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Old 2004-02-28, 22:46   Link #1
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Is hentai considered anime?

what do you people think
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Old 2004-02-28, 23:00   Link #2
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Kinda the wrong forum for such a question, but I'll answer.

no no no no Never.....well..mabye.

If Tsukihime had ep 11's 'scene' more 'in detail', it would be considered hentai, but basically an anime. Hentai by my definition is anime, but shouldn't be classified in the same category nonetheless. I choose this because hentai by my opinion is just too crappy story(and sometimes animation)wise to be anywhere near.

Hentai = Sex-oriented(if not sex-only) anime-style video.
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Old 2004-02-28, 23:21   Link #3
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First, I'll take it that your usage of "hentai" is the noun for the medium with porno-anime (it seems that way by looking at this board).

Loosely, "Hentai" is actually an adjective meaning "a weird person" which evolved into "pervert."

Anyway, back to the answer:

Yes and no.

Here in Japan, "hentai" - as you call it, are known as "ero-anime." Hence, they are considered to be "anime." Well, anything that is animated is called "anime" here anyway. Outside of Japan, the usage of "anime" is "animation from Japan." Here, "anime" is anything that is animated - that includes Disney (i.e: mukashi no Disney anime wa saikou ni omoshirokatta).

However, even though it is considered to be "anime," and deals with "mosaic-ridden sex scenes that distinctly shows genital insertion" (we have weird laws, I know) it is also considered to be pornography. Hence, they are shoved into the porno sections in stores.

Whereas animes such as "Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien," "Shingetsutan Tsukihime," and similar animes are understandably have "sex scenes," these are still considered to be "regular anime" because - they go around the loophole that exists in Japanese law: "if it doesn't show actual insertion clearly it isn't pornography." If you don't like it - say thanks to Mr. Douglas MacArthur for putting this law into our Japanese Constitution. So techinically, anime such as "Futari Ecchi" isn't "ero-anime" since it does not actually show genital insertion clearly (hence you don't see this in the porno section - it's right on the shelf in the "normal" anime section).

To wrap it all up:

A. "hentai" or, by proper definition: "ero-anime" are anime since it is an animated form. It becomes defined as "ero-anime" if they clearly (though in mosaic) show genital insertion of sexual intercourse.
B. If "A" is true, by definition and by law - it is considered to be pornography, so it get's shoved into the porno section at stores. The legal age to buy porno here is 18.
C. Animes that do show obvious sex scenes (i.e: KgNE, Tsukihime, etc) but does NOT show genital insertion are on the borderline due to the loophole in the law. It is not considered to be pornography nor as ero-anime and they are put onto the regular shelf as the other animes. But due to the content, you have to be "over 15" to buy these types of anime.
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Old 2004-02-28, 23:23   Link #4
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It is best to consider hentai in the same way most people think of porn. They are the same, but are separated due to hentai/porn main purpose of arousal or tittilation.
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Old 2004-02-29, 15:41   Link #5
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all i will say is; nobody watches hentai for the storyline just like nobody reads playboy for the articles. its just another way for perverts to get their fix.
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Old 2004-02-29, 16:06   Link #6
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To me, if there's a sex scene in an anime, it doesn't mean it's hentai... But that's just how I think. That's like saying a movie involving a sex scene is a porn movie, but we all know that there's a big difference.. To me, hentai is when it's revolving around sex, and you can actually clearly see the scenes...

I want to say that hentai -is- anime. It would be very insulting for hentai artists to say that it's not really manga or anime, and there's no reason to say it isn't. But I agree with Deralti.. I don't like when people put hentai in the same box as anime because, well, it makes anime look bad.
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Old 2004-02-29, 16:49   Link #7
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Kinda the wrong forum for such a question, but I'll answer.

no no no no Never.....well..mabye.

If Tsukihime had ep 11's 'scene' more 'in detail', it would be considered hentai, but basically an anime. Hentai by my definition is anime, but shouldn't be classified in the same category nonetheless. I choose this because hentai by my opinion is just too crappy story(and sometimes animation)wise to be anywhere near.

Hentai = Sex-oriented(if not sex-only) anime-style video.
no Hentai=perverted,twisted etc it has nothing to do with one catagory of video. There can be live hentai etc. But yes Hentai anime is anime
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Old 2004-02-29, 16:50   Link #8
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all i will say is; nobody watches hentai for the storyline just like nobody reads playboy for the articles. its just another way for perverts to get their fix.

