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Old 2009-10-05, 15:03   Link #1081
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The Stakes have crests on their skirts. Gaap is the only one without a crest that I can recall at the moment.
oh wow how did I not see that

But yeah, looks like Gaap and the Iron Maidens are the only ones without a crest. Sakutarou doesn't have it as well.
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Old 2009-10-05, 15:32   Link #1082
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Gaap doesn't seem to have the crest either
Hmmmm. This, no matter how stupid it may be, is making me think

I don't have EP4 on me at the moment- anything special or suspicious said when Gaap is introduced?
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Old 2009-10-05, 15:41   Link #1083
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Personally, I disagree with this theory, purely because

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Old 2009-10-05, 15:45   Link #1084
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Hmmmm. This, no matter how stupid it may be, is making me think

I don't have EP4 on me at the moment- anything special or suspicious said when Gaap is introduced?
Gaap is summoned by GoldSmith, after the six people in the first twilight are killed, in order to teleport the survivors into the prison.
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Old 2009-10-05, 16:57   Link #1085
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"Beatrice" is a problem, as we have rather a large number of them by this point:

1) Beatrice the Endless Witch of the meta-world, Battler's opponent (Beato).
2) Beatrice the witch of the portrait/Rokkenjima, who claims to be committing magical crimes in the magic scenes on the game board.
3) Beatrice the human girl who looked like the portrait and died in 1967.
4) "Beatrice" the "witch" who taught Beatrice the human girl sometime before 1967 (resembles Virgilia).
5) Kinzo's Beatrice.
6) "Beatrice" the witch physically present on the island in 1986.
7) Maria's Beatrice, whose handwriting later self-identifies as "Maria Ushiromiya."
8) EVA-Beatrice.
9) ANGE-Beatrice.

Did I miss any Beatos out there? Some of these are probably the same people (Maria's Beatrice I have good odds on being the physical "Beatrice" of ep2/4), and Eva and Ange probably don't really count (neither would Battler if he's technically "Beatrice" now, though he wouldn't see himself as such).
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Old 2009-10-05, 17:00   Link #1086
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At this rate, we'll be turning Rokkenjima into a new Silent Hill...
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Old 2009-10-05, 17:11   Link #1087
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Old 2009-10-05, 17:22   Link #1088
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"Beatrice" is a problem, as we have rather a large number of them by this point:

1) Beatrice the Endless Witch of the meta-world, Battler's opponent (Beato).
2) Beatrice the witch of the portrait/Rokkenjima, who claims to be committing magical crimes in the magic scenes on the game board.
3) Beatrice the human girl who looked like the portrait and died in 1967.
4) "Beatrice" the "witch" who taught Beatrice the human girl sometime before 1967 (resembles Virgilia).
5) Kinzo's Beatrice.
6) "Beatrice" the witch physically present on the island in 1986.
7) Maria's Beatrice, whose handwriting later self-identifies as "Maria Ushiromiya."
8) EVA-Beatrice.
9) ANGE-Beatrice.

Did I miss any Beatos out there? Some of these are probably the same people (Maria's Beatrice I have good odds on being the physical "Beatrice" of ep2/4), and Eva and Ange probably don't really count (neither would Battler if he's technically "Beatrice" now, though he wouldn't see himself as such).
There's also other Endless Witches before Virgilia - according to EP 3 she's the one who started the trend of giving the title 'Beatrice' to each successor, so technically she's the original Beatrice.

Beatrice from bullets 6 and 7 might be the same person possibly? In EP 2 when we first see Suit-Beato, Maria immediately recognizes her as the Beatrice she has been meeting up with all the time. Battler also saw that same Beato, but then again he was pretty drunk since he also saw golden butterflies, so we might not want to take that for granted.
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Old 2009-10-05, 17:35   Link #1089
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i don't think we should explain golden butterflies by him beeing drunk it was midnight afterall, the game ended. he always sees creepy stuff at that time.

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Beatrice from bullets 6 and 7 might be the same person possibly?
rather probably.
unless you wanna try to fit 2 Beatos in the 17 person limit.
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Old 2009-10-05, 18:00   Link #1090
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There's also other Endless Witches before Virgilia - according to EP 3 she's the one who started the trend of giving the title 'Beatrice' to each successor, so technically she's the original Beatrice.
Being the original Beatrice, does that not somehow imply that she might be Kinzo's Beatrice, too?
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Old 2009-10-05, 18:02   Link #1091
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"Beatrice" is a problem, as we have rather a large number of them by this point:

1) Beatrice the Endless Witch of the meta-world, Battler's opponent (Beato).
2) Beatrice the witch of the portrait/Rokkenjima, who claims to be committing magical crimes in the magic scenes on the game board.
3) Beatrice the human girl who looked like the portrait and died in 1967.
4) "Beatrice" the "witch" who taught Beatrice the human girl sometime before 1967 (resembles Virgilia).
5) Kinzo's Beatrice.
6) "Beatrice" the witch physically present on the island in 1986.
7) Maria's Beatrice, whose handwriting later self-identifies as "Maria Ushiromiya."
8) EVA-Beatrice.
9) ANGE-Beatrice.

