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Old 2010-10-13, 08:43   Link #1221
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I had my jaw dropped at how the quality is superior to even anime these days. Another surprising thing was that Rider got killed by Caster here and gruesome death.....head severed. Whereas in the TV series it was Saber who killed Rider....interesting change. Obviously this is a key concept for people not to freak out and I know Shirou's case was seeing the results of the Holy Grail war and its victims it left. Another crazy turn around was when Archer slashed Shirou in the back suddenly. I was like WTH are you doing Archer? That was crazy part. Another shocker was this! WTH, a dagger of Caster that can nullify all contracts with the servant and make them hers? WTH seriously. Yet another shocker was when Shirou put himself in front of Rin to stop Saber's sword from slashing her. Kid got amazing guts! It was right after already being injured by Archer's slash. Just amazing person Shirou is.
Remember, jumping in front of the girl to save her is pivotal to winning her over. Especially if she is a tsundere.
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City view was glorious here! Another surprise was when Saber accepted another pact. WTH? How can that be even? I though the pact was to return to its original owner. Oh what! What a twist! Saber takes Rin as her master! What? What? I was O_O because in the TV series Rin always wanted Saber as her partner. WTH happened in this movie. As if this was not enough Archer proclaims he is the ideals of Shirou? Oh what a surprise! What a amazing revelation! He even claims at the end that he is Shirou himself somehow by having a similar appearance to him. Kirei made Lancer kill himself? WTF
Masters can have different Servants and vice versa. If a Master A and Servant B are killed, then Master B can make a pact with Servant A. So Rin taking Saber as her new servant is okay. I think the rule is one Servant per Master. Caster broke all the rules, lol.

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Seriously lots of WTF and WTH all around but it was surprising he would do that to his servant. Major twist was Lancer still had enough power to stab Kirei back......now that was surprising also. Another amazing twist was Shirou actually succeeding in stabbing Archer with a copy of his own sword! Wow and that fight between them was so EPIC! Epic over 9000! Just wow! I mean something like this! Just beautiful! Well that was interesting remark here by Rin. Logical enough. I kind of did not understand the end but I assume Shirou did somehow get in love with Rin at school but in the end left for the wastelands to face his fate? After which he somehow becomes Archer the Heroic hero?
Archer is a Future Shirou. Servants are heroes summoned from the past, present, and future. Masters often summon them with catalysts. The gem that Rin used to save Shirou was what connected her to Archer, it was her catalyst. Even if she didn't want it, lol. Heroic Spirit EMIYA is not the Shirou we see in UBW. Shirou will stay on the right path because he has Rin.

Play the VN, it's all in there. I left a lot out because I don't want to spoil it for you. I think they explained the catalyst thing in the TV series, well, it's not a plot spoiler, it's factual Grail War stuff.

[quote]Someone explain me the end please because I wished more of Rin x Shirou end instead.[quote]What was confusing about the end? They went on with their lives together. Lucky bastard.

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BTW Archer's arrow in the beginning was insane with A-bomb blast!
That explosion was way too big. He was way to far away and the blast was way too big. Anime exaggeration.
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Yeah I know way too much but it was never too much with Gilgamesh dying. I would rather has seen him being decapitated but oh well still satisfied after all the shit he did to poor Illya.
He did lose an arm.
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Old 2010-10-13, 09:52   Link #1222
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That explosion was way too big. He was way to far away and the blast was way too big. Anime exaggeration.
Plus if I recall in the VN, the arrow didn't just land in the general area and explode. I seem to recall it striking Berserker in the temple.
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Old 2010-10-13, 09:54   Link #1223
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Plus if I recall in the VN, the arrow didn't just land in the general area and explode. I seem to recall it striking Berserker in the temple.
Yeah. It was aimed at Berserker. There was no hint at that point that Archer wanted to kill Shirou.
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Old 2010-10-13, 11:03   Link #1224
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Yeah. It was aimed at Berserker. There was no hint at that point that Archer wanted to kill Shirou.
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Old 2010-10-13, 12:49   Link #1225
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Just finished watching the movie... wow!
What amazing quality. I really liked the story over all, and really liked what they did with it.
I understand that the anime was a different route.. more EmiyaXSaber stuff, so I wasn't sure if I was going to like the other route that the movie was most likely going to show but wow I really did.

I thought the animation was top notch and blew me away (I watched it in blu-ray!), I was really impressed with how smooth everything was and how detailed the backgrounds were. especially Illya's castle. It was amazing!

