AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Current Series > One Piece

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2009-07-16, 13:03   Link #101
Terrestrial Dream
勇者
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tesla Leicht Institute
Age: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by AddiKtioNn-BlaCk View Post
Wow. Having you been reading the manga??
I mean like really...
You should know that's how the marines operate...
ABSOLUTE JUSTICE
They put a 79 million beri bounty on Robin's head when she was only 8 years old..
For what? Just for being related to the Scholars of Ohara...
You think they wouldn't have done the same thing to Ace?
The more it sinks in that Ace is Roger's son... the more I start to like it...
I think people (including myself) just got the wrong idea....
Simply because Ace and Luffy call themselves brothers...
If we look back on it, there was never any proof that Ace and Luffy were blood related...
We just misinterpreted

--- At first nobody was sure if they were blood-related until Ace and Garp talked in Impel Down. When Ace said he kept the name Portgas because of a favor he owned to his mother. With thought, "BAM! That's why his name isn't Monkey D. Ace", and we assumed he was talking about Dragon, even though Dragon's name never came out of his mouth or Garp's. I mean they even changed the name to Monkey D. Ace the One Piece Wikipedia site.

Man Oda has solidified his position (in my opinion) as the best of the top 3 manga...
There's no way we could have seen this coming...
And its completely our fault...
Oda is really good storyteller
Yep, most assumed the fact that Dragon was his father and Luffy and Ace are brothers as a result. But the fact that is it was never told that those two were blood related.
Also read chapter 525, the conversation with Garp and Ace has some implication of this event. One such implication is debt he owed to his mother, which probably is his mom carrying for 20months. None of this feels random or thought of just last week the clues are there it is just that people's assumption over long period time lead to believing it was a fact .
__________________
Terrestrial Dream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 13:23   Link #102
Phenomenal
Banned
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Send a message via AIM to Phenomenal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aiddon View Post
THANK YOU! I'm relieved to see people are willing to keep their love of a series in check once questionable plot points come up and can look at things critically..
Those are called TRUE fans, the others are called fanboys/fangirls.

Last edited by Phenomenal; 2009-07-16 at 14:40.
Phenomenal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 13:27   Link #103
Rainbowman
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: 1431 Highland Drive
Quote:
Originally Posted by marvelB View Post
Anyways, a few more pics came out, but they're quite blurry. One of them shows the Usopp ministory (which involves him partying with Hercules, as was mentioned the summary), another has the silhouette of Rouge (again, it's a bit hard to judge from the blurry pic, but her hair seems.... kinda puffy). Another pic shows the 5 Shichibukai all gathered together. Hancock seems to be wearing a new outfit, and Moria is looking particularly badass. Heh, rather unfortunate that the last 2 guys decided to betray the government at the last minute......
Don't you mean "last 3 guys"? You only mentioned Hancock and Moria. That leaves Mihawk, Doflamingo, and Kuma to betray the government.
Rainbowman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 13:46   Link #104
Rawrz
Redbeard Has Blood Logia!
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Go Akainu! Use RAZOR LEAVES!




























AND SENBONZAKURA
Rawrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 14:17   Link #105
AddiKtioNn-BlaCk
Is Your Daddy & Its True
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: In the Sky with the Birds
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Small One View Post
Somehow I still don't get the whole name thing: From all we know now, Ace never met his mother and he never met his father. So why should he feel more indebted to his mother? And what was his name, before he changed it to the name of his mother? It can't possibly be Gol D., since then there wouldn't be a secret in the first place.
And why does he even know about his heritage, if Garp was the one raising him? He didn't tell Luffy about his father, so why did he tell Ace, even if this knowledge is even more dangerous?
Don't know about you but if my mom sacrificed her life to bring me into the world safely I would feel indebted.