So to you anyone that watches any kind of adult movies or animation is a pervert?
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Old 2004-02-29, 17:57   Link #9
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if it's anime, it's anime, hentai by definition is anime, there is no reason why it's not, and there is no reason to denie it. Many ppl like to see videos of ppl having sex, it's only human. so go hentai
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Old 2004-02-29, 18:22   Link #10
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anyting that is animated, is considered anime. Is 'hentai' animated? if so, then its anime. If you want to refer to anime as 'animation from japan', then call it japanime. (japanese animation)
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Old 2004-02-29, 18:24   Link #11
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all i will say is; nobody watches hentai for the storyline just like nobody reads playboy for the articles. its just another way for perverts to get their fix.
Eh? I watched Kite for the story...
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Old 2004-02-29, 18:31   Link #12
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It's funny. Normally we're proud of the immense range of topics and styles that anime encompasses. But as soon as we get to anime that's designed to arouse, a perfectly normal and natural use for media, (certainly enjoying porn is far more widespread than, say, enjoying complex philosophical literature), many of us want to sweep it under the carpet, or even entertain the suggestion that that's not real anime at all. Just because we're suddenly into territory that's not conventional in "polite conversation".

Hentai (or whatever you want to call it) is a subsection of anime. I wonder about the motivation of anyone who seriously considers classifying it otherwise. What an odd classification that would be - "Anime is animation made in Japan that doesn't combine explicit depiction of sex and a primary purpose of arousal." Doesn't that just sound stupid?

Oh, and I watched Urutsukidoji for the story. (It really is a great story.) Well, the first part of it at least, the latter parts aren't supposed to be as good, so I didn't bother.
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Old 2004-02-29, 18:38   Link #13
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Eh? I watched Kite for the story...

So did I. But I didn't know that it was hentai. I seriously think that movie has scarred me for life But I really liked the character design of the female lead (especially her eyes).
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Old 2004-02-29, 18:43   Link #14
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So did I. But I didn't know that it was hentai. I seriously think that movie has scarred me for life But I really liked the character design of the female lead (especially her eyes).
I found the male members of the cast to be really well designed too. Just not, you know... their "members". I didn't like those designs so much.
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Old 2004-02-29, 19:03   Link #15
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Man what a question. That's like asking if porn are considered movies.

Of course it's still anime. If it's freaking animated then it's considered a cartoon meaning that it's anime.

It's not exactly rocket science we're talking about here.
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Old 2004-02-29, 19:11   Link #16
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It's funny. Normally we're proud of the immense range of topics and styles that anime encompasses. But as soon as we get to anime that's designed to arouse, a perfectly normal and natural use for media, (certainly enjoying porn is far more widespread than, say, enjoying complex philosophical literature), many of us want to sweep it under the carpet, or even entertain the suggestion that that's not real anime at all. Just because we're suddenly into territory that's not conventional in "polite conversation".
I agree. Whether we like it or not, hentai is here to say. Furthermore hentai is not for everybody, but so are the other kinds of anime out there. It's more or less escapist, so live with it. Simply put, hentai or ero-anime is an inevitable (or predictable) result of the diversity of anime.

Oh, and Kite definitely has great visuals (and not simply because of the sex). I like the artwork. Actually I would have preferred Kite to be turned into a series rather than Mezzo.
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Old 2004-02-29, 20:44   Link #17
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I think hentai is anime because it is animted. Even if it is porn.
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Old 2004-02-29, 21:02   Link #18
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what do you people think
Here's a proof that wraps up what everyones basically been saying.

Anime (by definition) = all Japanese Animation
Hentai = a type of Japanese Animation

Hence, by the transitive property
Hentai must be a type of Anime.
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Old 2004-02-29, 22:44   Link #19
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It's funny. Normally we're proud of the immense range of topics and styles that anime encompasses. But as soon as we get to anime that's designed to arouse, a perfectly normal and natural use for media, (certainly enjoying porn is far more widespread than, say, enjoying complex philosophical literature), many of us want to sweep it under the carpet, or even entertain the suggestion that that's not real anime at all. Just because we're suddenly into territory that's not conventional in "polite conversation".

Hentai (or whatever you want to call it) is a subsection of anime. I wonder about the motivation of anyone who seriously considers classifying it otherwise. What an odd classification that would be - "Anime is animation made in Japan that doesn't combine explicit depiction of sex and a primary purpose of arousal." Doesn't that just sound stupid?
Agree 100% There is absolutely no reason why it wouldn't be anime.
The reason for denying it is probably because most Americans had a very prude upbringing (or at least the major part of them), so they don't really know how to handle it...
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Old 2004-02-29, 22:59   Link #20
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Well, this question makes as much sense as asking if porn movies are considered movies. Just like porno is a TYPE of movie, ero-anime is a TYPE of anime. I don't see how there can be any confusion or arguments over this.
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