I do have some fan complaints such as the whole berzerker x gilgamesh scene and how badly it all played out or how fast it all went, and especially had some bones to pick with the next scene but I can't really complain because I never played the VN so I am just going to assume that its how it actually goes. I thought berzerker should of put up a vastly better fight having god hand and what not. Besides that I actually really enjoyed the fight scenes and actually prefer most of them to their anime counterparts. I really felt the power of unlimited blade works in this film as opposed to the anime where archer was a wimp and chucked plastic swords at berzerker inside his theme park unlimited plastic toys.

I really like how they did the love story in this, they kept it subtle and didn't really emphasize but at the end of the day the viewers knew not only what was going on, but how deep and how strong the bond was. I guess it makes it easier if there isn't anybody contesting for them. Sakura was a no-show and saber never had any personal screen time which most likely made it easier!

all in all I am ALL about the UBW right now and can safely say it is one of the finest pieces of art I have ever seen. My standards are that if I can pause, take a screenshot and be willing to put it as my wallpaper (1680x1050), then it passes my inspection as amazing animation. I am really picky about animation and quality, and hate any type of pixelation. I can't even watch anime at like 800x600!, its too low!

just posting to let what I thought of the movie out.
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Old 2010-10-13, 13:02   Link #1226
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there are 3 reasons that i can remember why shirou was able to defeat gil which the movie for the most part skipped
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There are only 2 reasons why Gil was defeated by Shirou: because of his foolish arrogance (which is your usual nasu power level circumstance) and the fact he played with Shirou's terms.

Should they kept going the swords spam before UBW (or a plain Enuma Elish right from the get go), Shirou would be turned into a ridiculous hedgehog. By no mean Gilgamesh would be dry on mana, considering the context and the setup.

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When I saw Ilya's aortic arterial blood spray, my first impression was of the bad endings to the School Days VN.

Not a good association in my book.
It isn't only Illya: it seems every anime characters designed by DEEN staff -have- to be some unlimited blood tank for no damn reason.
Shirou had it good when slashed by Archer: it is as if his jugular or femoral were hit considering that blood spray.
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Old 2010-10-13, 13:19   Link #1227
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I really like how they did the love story in this, they kept it subtle and didn't really emphasize but at the end of the day the viewers knew not only what was going on, but how deep and how strong the bond was. I guess it makes it easier if there isn't anybody contesting for them. Sakura was a no-show and saber never had any personal screen time which most likely made it easier!
See, I wish we had more romance between the two of them. They left out a really great part with Lancer where Shirou shows how much he cares for Rin.

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It isn't only Illya: it seems every anime characters designed by DEEN staff -have- to be some unlimited blood tank for no damn reason.
Shirou had it good when slashed by Archer: it is as if his jugular or femoral were hit considering that blood spray.
It really makes me wonder what goes through their heads. Do you think the extra blood is better? Is it a eastern-western thing? Did the Japanese fans like the amount of blood?
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Old 2010-10-13, 16:01   Link #1228
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Old 2010-10-13, 22:07   Link #1229
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I thought the animation was top notch and blew me away (I watched it in blu-ray!), I was really impressed with how smooth everything was and how detailed the backgrounds were. especially Illya's castle. It was amazing!
This animation, with all due respect, is a piece of TURD compared to Kara no Kyoukai's animation quality. In UBW, you can tell they put a lot of effort into the animation frames during and after the first Berserker fight. You can tell when Rin's and Illya's hair animation is very smooth and shiny with the fire in the background; now THAT is top notch quality animation. Why didn't they make the rest of the movie like that? Beats me, but they half-assed the movie. After that part, the majority of the movie is just as bad as watching a TV series with a lot of static frames. None of the characters looks shiny anymore or their hair stays still. Only the very end of the movie with Rin on the window does it increase the quality again. So, this animation is NOT top notch quality at all. It has to be consistently smooth and shiny to be top notch, which UBW definitely is not.

Anyone who says this thing has good animation needs to watch more stuff. The only thing that helped this movie look good was the fact it's Blu-ray. KnK isn't even on blu-ray yet and it still looks better than UBW!

