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Old 2011-09-27, 17:46   Link #1221
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Issues for characters they think they can get away with having bad things happen to. Force tries to have its cake and eat it too. And you definitely can't say it doesn't pander as much as ViVid.

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Old 2011-09-27, 17:58   Link #1222
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*shrugs* It doesn't make it bad though. It's nice seeing a bit of Midchilda and Nanoha in general without fate of reality and all that. After a while, gets kind of old. Glad that Force, so far, looks to be avoiding that too, even if it's still drastic.
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Old 2011-09-27, 18:11   Link #1223
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^ Take this to the Force thread by quote xD
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Old 2011-09-27, 18:19   Link #1224
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But... it's mostly about Vivid. I was just including Force because it's also an example of less extreme stakes. It'd just suck for a while, but unlike the Cradle, I'll be surprised if they manage to pose an intergalactic threat, at least in the long run.
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Old 2011-09-28, 01:33   Link #1225
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Vivid does't need to do something world changing anyway, it can do plenty with the characters. Characters changing is just as interesting to follow as a world changing.
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Old 2011-09-28, 01:59   Link #1226
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Definitely agree. I think the main issue is that we're also dealing with partial translations, so it's hard to tell what, if any, character development.
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Old 2011-09-28, 06:18   Link #1227
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Vivid does't need to do something world changing anyway, it can do plenty with the characters. Characters changing is just as interesting to follow as a world changing.
Not saying it has to, but the point is just that Vivid lacks that extra 'umph' and people might not be as thrilled by the manga because of it.
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Old 2011-09-28, 06:40   Link #1228
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Do you mean pain and conflict?
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Old 2011-09-28, 06:46   Link #1229
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Not saying it has to, but the point is just that Vivid lacks that extra 'umph' and people might not be as thrilled by the manga because of it.
Maybe. I myself am perfectly fine with Vivid lacking a world-at-stake drama. I would rather see them create some conflict by giving the rest of the cast not named Einhart some actual goals and motivations to fight in this tournament. One of the main reasons we're so exited about the Corona/Einhart match is because we know something is at stake for Einhart, whereas for the previous fight between handcuff-girl and gang-girl... nobody really cared who'd win. Maybe at most a "well, I kinda like this character better, so it'd be nice if she wins."
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Old 2011-09-28, 07:06   Link #1230
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I'm agree with you.

Actually, I personally question the Einhart's own motivation. If we look at some of the previous chapter, the objective was clear that she wanted to be friends with Vivio and friends. But if we see from chapter 4, she had said she ambitious "massacred all the great leaders who endanger Belka". This is what makes me doubt her ambition. Actually, what did she do? Whether she was on a mission to find his friend and his true identity, or just run a revenge mission?

If she attempted to make friends and tried to open herself, I understand, it can be. But if she really seeks revenge, I must say that behind shyness...

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If the second theory I suggested really proven, then I must say that Einhart ...

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Maybe it sounds a bit outrageous, but hey, don't be too serious.
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Old 2011-09-28, 09:29   Link #1231
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Einhart is receiveng a decent amount of developement. She's on the receiving end of a brutal beating at the hands of Corona but, unlike "certain other brutal beating" from Force, this one have a meaning for both characters and is guaranteed this will affect their goals and personalities.

Corona is showing why she won't be taken lightly, that her training did really pay off(with lots of interests xD). At the same time Einhart is discovering how really weak she is and how far she's from her goal, i can feel the blow on her ego during the last scans of Ch. 29. Undepently of the upcoming of the match i think Einhart will not be satisfied with the results of her training and will seek a method to become stronger, of course, Nove will be there to guide Einhart and prevent the girl from overworking herself.
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Old 2011-09-28, 09:47   Link #1232
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I'm agree with you.

Actually, I personally question the Einhart's own motivation. If we look at some of the previous chapter, the objective was clear that she wanted to be friends with Vivio and friends. But if we see from chapter 4, she had said she ambitious "massacred all the great leaders who endanger Belka". This is what makes me doubt her ambition. Actually, what did she do? Whether she was on a mission to find his friend and his true identity, or just run a revenge mission?

If she attempted to make friends and tried to open herself, I understand, it can be. But if she really seeks revenge, I must say that behind shyness...

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If the second theory I suggested really proven, then I must say that Einhart ...

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Maybe it sounds a bit outrageous, but hey, don't be too serious.
Well, dark ass pulls have proven to be popular *glances at Madoka*
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Old 2011-09-28, 09:51   Link #1233
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At least this is a good news for her. Actually, what kind of training that she receive from Nove?

If she was not satisfied with what she got, whether she should do to lead to more extreme way? From making her hands bleed until she had to take special medicines to double fold times her magic abilities?

I hope Nove could do the best as a teacher and coach. As for Ein, I hope don't force herself too much and too ambitious.
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Old 2011-09-28, 09:57   Link #1234
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Wonder if Ein will have conflict with her new view of things and the results of this fight. She could relate her lack of strenght as the consequence of becoming "soft", being more relaxed and taken things more lightly since she started to hang out with ViVio & Co. and under Nove's care, after all, she did beat Nove which means she's under the training of someone weaker than her. Only for Nove to show her that things aren't like that and telling her to have patience to start noticing the results.

....of course, a rematch of Ein Vs. Nove would be pretty nice xD.
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Old 2011-09-28, 10:15   Link #1235
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At least so. As long as what she did don't lead to something crazy. Even more crazy than Homura.

I myself found some similarities between Einhart with Homura from Madoka Magica. Both are equally good in terms of sports and has an attractive appearance that makes it popular among St. Hilde school. Talking about her IQ anyway, I don't know. Maybe same level as Shikamaru, perhaps

Even they share similarities about her obsession. Vivio and Madoka respectively.

But unlike Einhart, Homura develops her badassery through the journey from time to time to save the people he loved, although she not interested in what around her. I myself wanted to see if she could do the same thing as Homura.
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Old 2011-09-28, 10:25   Link #1236
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Nah, Einhart has her ancestor's memory plaguing her. That's close enough already.
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Old 2011-09-28, 10:47   Link #1237
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Yeah. If just added the aloof behavior for Einhart, maybe she twice as cool.
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Old 2011-09-28, 14:23   Link #1238
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*shrugs* I think Einhart is plenty cool as it is. She seems plenty human so far, and I think they've done a good job with her so far, though more could show up in the future, hard to tell what they'll do exactly.
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Old 2011-09-28, 20:20   Link #1239
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Einhart is quite good for now but using Mamiko Noto as her voice make her a little weird. It makes her a little deadpan.
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Old 2011-09-28, 20:57   Link #1240
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She can do other voices besides that, honestly.
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