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Old 2010-07-06, 02:16   Link #13061
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Spoiler for Kanon-Maria Culprit Theory, EP6 spoilers!:


Sort of stupid, but on to the point.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:16   Link #13062
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Asumu is the enemy of all mysteries. She is essentially a 'capable of anything' jealous character that you wouldn't be able to put past anything past because we know absolutely nothing about her.

That may get cleared up in episode 7 true. But I want to believe the culprit is male this time. Two crazy witches in a row is just not a good record. I'll be calling Ryukishi a misogynist when that day arrives.
I sort of agree with this, which is why I push for the George Mastermind Theory more than anything else. He's the best-suited male for the culprit's position, in my opinion.
I'm still convinced Asumu is dead. Sure, there's no red regarding her death, but I don't see much point in her being alive solely to be the culprit. Ryuukishi's written that Asumu is dead. Bringing her up after saying that is pretty poor storytelling, unless there are clues to her being alive, which I seem to have missed.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:19   Link #13063
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Anyway, I'm bored, so I'm going to do what I do best: over-analyze the new opening! If it's already been done, well, here's my opinion on it.
Spoiler for Long speculation is long...:
Spoiler for ep7 screenshots:
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:21   Link #13064
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Prepare to be upset! He likes his crazy witches. Bernkastel, Lambdadelta, and Beatrice. Come to think of it, he is 2/2 on male protagonists isn't he?
I was using "crazy witch" as a less derogatory term for what Takano is. Really I was just trying to be funny there.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:23   Link #13065
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I don't know about you guys, but this video IS THE ULTIMATE THEORY.

The GoldSmith Theory.
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEOy4zEVFoU
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:28   Link #13066
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I don't know about you guys, but this video IS THE ULTIMATE THEORY.

The GoldSmith Theory.
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEOy4zEVFoU
That is the umineko equivalent of Rick-Rollin'.

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I was using "crazy witch" as a less derogatory term for what Takano is. Really I was just trying to be funny there.
I thought so, but I wasn't sure. In all likelihood, we have another crazy woman killing people.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:30   Link #13067
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That is the umineko equivalent of Rick-Rollin'.
Oh, is that so? Crack thoery #3:-THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT KINZO SENT HIS NINJA FURNITURE TO KILL EVERYONE THEN THEMSELVES
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:32   Link #13068
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Oh, is that so? Crack thoery #3:-THAT DOES NOT CHANGEbTHE FACT THAT KINZO SENT HIS NINJA FURNITURE TO KILL EVERYONE THEN THEMSELVES
Oh yea? I have argued that Kinzo is alive during the games on more than one occasion. Your move.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:33   Link #13069
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Anyway, I'm bored, so I'm going to do what I do best: over-analyze the new opening! If it's already been done, well, here's my opinion on it.
Spoiler for Long speculation is long...:
I absolutely swear that it looks like there are guys in suits shooting machine guns at 0:48-0:49 in the video. Not many people responded when I posted that though. I really think that's a hint toward some 1998 yakuza action
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:35   Link #13070
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Just a completely random thought I just had.
Could the blackened portrait possibly be the one of Virgilia that appeared for a split second in the OP for Ep5-6?
It does seem kind of weird to hint at a portrait and never actually show it.

I would provide pictures but my internet sucks completely at the moment
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:35   Link #13071
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I absolutely swear that it looks like there are guys in suits shooting machine guns at 0:48-0:49. Not many people responded when I posted that though. I really think that's a hint toward some 1998 yakuza action
I can see that a little, but it also looks like goatmen covered by golden butterflies a little.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:35   Link #13072
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Oh yea? I have argued that Kinzo is alive during the games on more than one occasion. Your move.
You dare mock me? Allow me to turn the chessboard this time.
[*] Kinzo is dead from the beginning of every game.

[*] Therefore, he begged his top three to the job for him on his deathbed.

That's a checkmate!
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:37   Link #13073
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Spoiler for ep7 screenshots:
Not quite. She's shown asking Person X to weave a story "fitting for Beato's funeral." That doesn't indicate her death. Heck, in Episode 5, Erika seemed perfectly ready to go along with her theory and kill off Beato completely in her Episode 6. Then Battler decided to stop being such an idiot and did something about it.
What I think will happen is that in this game, whoever's writing the story will be doing their best to kill off Beato, but Battler's going to have to pull something like Erika's trick in Episode 6 to get around that and manipulate the story to his desires.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:39   Link #13074
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You dare mock me? Allow me to turn the chessboard this time.
[*] Kinzo is dead from the beginning of every game.

[*] Therefore, he begged his top three to the job for him on his deathbed.

That's a checkmate!
Kinzo is dead... But what about Goldsmith?!?!?!

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Not quite. She's shown asking Person X to weave a story "fitting for Beato's funeral." That doesn't indicate her death. Heck, in Episode 5, Erika seemed perfectly ready to go along with her theory and kill off Beato completely in her Episode 6. Then Battler decided to stop being such an idiot and did something about it.
What I think will happen is that in this game, whoever's writing the story will be doing their best to kill off Beato, but Battler's going to have to pull something like Erika's trick in Episode 6 to get around that and manipulate the story to his desires.
I would take that as they are at the funeral, but I guess we got different things from it. Also, there is that part of the OP where Battler and Virgilia are standing in front of a coffin. Given I don't have any evidence that it is Beato, we know who it could be.
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Just a completely random thought I just had.
Could the blackened portrait possibly be the one of Virgilia that appeared for a split second in the OP for Ep5-6?
It does seem kind of weird to hint at a portrait and never actually show it.

I would provide pictures but my internet sucks completely at the moment
The portrait in the EP 5 opening is actually from the box art.

Spoiler for space:

It's just close up so you couldn't tell.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:41   Link #13076
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Not quite. She's shown asking Person X to weave a story "fitting for Beato's funeral." That doesn't indicate her death. Heck, in Episode 5, Erika seemed perfectly ready to go along with her theory and kill off Beato completely in her Episode 6. Then Battler decided to stop being such an idiot and did something about it.
What I think will happen is that in this game, whoever's writing the story will be doing their best to kill off Beato, but Battler's going to have to pull something like Erika's trick in Episode 6 to get around that and manipulate the story to his desires.
Maybe she meant her "death" in EP4.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:43   Link #13077
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Maybe she meant her "death" in EP4.
But she didn't die in Episode 4. Battler was still an incompetent idiot back then, so he couldn't unravel her mysteries and put her properly to rest. That's why she was comatose for all of Episode 5.
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Kinzo is dead... But what about Goldsmith?!?!?!
Magic doesn't exist. I live by that as an anti-fantasy. There is no way for Goldsmith to exist unless everyone in the mansion is hallucinating. Therefore, Everyone was drunk! Even Kanon and Maria, the minors!
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But she didn't die in Episode 4. Battler was still an incompetent idiot back then, so he couldn't unravel her mysteries and put her properly to rest. That's why she was comatose for all of Episode 5.
I always point out Bern's "she's a Doll like Corpse line" to show she died in EP 4. She basically said the only reason she exists right now is because of Lambda's shackle rule. And that that prevented her from leaving the game. I'm not going to pull up the quote again and again just to show that. I really just think she's dead by EP4, but that's just me.
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Old 2010-07-06, 02:49   Link #13080
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But she didn't die in Episode 4. Battler was still an incompetent idiot back then, so he couldn't unravel her mysteries and put her properly to rest. That's why she was comatose for all of Episode 5.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot. Maybe she meant Beato's death in EP5?

Yes, I'm trying to mess with you like a good incompetent anti-fantasy.
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