Who knows why Ace knows, Garp probably told him.
People from Luffy hometown seems to pretty much support (or at least like) "good" pirates such as Luffy, Shanks, and so on. They probably knew and respected Garp's wishes not tell anyone.
And another thing we still don't know too much about this "friend" who he left Ace and Luffy's care in.
__________________



'̿ ̿ ̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\з=(̪●)=ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿ '̿
Weed, there is nothing wrong with it.. Seriously what's so bad about it? Smoking weed and eating out your fridge and laughing at the simple things? Or getting in fights and causing injury and accidents. Beer is the destruction of this nation, Herb is the healer! Don't listen, make your own choices!
AddiKtioNn-BlaCk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 14:36   Link #106
marvelB
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hisoka?? View Post
I'm waiting for a scene where opponents take the chance to poison zoro's sword handle on some busy street. then later when they challenge him to a fight, he just keels over and dies


Nah, Zoro would just bleed about 10 gallons of blood and shrug it off afterwards, even if the poison in question were Magellan's special blend of of goo.



Anyways, awesome chapter. Y'know, I think I may be the only one to point out this detail, but I thought it was pretty cool that we actually see vice admiral John Giant's eyes this chapter (in all of his other appearances his eyes are usually closed). Those other giant marines guarding Ace's platform looked pretty cool too (especially the dude with the Boba Fett mask). I wonder if those guys are also VAs....?



And yeah, I noticed that there were some people who pointed out the possibility of Akainu being a plant Logia. Well.... at least I'd prefer that to a magma fruit (I even said that I wanted to see a plant-based power in the Logia discussion thread), but I still wish he were a Zoan or Paramecia user instead, just so he can break the trend that the other two admirals follow. Also, I wonder why we just saw Momonga this chapter, and not the rest of the Buster Call VAs? Seeing as Onigumo was the one who escorted Ace to Marineford from Impel Down, I'd have at least expected to see him this chapter. Guess him and the others will appear later, then.....




By the way, I'm still expecting a rather lengthy flashback to appear, possibly as soon as next chapter. Some may complain about it holding up the action, but I'm really interested in learning about Ace and Luffy's history. Besides, I think it's better to get it the flashback out of the way now, before the fighting starts. That way, the upcoming battles can commence uninterrupted.
marvelB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 14:59   Link #107
Vampire
Birth by Moonlight
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Somewhere not near you.
Send a message via MSN to Vampire
Is it just me, or are the shichibukai in page 8-9 supersized? They're taller than ordinary men, is this a mistake? And I'm pretty sure Ace didn't know that Gol D. Roger was his father, when he said back in the ID that both he and Luffy have the blood of a global scale criminal, meaning he only knew they have the same father. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/525/02/
__________________
Vampire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 15:08   Link #108
Terrestrial Dream
勇者
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tesla Leicht Institute
Age: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vampire View Post
Is it just me, or are the shichibukai in page 8-9 supersized? They're taller than ordinary men, is this a mistake? And I'm pretty sure Ace didn't know that Gol D. Roger was his father, when he said back in the ID that both he and Luffy have the blood of a global scale criminal, meaning he only knew they have the same father. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/525/02/
No it says they both have blood of global scale criminal, which could mean either Dragon or Roger. And I pretty sure Japanese doesn't have plural (or any of the Eastern Asian languages for that matter), so the translation could have came singular as a result.
__________________
Terrestrial Dream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 15:24   Link #109
Aiddon
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
the most literal translation I've seen goes like this:

Garp: I wanted you and Luffy to turn out great, upstanding sailors.
Instead, I find you both impossible ruffians!
Yes.
In fact... I told Luffy about your dad...
He was shocked to learn he had a father.

Ace: Whether we knew it, or liked it... or not... Luffy and I both...
...have the blood of an international criminal mastermind running in our veins. We'd never wind up as Marines...
...but...
Even then... even after taking on the name "Portgas" from my dear old mom...
...it still pains me to think I've still got half my blood from that worthless father.
A man I have no memory of... and no reason to thank.

