the other character, of undetermined gender but having all the attributes of an Ushiromiya family member up to and including the head ring is not quite so clear cut.

P.S. It is generally considered not a nice thing in this thread to use red when you are not quoting something that is already red in the original text.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:35   Link #12910
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*dot dot dot*

Although, the fact of George's proposal to Shannon may be a huge hint to something. The presentation of the ring only helped confirmed the 'corpse' in EP1, but did it exactly do anything else? Maybe an alibi for the 'happy couple'?

These thoughts on the 'fake love' makes me rethink on the relationships of all the family members. Maybe Kanon didn't even like Jessica (which is why he is so emo!) Maybe they all hate each other! Maybe Jessica is just an obsessive person!
No way! I doubt that.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:41   Link #12911
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There is probably at least one romance which is either fake or one-sided. Jessica's opinions on certain relationships could also simply be wrong, and the people she thinks are hooked up could be manipulating her into thinking that. For instance, if one (or both) of George or Shannon is just using it as a cover or distraction.

Of course, since it's kept largely secret in either case except from the cousins, and George and Shannon never really explain where they're going when they sneak off, that sort of charade doesn't appear very useful, unless it's to directly mislead the other person. If, for example, Shannon is stringing George along, letting him think what he wants to think about her, and securing his cooperation for whatever end, it becomes useful. Where it doesn't appear to help anyone is if they're both in on it, because then nobody knows or cares what they're doing anyway and they could just duck into an unused room for a minute to chat about their plans.

And the Jessica/Kanon relationship barely ever comes up, though since it conspicuously comes up in Battler's presence, that one could be argued to be intentionally presented for Battler's notice.

But something is definitely up with that stuff.
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While there's very little question the gentleman in blue (colors of Heaven if the Jungfrau are any indication), with yellow eyes (also a trait of Dlanor) and obviously male (which Wright would probably have to be) is not human and is the "Raito" discovered in the code back in Ep6, the other character, of undetermined gender but having all the attributes of an Ushiromiya family member up to and including the head ring is not quite so clear cut.
There's just one confusing thing about that man if he's indeed wright.

Will he be considered an eiserne jungfrau?!
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:44   Link #12913
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My personal theory - if the guy is Van Dine and there will be Dine rules, Bern will use them to modify the gameboard rather than place restrictions/guidelines on the mystery (which is what Knox did). A lot of Van Dine's rules were broken already, but if Bern wants to write up a harsh reality she'll modify the game to fit the Dine rules.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:45   Link #12914
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I think he's a member of a different, but similar division, or a superior within the same division that includes the Jungfrau.

Presumably, they served under Knox, then under Dlanor as his successor. Wright would then be like some kind of other division head of equal rank to Dlanor, or maybe one of her superiors.

Dlanor isn't the top of the pyramid in Heaven, she makes that pretty clear, she just happens to have some subordinates.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:46   Link #12915
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No way! I doubt that.
You have all the reasons to. If the entirety of their love stories is fake, this is... well, it's close to turning the entire text into a blank piece of paper because of constantly repeating "without love it cannot be seen". Without love, there's precious little left to see.

But some misrepresentation of either love story is definitely not out of the question. Starting with Shannon's ring, which apparently suffers a Total Spontaneous Existence Failure the moment she gets hold of it, and ending with Kanon himself, who apparently has a similar problem with existing in the first place.

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Of course, since it's kept largely secret in either case except from the cousins, and George and Shannon never really explain where they're going when they sneak off, that sort of charade doesn't appear very useful, unless it's to directly mislead the other person.
I wonder, if there's anything specifically useful for any of the plots that needs to be done in the time range between 22:00 and 24:00 when they usually sneak off...

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There's just one confusing thing about that man if he's indeed wright.

Will he be considered and eiserne jungfrau?!
No, he'll be Iron Man. Expect a powered armour suit hidden in a closet.
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Old 2010-07-05, 12:47   Link #12916
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Will he be considered an eiserne jungfrau?!
Well, it's also term for virgins...so it would be alright if he were one but still rather strange.
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Oookay then his personal BGM will be a certain Black Sabbath song.

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Well, it's also term for virgins...so it would be alright if he were one but still rather strange.
really? Isn't it specific for female virgins?
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There's just one confusing thing about that man if he's indeed wright.

Will he be considered an eiserne jungfrau?!
From Conrnelia's TIPS:
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Her first choice had been Jurisdiction Eight, the SSVD.
They were an elite band of Witch Hunters under the command of Wizard Hunting Wright, known for rigid efficiency.
If that wasn't possible, her second choice would have been Jurisdiction Seven, the Eiserne Jungfrau.
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really? Isn't it specific for female virgins?
Nope, we only have one word for it and that's "Jungfrau".
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