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View Poll Results: Vivid Strike! - Episode 2 Rating
Perfect 10 1 7.69%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 4 30.77%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 4 30.77%
7 out of 10 : Good 3 23.08%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 7.69%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2016-10-07, 22:05   Link #1
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Old 2016-10-08, 14:27   Link #2
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Old 2016-10-08, 16:01   Link #3
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just started watching this.
so this is a spin-off of the nanoha series where instead of battle magical girls, its a magical girl boxing series
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Old 2016-10-08, 18:09   Link #4
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I did not expect Fuka to be younger than Einhart. Within this timeframe that puts Einhart at (roughly) 13, Fuka at (roughly) 12, and Vivio (and co.) at (roughly) 11.

1000 times a day... yep. Same kind of instructions I get at my martial arts. Practice it over and over so often that you can do it unconsciously, that your body knows the movement without you thinking about it.

Vivio's movements these days are definitely way more like boxing than standard martial arts...

...Miura, lifting those weights while talking without strain is just showing off. Rio could do it one-handed.

Oy kids, trying to make Fuka do a transformation without a device or any training is going overboard.

A total fighter who is excellent at all ranges, particularly known for using grapples and throws, and possesses overpowering physical strength? ...Sieg! Have you been training this girl?!

Wait, how long ago was that argument? Something doesn't add up at the end, or somebody made a translation error, because Rinne only began fighting a year and a half ago. There's no way their argument was seven years ago. Also that sure sounded more like the words for one year than seven, to me.

I need to wait for a better translation. This one is missing lines in various places, and I'm questioning its accuracy.
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Old 2016-10-08, 19:35   Link #5
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I did not expect Fuka to be younger than Einhart. Within this timeframe that puts Einhart at (roughly) 13, Fuka at (roughly) 12, and Vivio (and co.) at (roughly) 11.

1000 times a day... yep. Same kind of instructions I get at my martial arts. Practice it over and over so often that you can do it unconsciously, that your body knows the movement without you thinking about it.

Vivio's movements these days are definitely way more like boxing than standard martial arts...

...Miura, lifting those weights while talking without strain is just showing off. Rio could do it one-handed.

Oy kids, trying to make Fuka do a transformation without a device or any training is going overboard.

A total fighter who is excellent at all ranges, particularly known for using grapples and throws, and possesses overpowering physical strength? ...Sieg! Have you been training this girl?!

Wait, how long ago was that argument? Something doesn't add up at the end, or somebody made a translation error, because Rinne only began fighting a year and a half ago. There's no way their argument was seven years ago. Also that sure sounded more like the words for one year than seven, to me.

I need to wait for a better translation. This one is missing lines in various places, and I'm questioning its accuracy.
I think it was definitely a translation issue. Pretty sure Fuka said one year. Which means they had that fight a year ago around the point that Rinne had been fighting for half a year.
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Old 2016-10-09, 00:08   Link #6
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That Jelly Einhart at the pv. The man who'll date Vivio is pitiable.
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Old 2016-10-09, 01:28   Link #7
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Once again, I get Dickesian vibes with Fuka's character in the second episode of Vivid Strike - orphaned, street-rat, finally get's a break, substantially changed childhood friend etc.... It makes me wonder whether the writer read a Dicken's work while coming up with the concept of Vivid Strike.

Also, two lines caught my attention this episode.

Firstly - the line where Rinne thanks her parents.... and her grand-father in heaven.

Secondly, the line where Vivio casually remarks that it seems as if Fuka is naturally born to fight.

The first line has different possible implications, depending on whether or not Rinne is an Artificial Mage/Project F child. If Rinne is neither of these two possibilities, but simply a freak of nature like Nanoha blessed with massive magical power, then this line possibly implies that Rinne was raised by her grand-father until her grand-father died while Rinne was sufficiently old enough to have formed impressions of her grand-father.

However, if Rinne is a Project F sample, and she is aware she is a Project F child (which would go a long way in explaining her current character) , she might be ironically thanking her creator, or the (now presumably dead) sponsor who funded her creation.

