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Old 2009-08-15, 19:13   Link #1541
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Didn't Ange did something very similar in EP4?
Somewhat. Most of it still rested on Battler's shoulders (i.e: Tea party). Ange is related to Battler and her last words was what compelled Battler to try harder. Erika, on the other hand...

BTW, could someone tell me how Kanon/Shannon reacted to Jessica/George's death?

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...They're reading it to get SPOILERS.
...and speculations. XD
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:15   Link #1542
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Bet Kanon just started to cry with "uu" sounds again *gg*

But I think June is right, we should stop discussing your dislike for Erika here.
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:18   Link #1543
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Bet Kanon just started to cry with "uu" sounds again *gg*

But I think June is right, we should stop discussing your dislike for Erika here.
I think a thread should be made just for her...

I like teary Kanon. It's just about the only other emotion other than rage and envy...
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:20   Link #1544
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Ange had setup the previous episode, and Battler has mentioned her on and off.
Yes, we knew Ange existed, but she was 6 years old and she was ill. She was never part of the mystery. Yet, she magically went back in time to help Battler solve it. Back in EP3 she came out of nowhere.

Anyway, unlike Ange, Erika is completely fake it hurts. I really don't understand how can people take her character seriously.
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:21   Link #1545
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Anyway, unlike Ange, Erika is completely fake it hurts. I really don't understand how can people take her character seriously.
What, like, fake as in the Anti-Fantasy "she isn't real so she doesn't matter" sense or fake as in the "huge, evil troll" sense?

Please clarify.
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:22   Link #1546
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:23   Link #1547
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What, like, fake as in the Anti-Fantasy "she isn't real so she doesn't matter" sense or fake as in the "huge, evil troll" sense?
Both, come on, this is an obvious troll from Bern and/or Lambda.

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Old 2009-08-15, 19:23   Link #1548
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I think in the "obvious troll meant to distract you" sense. She comes in looking like a hoity-toity Mary Sue jerkass who breaks all the rules and turns the story to crap.

Well... maybe that's part of the plan? After all, the line between a very good writer and a very bad one can be quite thin at times. But we've seen four episodes of very good writing so far... so it seems unlikely that an amateurish twist like this would be REAL.
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:23   Link #1549
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You too.

Clarify.

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Both, come on, this is an obvious troll from Bern and/or Lambda.
I'm still seeing it as Ryukishi trying to turn Rika into the protagonist again.

But if she is, GOOD.

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I think in the "obvious troll meant to distract you" sense. She comes in looking like a hoity-toity Mary Sue jerkass who breaks all the rules and turns the story to crap.
Then what's the point of even playing Ep5 if it doesn't matter as far as the narrative goes...?
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:25   Link #1550
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:26   Link #1551
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"completed" means he can use both Red and Blue text
He could do that already.

Tell us the ending.

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Old 2009-08-15, 19:29   Link #1552
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I'm still seeing it as Ryukishi trying to turn Rika into the protagonist again.
Why would he do that? He did that in Higurashi because Rika was a character there, and it was obvious she knew something the others didn't from almost the beginning.

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it doesn't matter as far as the narrative goes...?
And you've just noticed this? The narrative in Umineko is rubbish. There are very few things you can trust. That's the way you roll in this game.

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Oh! I see. Thank you for explaining.
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:29   Link #1553
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What happens in the end??
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:29   Link #1554
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He could do that already.

Tell us the ending.

>_>
Basically it's a all out brawl against Erika
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:29   Link #1555
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people seem to fail to realise that if Battler defends Beato, it would be the same as spitting on Ange's grave.

He probably just gave his last thanks to his opponent in that (chapel?) scene. Nothing more, nothing less.

And the Erika hate is getting riddiculous. And didn't Ryukishi mention that the gameboard will now be filled with meaningless scribbling from LD, Bern and (maybe Beato and Battler in their previous fights)
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:30   Link #1556
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Then what's the point of even playing Ep5 if it doesn't matter as far as the narrative goes...?
There must be some reason that people who have "penetrated to the core of the mystery" will be able to glean from all of it while others are distracted. He said so himself. I don't know what it is yet, of course.
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:31   Link #1557
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So....... do those BeatoxBattler scenes that are in the OP never happen..... or something? O_O;
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:31   Link #1558
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people seem to fail to realise that if Battler defends Beato, it would be the same as spitting on Ange's grave.

He probably just gave his last thanks to his opponent in that (chapel?) scene. Nothing more, nothing less.

And the Erika hate is getting riddiculous. And didn't Ryukishi mention that the gameboard will now be filled with meaningless scribbling from LD, Bern and (maybe Beato and Battler in their previous fights)
Amen to that.

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So....... do those BeatoxBattler scenes that are in the OP never happen..... or something? O_O;
We're not 100% sure that it's BeatoxBattler to begin with...XD
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:32   Link #1559
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Why would he do that? He did that in Higurashi because Rika was a character there, and it was obvious she knew something the others didn't from almost the beginning.
Yes, but, still...

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And you've just noticed this? The narrative in Umineko is rubbish. There are very few things you can trust. That's the way you roll in this game.
Maybe I should wear a huge "ANTI-MYSTERY" tag in my sig or something...

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Basically it's a all out brawl against Erika
So...

Spoiler for query:
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Old 2009-08-15, 19:32   Link #1560
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people seem to fail to realise that if Battler defends Beato, it would be the same as spitting on Ange's grave.

He probably just gave his last thanks to his opponent in that (chapel?) scene. Nothing more, nothing less.

And the Erika hate is getting riddiculous. And didn't Ryukishi mention that the gameboard will now be filled with meaningless scribbling from LD, Bern and (maybe Beato and Battler in their previous fights)
Thirded, Blitz1/2!
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