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Old 2010-10-14, 02:30   Link #1230
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Does Kara no Kyoukai really have better animation? I always assumed it simply had vastly superior art.
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Old 2010-10-14, 03:37   Link #1231
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Does Kara no Kyoukai really have better animation?
Hell yeah is the answer you'll be getting. I mean ufotable are some of the best animators in the business. Just compare the fight scenes, and you'll see the huge difference.
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Does Kara no Kyoukai really have better animation? I always assumed it simply had vastly superior art.
Long stor short: it definitely does.
The frame rate is pretty much constant (not going on a burst/slow down unlike in UBW: see the huge difference between Saber VS Berserker and the other fights).
Not only that, but the camera is vastly more inspiring and proper for the actions scenes.
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Old 2010-10-14, 09:06   Link #1233
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The movie was good. In terms of story however this is not even close of rivaling the main route, which was covered by the TV series, but this looks a lot better and had much better action sequences (which is to be expected since it's a movie and not a TV series). In my opinion it can't be viewed as a stand-alone adaptation of the UBW route though since it's way too compressed. You NEED to have watched the TV series or played the VN to connect some of the dots and to appreciate some of the scenes the way they're supposed to be appreciated. It's a complement to the original, not a substitute.

Nevertheless, if you remove all the eyecandy you're left with a just decent story with no emotional impact worth mentioning.

(I gave it a 5/10 rating)
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Old 2010-10-14, 11:34   Link #1234
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Does Kara no Kyoukai really have better animation? I always assumed it simply had vastly superior art.
Saying that KnK has vastly superior art to UBW is still an euphemism. Sure, UBW has some decent visual moments, but overall nothing shines there. This is a bit sad, because I thought that they would make proper use of UBW story and prove sceptics that they can be on par with ufotable - but they're not. Look at Paradox Spiral, half an hour shorter, but artwork is hundred times more appealing there than in UBW. Not to mention falling scene where the building looks almost like a real one.
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Long stor short: it definitely does.
The frame rate is pretty much constant (not going on a burst/slow down unlike in UBW: see the huge difference between Saber VS Berserker and the other fights).
Not only that, but the camera is vastly more inspiring and proper for the actions scenes.
And while I agree that KnK is much much better in animation too, it still could be better.
After all they're also using duplicated frames (in CFR terms, fortunately mostly only in camera-still scenes) and the same but displaced layers in multiplane camera settings. Fluidity still can be improved. Look at Remaining Sense of Pain, where Shiki attacks Asagami, who breaks her hand. Slow-motion part lacks some frames and Shiki rolling on the floor lacks some additional body positions.
Even though they're doing it obviously better. In animation everything above available resources is about perfect fooling the viewer. Deen overuses tricks and it's still not perfect in making them.

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Old 2010-10-15, 05:52   Link #1235
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Watched the movie but pretty disappointed and my reasons are pretty much the same with the others stated previously since i read the VN as well.

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Old 2010-10-15, 08:37   Link #1236
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Old 2010-10-16, 19:32   Link #1237
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Finally saw the movie.

I had mixed emotions about it though, what I definetly didn't like was how rushed some things were. Like for example when Shirou met Rider for the first time and then next second he and Rin are fighting random skeletons inside of school while Rider is already DEAD! Just what the...
It looked like if they skipped several days or something and for Rider to be killed off that fast? By Caster of all people?

I was really displeased by that... I can understand why some other things were rushed, they basicly would be repeating anime again at some point.

But now come the pluses... Shirou didn't piss me off this time! Heck, I didn't mind him one bit here! What a suprise.

No Shirou/Saber centred story, in my eyes the whole Saber/Shirou romance concentration in anime was a huge minus. Because of that story turned from cool action into sloppy melodrama where it was not needed. While here in the movie things were kept to a minimum what made whole iterection and story more enjoyable.

Actually story on its own is better here, it isn't some love war. Gilgamesh is not there to get Saber and we don't have lover quarrels.

I could understand Archer better and I found story twists far more enoyable in this movie. Also Caster and Lancer gor more screentime.

Obviously graphics and fighting scenes were great here. Also Saber was not a typical unbittable main hero despite still being one of the strongest servants, she looked equel to everyone else what makes you feel more for her.

Despite rushed story and Rider being killed off screen in several seconds, I still liked it a lot and will give this movie 9.

P.S. I hope that if animation studio will decide to animate other routes, they will turn them into anime series with 12 episodes.
24 episodes were obviously too many last time while movie was too short. I think 12 episodes would be able to make the right series justice. Especially for 3rd route which I know has far more changes than this one.
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