Secondly, Vivio's casual remark that it seems that Fuka was born to fight, might have ironic connotations later on. If indeed, this casual observation actually is the first hint that Fuka isn't a natural born mage, but an artificial born mage created to be a weapon, and then abandoned possibly during the fallout of the aftermath of the JS Incident. If this is the case, Fuka may well have quite alot in common with Nove Nakajima ironically, in that both were created as weapons. Vivio's casual remark on Fuka's power may be harsher in hindsight, later on, if it does turn out that Fuka was an abandoned Artificial mage weapon.

Finally, Vivid Strike is being cagey as ever, as to Einhart's past. It seems we have confirmation that Einhart is an orphan. But this leaves the question: is the master that initially trained her in the Hegemon Arts her own Master, or was it a Master out of Klaus memories? Who is her legal guardian? Where is Einhart's funding coming from and who is paying for her education? Vivid Strike at least acknowledges the enigma of Einhart - whether or not we are going to get answers is another question.

I have a crack theory about Einhart's background - she's actually not only a descendant of Klaus, she is also a descendant of one of the members of the High Council from Striker S that Due supposedly assasinated. My theory is that Due merely assassinated decoys and the High Council is still around. There is an Stratos Ingvalt sitting as a brain in the High Council, who also holds the same memories of Claus that Einhart does. Einhart is being sponsored much like Graham sponsored Hayate. If Fuka is an artificial mage weapon.....well, there might be more to Einhart approaching Fuka than simply Einhart reading talent at a glance.

As I've said, it's a crack theory, but I suspect that there is more to Hayate's worries in Vivid than simply so many Belkan descendants gathering in one place, within the same generation, so close to each other in age-groups. Especially when it seems to be implied that Belkan rare skills and memories do skip generations - and now, within a ten year margin, so many descendants of Ancient Belkan rulers bear the power, skills and even memories of their ancestors.
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But this leaves the question: is the master that initially trained her in the Hegemon Arts her own Master, or was it a Master out of Klaus memories?
Klaus is the master she's referring to. He invented the Hegemon style martial arts. Einhart knows it because she knows what he knew. Her training has merely been to develop her body and magic so that a female child can perform on the same level as a male adult.

Yes, she has also learned and adapted new things from Nove and Vivio and people she's fought since she joined the group, but no one has ever had to teach her the Hegemon style. Einhart was being cagey about her "master" because trying to explain to someone who hasn't been in the middle of all this kind of stuff that she holds the memories of an ancient Belkan king is not exactly the simplest conversation in the world.

Re: the rest of your theory, I think it's all pretty unlikely, but I'll let the show reveal where it's going by itself.
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Old 2016-10-09, 04:24   Link #9
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The first line has different possible implications, depending on whether or not Rinne is an Artificial Mage/Project F child. If Rinne is neither of these two possibilities, but simply a freak of nature like Nanoha blessed with massive magical power, then this line possibly implies that Rinne was raised by her grand-father until her grand-father died while Rinne was sufficiently old enough to have formed impressions of her grand-father.

However, if Rinne is a Project F sample, and she is aware she is a Project F child (which would go a long way in explaining her current character) , she might be ironically thanking her creator, or the (now presumably dead) sponsor who funded her creation.
Though there is some information regarding Project F, so far the only "known" successes are Fate and Erio. Both their "originals" were normal children (by midchildan standards).
However, when compared to them, Fate and Erio had greater magical potential...and Lightning-type Mana Conversion Affinity. It could be a coincidence that both have the same type of MCA...even so, this is a known side effect of being artifically created through Project F.
(There's also Vivio's case...but she might be an exception due to her being the Saint King's clone)

If Rinne is a Project F child she should have Lightning-type Mana Conversion (we haven't seen enough of her fighting to be sure of this)...or Project F has been advanced to the point that the creators can control what abilities the child has

So, either natural born, or artifical...this applies to both Rinne and Fuuka. We'll be wondering about that for a while.
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It's funny how she calls them shorties when they can dead lift 3 times their body weight and punch holes through a building.
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If Rinne is a Project F child she should have Lightning-type Mana Conversion (we haven't seen enough of her fighting to be sure of this)...or Project F has been advanced to the point that the creators can control what abilities the child has

So, either natural born, or artifical...this applies to both Rinne and Fuuka. We'll be wondering about that for a while.
Mind you, Project F is not the only Artificial mage project around. Even before Force, there was the Combat Cyborg Project, and the Infinite Desires Project that produced Jail Scagaletti. So, Rinne doesn't necessarily have to be a Project F child, nor is Project F necessarily confined to clones with Lightning-type Mana Conversion - Project F could have branched out to alternate abilities, without the creators really being able to control which abilities.

