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Old 2009-08-26, 20:10   Link #21
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I'm going to say that there are times when Kyon seems too snarky to me; when the snark is so heavy laden that it contributes to the "unreliable narrator" effect that some of us here have pointed out.

Beyond that... I really don't see what's cool about always being negative.

Seriously.

Sure, a fair number of his comments and jokes are funny, but he goes overboard at times too, I think.

I'd much rather hang out with somebody upbeat like Haruhi. All in all...

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Old 2009-08-26, 20:14   Link #22
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You want too much snark? Check out the Haruhi-chan OP. He snarks to the point of sounding exhausted.

But, to be fair, he does have to curb Haruhi's drive. With her status, "drive" can translate into something that is out of control.
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Old 2009-08-26, 20:34   Link #23
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Old 2009-08-26, 20:36   Link #24
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Er, that answer has got to be "no".
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Old 2009-08-26, 20:40   Link #25
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If there's one thing that bugs me about Kyon it's his overblown praise of Mikuru (particularly in the novels). Yes she's cute, we get it Kyon.

Kyon's got more going for him than just the snark though. He has his moments of cleverness, like in the end of the Sigh Arc.

Blah I wish I can come up with more to say. I always seem to blank when it comes to forum discussions.
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Old 2009-08-26, 20:50   Link #26
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If there's one thing that bugs me about Kyon it's his overblown praise of Mikuru (particularly in the novels). Yes she's cute, we get it Kyon.
Funny, his romanticizing over Mikuru is one of the things I like about Kyon. It shows that he's genuinely capable of positive thinking from time to time. Granted, I think that he blows Mikuru's appearance a bit out of proportion vis a vis what he says/thinks about Haruhi and Yuki (both of which being above average in physical appearance, imo), but for me, I'd like to see him recognize Haruhi and Yuki's good looks more instead of appreciating Mikuru's less.
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Old 2009-08-26, 21:00   Link #27
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Well, I think he is awesome in the novel too. Though Sugita really does a exellent job (I am kinda going to watch Kannon onlt because of him).

But, about the 'unreliable narrator' part. Sure, he certanly don't say all he can about his personal feelings, as Disappearance can show us very well. But some seens to act as he is aways lieing, even whe describing something. Why people get this idea? There is some point in the books he does something like that? I so, where?
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Old 2009-08-26, 21:07   Link #28
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Old 2009-08-26, 21:42   Link #29
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Funny, his romanticizing over Mikuru is one of the things I like about Kyon. It shows that he's genuinely capable of positive thinking from time to time. Granted, I think that he blows Mikuru's appearance a bit out of proportion vis a vis what he says/thinks about Haruhi and Yuki (both of which being above average in physical appearance, imo), but for me, I'd like to see him recognize Haruhi and Yuki's good looks more instead of appreciating Mikuru's less.
His compliments regarding Mikuru sometimes feel like purple prose to me, not quite Stephanie Meyer quality, but still sickeningly sweet. He totally puts her on a pedestal. I might be over exaggerating it though. I just remember when I first read the novels there was so much praise for her that I just got tired of reading it.

...Well it could be worse I guess. At least Kyon's compliments have some class to them.

His compliments regarding Haruhi and Yuki sound much more natural. And yeah I would also like for Kyon to compliment Haruhi and Yuki more.

Doesn't he pretty much say that Haruhi is as good-looking as Mikuru? I think there was something along those lines in Endless Eight (novel version anyway).
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Old 2009-08-26, 23:15   Link #30
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Does anybody think if Kyon were to wear a trench coat he'd look like the most recent Doctor or Doctor Who?
... and Mikuru is his TARDIS...

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I was giving an example of a girl who isn't blatantly attracted to Kyon.

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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2009-08-27, 02:02   Link #31
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I always thought that Kyon's (over) complimenting of Mikuru was more to do with the fact that he can't admit to himself that he actually likes Haruhi more. A kind of "No! Mikuru is the one I like, not anyone else!" type of thing Almost 'forcing' himself to compliment her so he doesn't have to think of Haruhi.

That's just the way I saw it. ^^;
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At first, that isn't the case. Later on, possibly.
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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2009-08-27, 03:56   Link #33
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I'm going to say that there are times when Kyon seems too snarky to me...

Beyond that... I really don't see what's cool about always being negative.