Nitpick or whatever over this

from trax:

Quote:
Well, just read the chapter... Still don't like the childbirth thing though. Sure, reality and manga don't mix but this just seems unnecessary. At any rate, it's not all that important in the grand scheme of things. As for the revelation, does it really matter that Ace is Gol D. Roger's son? I don't really understand why his son would be prosecuted as a child in the first place, and at this point it doesn't make a whole lot of difference since he's infamous in his own right already.

Nothing much happened this chapter, but the display of all the marine forces + shichibukai was pretty impressive. And it looks like Whitebeard is starting to move, so things should be heating up pretty soon. For now it's the silence before the storm.
agreed, I don't see what this does for the series in any capacity. It doesn't resolve anything, it doesn't hint at something bigger, and it doesn't do anything for character growth. All I see it doing is turning a character into a macguffin and I don't like that idea.
Aiddon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 15:28   Link #110
Phenomenal
Banned
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Send a message via AIM to Phenomenal
^Exactly, that's why I don't see this as a plot twist, just more simple development on Rogers and Ace. People really like to overexaggerate the smallest things.

Last edited by Phenomenal; 2009-07-16 at 16:04.
Phenomenal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 15:35   Link #111
Aiddon
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
plus we've already had one father reveal anyway. I mean, "you're the son of so-and-so" is one of the biggest archetypes in story-telling, but Dragon was actually a foil of that because Luffy wasn't the son of some big hero, he's the son of the most dangerous and most wanted criminal on the planet.
Aiddon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 15:41   Link #112
Terrestrial Dream
勇者
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tesla Leicht Institute
Age: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aiddon View Post
the most literal translation I've seen goes like this:

Garp: I wanted you and Luffy to turn out great, upstanding sailors.
Instead, I find you both impossible ruffians!
Yes.
In fact... I told Luffy about your dad...
He was shocked to learn he had a father.

Ace: Whether we knew it, or liked it... or not... Luffy and I both...
...have the blood of an international criminal mastermind running in our veins. We'd never wind up as Marines...
...but...
Even then... even after taking on the name "Portgas" from my dear old mom...
...it still pains me to think I've still got half my blood from that worthless father.
A man I have no memory of... and no reason to thank.

Nitpick or whatever over this

from trax:



agreed, I don't see what this does for the series in any capacity. It doesn't resolve anything, it doesn't hint at something bigger, and it doesn't do anything for character growth. All I see it doing is turning a character into a macguffin and I don't like that idea.
I don't know I checked the Korean translation and it was pretty much same as the English translation, and both languages(Korean and Japanese) are similar so it would be much more literal than the English one. Also it doesn't say "your father" in both translation.
This plot twist could be interesting and could progress the story farther, for instance we know virtually nothing about Roger's life and this could lead to the past stories. Though I suggest we should wait before we judge anything, and imo One Piece has been one of the most constant manga(in quality wise) so I have faith.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomenal View Post
Those are called TRUE fans, the others are called fanboys/fangirls.
Not really it is called having different opinions.
__________________
Terrestrial Dream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 15:43   Link #113
sundaecone
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
I KNEW KNEW KNEW Gold D. Roger had to be related to luffy somehow!

AMAZING!

So, this means that Ace and Luffy are not actually related at all.... they were just raised together.... but why would Garp help out Gol D. Roger?

