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Old 2011-08-12, 23:27   Link #1281
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How long do you think it would take a vampire to die in the sun? The first evaporated, so it must have been when Kiss shot wasn't looking, since she found him later, right? Would his armor have evaporated too?
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Old 2011-08-13, 02:13   Link #1282
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How long do you think it would take a vampire to die in the sun? The first evaporated, so it must have been when Kiss shot wasn't looking, since she found him later, right? Would his armor have evaporated too?
Actually the way I interpret it was that the first asked her to turn him back and she wouldn't die for him. The first then stood in front of the sun right in front of her to show her that he would rather die than be a vampire.

I think the process wouldn't have taken that long, maybe a couple of minutes? Kissshot wanted to off herself by doing that but she was so powerful that not even that could kill her. It goes to show that the only sure way to kill a vampire is to suck out its existence.
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Old 2011-08-13, 02:18   Link #1283
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Do you think she tried to stop him or was it too late?
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Old 2011-08-13, 02:48   Link #1284
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Actually the way I interpret it was that the first asked her to turn him back and she wouldn't die for him. The first then stood in front of the sun right in front of her to show her that he would rather die than be a vampire.

I think the process wouldn't have taken that long, maybe a couple of minutes? Kissshot wanted to off herself by doing that but she was so powerful that not even that could kill her. It goes to show that the only sure way to kill a vampire is to suck out its existence.
Episode's cross seemed to be pretty effective against Araragi,

that being the case, I still don't think it would kill Kissshot.

Or would it?
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Old 2011-08-13, 03:43   Link #1285
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The time it takes a vampire to evaporate under the sun depends on the vampire's regenerative power. In the case of a Kissshot's subordinate, it may take long since Kissshot has an extraordinary regenerative power, and her subordinates should have at least half of her powers.

I think Kissshot became so powerful mostly because she has lived so long, so 400 years ago her regenerative power was probably on the level of a normal vampire. Then again, it seems she has always eaten only one person per month, meaning that she could have been that strong from the start.

What is certain is that she has more battle experience than anyone else, and it is stated that Episode alone was no match for her.
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Old 2011-08-13, 05:28   Link #1286
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I was referring to crosses in general, seeing as she told him that it would take a long time for him to die under the sun.

The cross, however, left him with no shoulder for awhile.

That being said, Kissshot seems too invincible to be killed by even that.
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Old 2011-08-13, 08:48   Link #1287
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Since we're so much in Kizumonogatari now i have some questions too , seems like mine are somewhat basic compared to yours.

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Old 2011-08-13, 08:54   Link #1288
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Now obviously i'm no expert, but I hope this clears it up a bit.
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Old 2011-08-13, 10:10   Link #1289
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1.When she turned to Shinobu , does mentally she is still the same? Does she remember everything or so?
2.Why is she speechless in Bakemonogatari after she was turned into Shinobu?
3.Does she hate Koyomi after he turned her into Shinobu?
The new name only serves to control her somehow. At least, binding a Kaii with a name does have some relevance, though I don't think it was explained in detail what it does. She is not a new person.

She stayed silent because she was holding a grudge against Araragi, who didn't grant her what she wished at the end of Kizu. In the end she got over it and started talking again.
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4.Can someone maybe make a quick/short summary of what happened exactly with Shinobu after Bakemonogatari?
Mr. Donuts
reverse tsundere
ghastly smile
ribs

These are the most used key words when talking about Shinobu.
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5.I catched a quote written by someone (i think it was from Otorimonogatari summary) where Shinobu looked like 17? What's with it? Is her power getting back to her(if that what will happen when her power returns 100% , will she need to eat humans?)? Or she's just aging?
Araragi sometimes let her suck more of his blood to get the strength of a vampire. The more blood Shinobu sucks the more she gets older. If she sucked too much blood she would be back as before.
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6.Is she immortal?
Immortal here means that she won't die until killed repeatedly. Technically she could die, she is just terribly tough.
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Old 2011-08-13, 10:41   Link #1290
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The new name only serves to control her somehow. At least, binding a Kaii with a name does have some relevance, though I don't think it was explained in detail what it does. She is not a new person.

She stayed silent because she was holding a grudge against Araragi, who didn't grant her what she wished at the end of Kizu. In the end she got over it and started talking again.
So it's like it was in Kizu , she's got 8 years body , but 27 years mind?

Edit: What is reverse tsundere?

btw. How does she call him now ? Still servant or what?

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Old 2011-08-13, 10:43   Link #1291
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Old 2011-08-13, 13:32   Link #1292
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I wonder how Kiss-Shot turned into a vampire.
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Old 2011-08-13, 15:16   Link #1293
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So it's like it was in Kizu , she's got 8 years body , but 27 years mind?
She has the mind of a vampire that lived for 500 years.
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Edit: What is reverse tsundere?
Not the exact words, but it was a joke in one of the book. I think Araragi was implying Shinobu was growing less affectionate to him the more time passed, as she was seeing him more and more only like a source of donuts.
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"My master" (我があるじ様).
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Old 2011-08-13, 15:26   Link #1294
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She has the mind of a vampire that lived for 500 years.

Not the exact words, but it was a joke in one of the book. I think Araragi was implying Shinobu was growing less affectionate to him the more time passed, as she was seeing him more and more only like a source of donuts.

"My master" (我があるじ様).
598 and 11 months to be exact as of August 2006. In terms of Hana 599 years and 7 months.
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Old 2011-08-13, 15:50   Link #1295
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"My master" (我があるじ様).
I must say , that's pretty stupid. Did their relationship changed (from Kizu) because of Shinobu's weak form? And that "master-servant" stuff?

Thanks for answers , i really appreciate it
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Old 2011-08-14, 11:23   Link #1296
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I must say , that's pretty stupid. Did their relationship changed (from Kizu) because of Shinobu's weak form? And that "master-servant" stuff?

Thanks for answers , i really appreciate it
Yes their relationship has changed and now Koyomi is the master.

She only calls him that sometimes, either when she speaking of him in the third person or if the situation demands it. Most of the time she uses omaesama お前さま, which is an archaic way of saying "you" politely. She used to use unu うぬ, which is pretty vulgar, when the relationship was reversed.
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Old 2011-08-14, 12:21   Link #1297
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How do you think Oshino managed to take Kiss Shot's heart with her not noticing? Besides using the holy water and stuff?
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Old 2011-08-14, 13:37   Link #1298
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How do you think Oshino managed to take Kiss Shot's heart with her not noticing? Besides using the holy water and stuff?
Well she was practically invincible so I'm sure she didn't take too much notice of her surroundings since no one was really a threat to her. Add the fact that Oshino is probably the sneakiest bastard in the world and there you go. Basically she just didn't realize that Oshino existed so he had that one chance to sneak up on her. If I remember right Oshino said it was mostly luck that he was able to do it.
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Old 2011-08-16, 21:33   Link #1299
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Why is calling Heart-Under-Blade, Kiss shot a big deal?

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Old 2011-08-16, 23:18   Link #1300
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Why is calling Heart-Under-Blade, Kiss shot a big deal?
I guess it's some sort of respect thing.
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