In-fact, the existence of alternate projects might mean that if both Fuka and Rinne are Artificial mage project rejects/abandonware, Fuka and Rinne are not from the same Artificial Mage projects. Timeline wise, Fuka and Rinne are just old enough to be plausibly "orphaned" at the time immediately following JS Incident before being able to form any memories (assuming they weren't activated at an older biological age.)

Of course, there could also be no dark conspiracies surrounding Vivid Strike. But given that Conspiracy was the basis of A's, Strikers, the Sound Stage X and Force, it wouldn't surprise me that Vivid Strike has yet another conspiracy, surrounding the origins of Fuka and Rinne. At least, I think it's reasonable to speculate starting from that supposition. Again, I could be proven wrong, and this really is Vivid minimal-level conflict in terms of theme and structure.
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Of course, there could also be no dark conspiracies surrounding Vivid Strike. But given that Conspiracy was the basis of A's, Strikers, the Sound Stage X and Force, it wouldn't surprise me that Vivid Strike has yet another conspiracy, surrounding the origins of Fuka and Rinne. At least, I think it's reasonable to speculate starting from that supposition. Again, I could be proven wrong, and this really is Vivid minimal-level conflict in terms of theme and structure.
True. And the mere fact that both Rinne and Fuuka were set up as orphans pretty much means the groundwork for said conspiracy is ready to be used

But for now we can only speculate, at least until more of the girls' background is revealed.

(off-topic: dammit Tsuzuki, stop using your mind reading device! I also have a story about two orphan girls with a mysterious past in a magical/fantasy setting)
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Even though Vivio managed to beat the top-ranked fighter via points decision, Rinne Berlinetta is very strong that it almost rivals that of Nanoha Takamachi and Fate T. Harlaown.

Meanwhile, I expect Fuuka Reventon to have her own intelligent device on the next episode.
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Eh I doubt Rinne is as strong as the Big 3. Those 3 are nearly in a class all their own.
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Yeah, "world champion" sounds impressive and all, but do they even compare to 10 years old Fate and Nanoha?
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That Jelly Einhart at the pv. The man who'll date Vivio is pitiable.
It's okay. Einhart's waifu is Yumina anyway.
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It's okay. Einhart's waifu is Yumina anyway.
Claus' memory won't allow that to happen.
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ok, basically they "adult form" is just they same size with just some better line and in some cases "boobs", but basically they still looking like 14 years old girls with just a hot body???

and for overall of this season so far (i not saw this section and was really looking for this anime thread to post), basically we have a season full of "cute girls" doing different things, like cute mahou shoujos or cute wrestling girl which is this case and others "cute animes on this season".

but i really liked this so far the fights really look interesting and so far don't looks like they will only focus on "cute girls doing cute things" and we can have a lot of focus on traning and battle.

really a good sort of "cute girl" serie for me.
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Claus' memory won't allow that to happen.
She got over it, and Yumina was introduced right after that
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Yeah, "world champion" sounds impressive and all, but do they even compare to 10 years old Fate and Nanoha?
Would like to see a full blown fight from someone like Rinne, but I don't think it is beyond the realm of possibility. Especially if we bring it to first season Nanoha and Fate by taking the cartridge system out of the equation. Both Nanoha and Fate have unbelievable abilities. But I don't think this episode could have gone further in saying that Rinne also has spectacular abilities. Both of those girls are incredibly powerful, but I don't think it is beyond belief that you can introduce new characters that equal them.

Unless they bring the Nanoha Magical Ranks into this show it may not be possible to say anything with certainty, but it seems possible. Honestly I think with both Rinne and Fuka they want to say they are comparable to Nanoha/Fate in terms of having insane skills or potential.
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