Did I miss any Beatos out there? Some of these are probably the same people (Maria's Beatrice I have good odds on being the physical "Beatrice" of ep2/4), and Eva and Ange probably don't really count (neither would Battler if he's technically "Beatrice" now, though he wouldn't see himself as such).

Why does everyone forget

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Old 2009-10-05, 18:05   Link #1092
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Old 2009-10-05, 19:25   Link #1093
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Why does everyone forget
i don't!! (i just brought it up a few pages ago D: )
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She also has a split-personality disorder
LOL.
not the best way to put it though, the change in her behaviour is explained by the context.

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i actually had the same thoughts glad i'm not the only one. i also got the idea about
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guess my inner shiper/pervert is comig out


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Being the original Beatrice, does that not somehow imply that she might be Kinzo's Beatrice, too?
it does. (or rather, it's just a hint. could be a fake one?)
than again, Kinzo's Beatrice is supposed to be a person capable of getting 10tons of gold out of nowhere.
but than again we know basicaly nothing about her... still i find it kinda hard to think about her as Beatrice, i'd rather interpret it in different way.



btw. did anyone notice what day is it? if it was '86 the conference would be ending today. (hopefully with no deaths)
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Old 2009-10-05, 19:34   Link #1094
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Kinzo would still be dead.
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Old 2009-10-05, 19:35   Link #1095
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i actually had the same thoughts glad i'm not the only one. i also got the idea about
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guess my inner shiper/pervert is comig out

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Old 2009-10-05, 19:54   Link #1096
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SHE is disguising as somebody, NOBODY is disguising as her. Why does nobody believe Maria? Uu~
Because between the idea that some "stranger" is disguising as someone that is well known and no one notice and the idea that one of the known people is disguising as Beatrice and Battler doesn't notice from 6+ meters in the darkness and heavy rain, the latter is more credible ^^;
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Old 2009-10-05, 20:38   Link #1097
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Welcome to Beatrice World.
Beatrice/Beato world = Silent hill's Other world...


Please tell me that Ryukishi would give us a Pyramid Head.
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Old 2009-10-05, 20:48   Link #1098
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actually, MARIA's dress always makes me think of Pyramid Head...
PH=Beato? he did have his own portrait in Silent Hill XD
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Old 2009-10-05, 21:07   Link #1099
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"Beatrice" is a problem, as we have rather a large number of them by this point:

1) Beatrice the Endless Witch of the meta-world, Battler's opponent (Beato).
2) Beatrice the witch of the portrait/Rokkenjima, who claims to be committing magical crimes in the magic scenes on the game board.
3) Beatrice the human girl who looked like the portrait and died in 1967.
4) "Beatrice" the "witch" who taught Beatrice the human girl sometime before 1967 (resembles Virgilia).
5) Kinzo's Beatrice.
6) "Beatrice" the witch physically present on the island in 1986.
7) Maria's Beatrice, whose handwriting later self-identifies as "Maria Ushiromiya."
8) EVA-Beatrice.
9) ANGE-Beatrice.

Did I miss any Beatos out there? Some of these are probably the same people (Maria's Beatrice I have good odds on being the physical "Beatrice" of ep2/4), and Eva and Ange probably don't really count (neither would Battler if he's technically "Beatrice" now, though he wouldn't see himself as such).
Don't forget:
10) Beatrice the Golden, who initially has the head's ring and apparently wants the family to solve the epitaph in order to choose the next successor
11) Beatrice who wrote the letters that weren't signed "Beatrice the Golden"
12) Beatrice who goes around sticking stakes in corpses
13) Beatrice who paints magic circles on some of the crime scenes (and in Gohda's extra tip)

The letters from #10 and #11 have a significantly different tone to them, so it's probably reasonable to think that the head's ring has changed hands several times. Maybe #10 gets killed and #11 steals the ring from the corpse?
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Old 2009-10-05, 21:22   Link #1100
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Who needs a Pyramid Head. We got Stakes, a mess of bunny girls, Iron Maidens, a mess of sexy demons, furnature, and Beatrices.
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