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Old 2010-07-09, 11:16   Link #13521
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I know.I'm just saying it's sorta the same idea. The truth is, I needed to make some theory that actually makes sense to my simple fried brain. Anyway, moving on, who thinks Shannon is more evil then we think she is?
I think most of us do
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Old 2010-07-09, 11:19   Link #13522
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Old 2010-07-09, 11:20   Link #13523
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I think most of us do
If Dine is in the next episode, we won't.
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Old 2010-07-09, 11:43   Link #13524
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If Dine is in the next episode, we won't.
Well, Shannon is a rather popular suspect, but if Van Dine is in the next Episode then she at least cannot be the culprit because the servants cannot be the murderers.

Does it say anything about accomplices, though?
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Old 2010-07-09, 11:46   Link #13525
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Well, Shannon is a rather popular suspect, but if Van Dine is in the next Episode then she at least cannot be the culprit because the servants cannot be the murderers.

Does it say anything about accomplices, though?
He refers to accomplices as 'co-culprits' so I am not certain.
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Old 2010-07-09, 11:54   Link #13526
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He refers to accomplices as 'co-culprits' so I am not certain.
Well, I'm pretty sure Nanjo HAS to be in on some of the crimes. Not by actually killing anyone, but lying about the diagnosis. Or else Nanjo is dangerously incompetent and should not be a doctor.

Even though he is only a general practitioner, he did have to go through medical school and I'm sure he learned how to take a heartbeat there.

If Nanjo is completely innocent, then Kanon can't be EP1's culprit and Jessica certainly cannot be EP2's culprit.
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Old 2010-07-09, 11:57   Link #13527
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well, i'm pretty sure nanjo has to be in on some of the crimes. Not by actually killing anyone, but lying about the diagnosis. Or else nanjo is dangerously incompetent and should not be a doctor.

even though he is only a general practitioner, he did have to go through medical school and i'm sure he learned how to take a heartbeat there.

If nanjo is completely innocent, then kanon can't be ep1's culprit and jessica certainly cannot be ep2's culprit.
doctors are evil
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Old 2010-07-09, 12:02   Link #13528
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Well, I'm pretty sure Nanjo HAS to be in on some of the crimes. Not by actually killing anyone, but lying about the diagnosis. Or else Nanjo is dangerously incompetent and should not be a doctor.

Even though he is only a general practitioner, he did have to go through medical school and I'm sure he learned how to take a heartbeat there.

If Nanjo is completely innocent, then Kanon can't be EP1's culprit and Jessica certainly cannot be EP2's culprit.
Nanjo is not a servant, though. Nanjo is more of a guest.
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Old 2010-07-09, 12:04   Link #13529
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What Dine has to say about culprits cleverly disguising as servants while they actually aren't?
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Nanjo is not a servant, though. Nanjo is more of a guest.
I think inverted. HE KILLED KANON IN EP1

AND JESSICA IN EP2
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Old 2010-07-09, 12:08   Link #13531
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What Dine has to say about culprits cleverly disguising as servants while they actually aren't?
I don't think Dine has anything to say about disguises, at all.
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Old 2010-07-09, 12:18   Link #13532
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I don't think Dine has anything to say about disguises, at all.
Knox rules, I think, don't allow them.
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Old 2010-07-09, 12:22   Link #13533
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Knox rules, I think, don't allow them.
As with the Knox Rules, disguises cannot be used without sufficient foreshadowing or hints given beforehand.
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Old 2010-07-09, 12:22   Link #13534
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Unless they are hinted, and Shannon/kanon are definitely suspicious. Since they have been called "furniture" several times, and since it's been revealed that "furnitures" are fake imaginary characters, that could work as a hint that the "servant Shannon" or the "servant Kanon" are just cover up.
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Old 2010-07-09, 12:32   Link #13535
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Unless they are hinted, and Shannon/kanon are definitely suspicious. Since they have been called "furniture" several times, and since it's been revealed that "furnitures" are fake imaginary characters, that could work as a hint that the "servant Shannon" or the "servant Kanon" are just cover up.
Then Kinzo is a pedo?
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Old 2010-07-09, 12:36   Link #13536
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Nanjo is not a servant, though. Nanjo is more of a guest.
Infact Gaap in not the standard servant of the witch.. Goldmith made a contract with her, just like Nanjo with Kinzo.

If Nanjo = Gaap is true, the relationship are quite close. And it would be at least an accomplice, even if not a direct servant like Shanon and Kanon.

In this case we do assume that:

- Ronove e Virgilia have been summoned under Beatrice contract.
- Gaap have been summoned under Goldsmith contract.

So, we have 2 types of contract... so 2 MASTERS that controls the demons... Only one in reality , since Kinzo/Goldsmith is dead.
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Infact Gaap in not the standard servant of the witch.. Goldmith made a contract with her, just like Nanjo with Kinzo.

If Nanjo = Gaap is true, the relationship are quite close. And it would be at least an accomplice, even if not a direct servant like Shanon and Kanon.

In this case we do assume that:

- Ronove e Virgilia have been summoned under Beatrice contract.
- Gaap have been summoned under Goldsmith contract.

So, we have 2 types of contract... so 2 MASTERS that controls the demons... Only one in reality , since Kinzo/Goldsmith is dead.
And how? I really don't get the 'Nanjo Gaap' thing. To me, Gaap is Maria's Rose.
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Old 2010-07-09, 13:09   Link #13538
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When Nanjo represents a magical character close to Kinzo, .... uhm... NANJOTRICE
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when nanjo represents a magical character close to kinzo, .... Uhm... Nanjotrice
nanjo-itrice lives

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Old 2010-07-09, 13:10   Link #13540
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Gaap could be a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle for all I care. I think she is the least relevant thing in Umineko. The scorpion charm is more relevant than Gaap. The boat that brought Battler to Rokkenjima is more important than Gaap. The cloud in the background when Battler was boarding that one plane is in fact more relevant than Gaap.
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