Is Dragon Gold D. Roger's brother?!
sundaecone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 15:46   Link #114
Aiddon
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
uh, the whole point about Roger was that we don't know much. He's a legend, legends lose all their appeal the second you ground them. Those kind of things are meant to be kept at arm's length so they seem more impressive and larger than life. And considering he's long gone anyway it's not like he himself can contribute anything. Plus we already had a character who could do Roger's past anyway: Rayleigh, his closest confidant.
Aiddon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 16:12   Link #115
Terrestrial Dream
勇者
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tesla Leicht Institute
Age: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aiddon View Post
uh, the whole point about Roger was that we don't know much. He's a legend, legends lose all their appeal the second you ground them. Those kind of things are meant to be kept at arm's length so they seem more impressive and larger than life. And considering he's long gone anyway it's not like he himself can contribute anything. Plus we already had a character who could do Roger's past anyway: Rayleigh, his closest confidant.
Roger maybe a legend in One Piece wrold but for the readers he is just a character. So for the readers to know more about his past doesn't really matter. And the story already started to depict Roger more ground level so this is nothing knew. And like I said it is not Roger himself that could progress the story further it is the past stories that this could lead into. Also the point that I was saying wasn't about who could tell the story but how this revelation could lead into the past of Roger.
__________________
Terrestrial Dream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 16:21   Link #116
Aiddon
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
SO WHAT? I fail to see how we need to anything about his past since he's a background character anyway (and it's not like dead characters need development) and if we did we have Rayleigh for that already. This doesn't really do anything but add needless complexity to a story that was fine to begin with. Adding this just seems superfluous
Aiddon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 16:32   Link #117
Rurik
Golden
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: 9th Temple
Age: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phenomenal View Post
^Exactly, that's why I don't see this as a plot twist, just more simple development on Rogers and Ace. People really like to overexaggerate the smallest things.

Well, it is actually a plot twist, because until now we will led to believe something different before this chapter.
__________________
"when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -
Rurik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 16:34   Link #118
AddiKtioNn-BlaCk
Is Your Daddy & Its True
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: In the Sky with the Birds
Well for everybody who saying that revealing Ace to be Roger's son is pointless...
If you're ass can't see into the future please shut the hell up....
Nobody knows what Oda has in his mind...
I'm pretty sure there's a point...
Sometimes a author would mention or reveal something that makes sense letter on...
And I trust Oda will deliver...
Besides I like hearing about Gold Roger and when he pops up...
Gol D. Roger is more than just a legend...
He's a central figure in the series...
For him being the late Pirate King and knowing the True History...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terrestrial Dream View Post
Though I suggest we should wait before we judge anything, and imo One Piece has been one of the most constant manga(in quality wise) so I have faith.
__________________



'̿ ̿ ̿'̿'\̵͇̿̿\з=(̪●)=ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿ '̿
Weed, there is nothing wrong with it.. Seriously what's so bad about it? Smoking weed and eating out your fridge and laughing at the simple things? Or getting in fights and causing injury and accidents. Beer is the destruction of this nation, Herb is the healer! Don't listen, make your own choices!
AddiKtioNn-BlaCk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 16:38   Link #119
Crusader
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: North Texas
Send a message via MSN to Crusader
The pregnancy is actually funny to me, I can imagine, that Portgas was probably one angry momma. Could you imagine being pregenant and constantly on the run? That has to suck, but in the grand scheme of things i can actually believe that.
__________________
The times may change, but human nature never will.
Crusader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-07-16, 16:46   Link #120
grey_1960
Baby 5
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Indiana
Does any one else think Admiral Garb is going to help White beard surprise the marines? Becasue I feel that White Beard knows just as much as Fleet Admiral Sengoku if not more becasue he fought Gold D. Roger dead even the only differents was Gold D. Roger reached one piece first.

Also i feel that Admiral Garb is going to help in some way to free Ace or let White Beard sneek in becasue "Blood is thicker than water". Yes I know Ace is not connected gentically to Admiral Garb but Garb did raise Luffy and Ace and took them under his wing so in my eyes makes them family regardless of anything.

Another thing the 3 Supreme Admirals are looking badass (especially Supreme Admiral Akainu which i can't wait to see in action).

I also wonder if White Beard got to some of the Shichibukai? I can't believe the Navy is actually going to depend on these outlaws. They are going to learn the hard way trusting bunch of Pirates. I can see Bartholomew Kuma(already defied Admiral Kizaru once), Boa Hancock(helped out Luffy), and Mihawk(was scene talking to Shanks and partying with him) as possible defector or do something to turn the tide. Croc is also an unkown. I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if he help out the world government.

Last thought I can't believe Luffy isn't Gold D. Rogers son becasue Luffy as got alot of feature more like Gold D. Rogers rather than Dragon.
grey_1960 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 16:52.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.