...I'd much rather hang out with somebody upbeat like Haruhi. All in all...

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If you had to save the world on a regular basis (with no powers) and had to keep pace with Haruhi... You'd be a little overly snarky too.

Oh, and real life "genki" people ("genki" that's the nice way to put it...) aren't that fun to be with. The same goes for real life clumsy people... they aren't cute.
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Why'd you bring up clumsy people? There's no one overly clumsy in Haruhi outside the spin-offs.
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... well at least it's consistent...
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Old 2009-08-27, 04:13   Link #35
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Why'd you bring up clumsy people? There's no one overly clumsy in Haruhi outside the spin-offs.
I think we could fit Mikuru in the "clumsy" people category.
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Old 2009-08-27, 04:17   Link #36
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Old 2009-08-27, 04:22   Link #37
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I think we could fit Mikuru in the "clumsy" people category.
It's nowhere near being a defining aspect for her, though. That'd be like saying Kyon is overly cheerful because he's smiled once or twice.
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Good points. I gues this prooves Kyon is a lier... (when talking about Haruhi that is it)
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It's nowhere near being a defining aspect for her, though. That'd be like saying Kyon is overly cheerful because he's smiled once or twice.
Her cicada is all the proof I need.
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Or could it be that Kyon has a little more faith in Haruhi and has grown a little? I think that's the case.
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Old 2009-08-27, 05:18   Link #40
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Technically... Mikuru has no intentions of pursuing a relationship with Kyon. If not for Haruhi's (and Nagato's) retribution, then because history says she didn't, so she can't.
Do we know this for certain? I mean, was there actual dialogue in the later novels to this effect?


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Haruhi and Kyon are both examples of people who look attractive, but possess personalities that often clash with others.
Yes, I'd agree with that. I still think that Kyon comes off as a mostly quiet eccentric loner, though, to most of his class; I doubt that most of his classmates know what his personality is really like (Haruhi, on the other hand...). Kyon's association with Haruhi simply means he comes across as a bit less of a loner, but now as much more eccentric.


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I always thought that Kyon's (over) complimenting of Mikuru was more to do with the fact that he can't admit to himself that he actually likes Haruhi more. A kind of "No! Mikuru is the one I like, not anyone else!" type of thing Almost 'forcing' himself to compliment her so he doesn't have to think of Haruhi.

That's just the way I saw it. ^^;
No offense, but this strikes me as a HaruhiKyon shipper really grasping for straws.

Also, I dislike the heavy layers of pretentiousness that some fans are reading into Kyon and Koizumi - such a notion makes them far less likable as characters, imo.

It's really not that hard to simply accept that Kyon finds Mikuru more attractive than Haruhi. It's really not. Yes, Haruhi has a great look herself, but if Kyon's main thing is basic cuteness and/or breast size, Mikuru genuinely has Haruhi beat there.


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If you had to save the world on a regular basis (with no powers) and had to keep pace with Haruhi... You'd be a little overly snarky too.
No, I wouldn't be.

Not to say I'd handle it terribly better than Kyon does, but snark is rarely my coping mechanism of choice. Quite the contrary, my coping mechanism of choice is usually to try to look on the bright side of things as much as possible.

If I was in Kyon's shoes...

1) I'd be less snarky

2) I probably would have had a worse, more long-term traumatized reaction to the Asakura incident... but not snarky so much as I'd be more jumpy and a bit more cautious. I think that most people would have, honestly. Kyon's got serious guts, I'll give him that.

3) I'd simply refuse to pay out Haruhi's outrageous financial penalties, whatever the consequences... or, if Kyon's financially loaded (as I frequently suspect since he never objects to those penalties), I'd be more generous upfront to avoid the degrading nature of taking such financial penalties.

4) I would have taken Itsuki up on his "I love you" suggestion from the endless summer arc. If it works out well... great. If it doesn't, I can always blame Itsuki.

5) Overall, I'd be enjoying it all a lot more than Kyon is.


Beyond that, I'm not sure. Overall, Kyon has a lot of guts, I'll give him that.


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Oh, and real life "genki" people ("genki" that's the nice way to put it...) aren't that fun to be with. The same goes for real life clumsy people... they aren't cute.
I know real life people with domineering take-charge personalities like Haruhi. I met them in College. They're usually a blast to hang out with. At the high school level, I would have loved to have had a friend like Haruhi.
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