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Old 2009-09-16, 05:05   Link #141
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I totally agree with you.
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IIRC Kyon didn't call Haruhi by her given name until after the Haruhi's dream event in the last part of Melancholy.



My point is at that time he's pretty sure that Haruhi has some feelings for him.
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Old 2009-09-16, 05:24   Link #142
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IIRC Kyon didn't call Haruhi by her given name until after the Haruhi's dream event in the last part of Melancholy.


My point is at that time he's pretty sure that Haruhi has some feelings for him.
Are you sure? I don't ever remember he caling her 'Suzumiya' either.

Btw, there is something very wrong with the link of that images.
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Old 2009-09-16, 10:12   Link #143
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Kyon pretty much used "Haruhi" from the start.

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Old 2009-09-16, 10:46   Link #144
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No, in actual conversation he indeed started with calling her "Suzumiya", at least when he spoke her name aloud. During the first "Mikuru Rape", he shouted "Su-Suzumiya!". It might be hard to catch but he doesn't start calling her Haruhi to her face until later in the book.
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Old 2009-09-16, 10:51   Link #145
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Here's screenshot with sub form Melancholy 3 and Baka-Tsuki's translation chapter 5 excerpt.


"Say, Suzumiya. Do you know the story of the 'Blue Bird of Happiness'?"


It's common in Japan to call each other by family name, unless they are very close.
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Old 2009-09-16, 12:36   Link #146
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No, in actual conversation he indeed started with calling her "Suzumiya", at least when he spoke her name aloud. During the first "Mikuru Rape", he shouted "Su-Suzumiya!". It might be hard to catch but he doesn't start calling her Haruhi to her face until later in the book.
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Here's screenshot with sub form Melancholy 3 and Baka-Tsuki's translation chapter 5 excerpt.


"Say, Suzumiya. Do you know the story of the 'Blue Bird of Happiness'?"


It's common in Japan to call each other by family name, unless they are very close.
I see, thank-you you two. Oddly, he sees to reffer to her as 'Haruhi' since the begining. Using 'Suzumiya' only few times, whn directly speaking to her. This might be why I get confused.

This also open a new question. Is the narration really his toughts? Or he is telling/writing it from the future?

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Old 2009-09-16, 13:02   Link #147
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Old 2009-09-16, 13:14   Link #148
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Old 2009-09-16, 13:20   Link #149
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Old 2009-09-16, 13:27   Link #150
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Old 2009-09-17, 03:16   Link #151
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Old 2009-09-17, 03:25   Link #152
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We had already stoped 14 hours ago. And the spoiler tags are needed for everything that didn't appear in the anime yet.
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Old 2009-09-17, 03:53   Link #153
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Oh...

Carry on then.
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Old 2009-09-17, 11:16   Link #155
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Anyway, we've discussed Kyon's awareness of Haruhi's feelings toward him a few weeks ago. This is the link to my post on the topic, but to summarize:
Spoiler for Sighs II, Live Alive, novel 9:

Well It's pretty much a given at this point that Kyon knows Haruhi has feelings for him. His denial and subsequent contradictory actions tend to hint at his true feelings rather than those expressed.

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I must say that I think that this thread has recently taken a bit too much of a Kyon x Haruhi shipping bent. The way I see it, we've got to take Kyon's failure to pursue Haruhi at face value (more so considering the spoiler above) and just say that she just annoys him too much.
It has nothing to do with Shipping really. The Majority of the Haruhi fanbase agree that this is the most likely Canon ending so therefore we are discussing it. The problem with your arguement is..Well that Kyon doesn't need to pursue Haruhi at face value he already has her in his hands. He just needs to take the chance. Oh and by Book 9 he pretty much admits he loves what Haruhi does and isn't really annoyed by her. Hell he loves the weird things she does.

Even he starts to come around to the idea in Book 9, beforehand he would never even admit it. It's character development really.

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I'd say that so far in the story, Kyon would prefer a relationship with Asahina more than with any of the other girls—and the relationship would fail, on many grounds.
Openly Kyon would say himself he would prefer a relationship with Mikuru, However we already know that it really isn't the case. He finds Haruhi much more interesting than he does Mikuru. Mikuru is basically his "white knight" crush and nothing more.

Haruhi and Kyon is basically pushed at every possibility while everything else is totally ignored in terms of development or even internal referencing.

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More generally, I think that Kyon and the three girls would have to develop and mature more for any of the pairings to work. We're not going to see any couples in this series until we see some more important character development happen.
Yea i totally agree, The only one at this point which COULD happen in Book 10 would be Haruhi and Kyon although that would have to be written very well for it to work. The rest...Oh man they would be so pathetic and forced it's unreal.

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Taking anything Kyon says about how he feels at face value is an exercise in futility.

Case in point:

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Two other things: a) KyonxMikuru has pretty much been impossible from the beginning, and if you don't believe that Kyon, at the very least, cares about Haruhi a hell of a lot, you need to read Vol. 4 again.
Totally agreed with the entire post.

Especially the last point.

Disapperance and the subsequent novels is really where the serious development starts (Since TMoHS Ep 6 at the very least). That and Kyon is a CLASSIC unreliable narrator. Attempting to piece his true feelings and intentions without taking in the Hints and subtle additions is just inconcieveable.
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Old 2009-09-17, 15:18   Link #156
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I think the biggest tell on Kyon's true feelings for Sasaki was something she said in passing during her second meeting with him in Chapter 1.

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Old 2009-09-24, 10:11   Link #157
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Re: Heatth & Kogetsu name discussion...

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Old 2009-09-24, 16:40   Link #158
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Tornadium - This is my current take on Kyon's approach to Haruhi...

I think that the author has skillfully set things up so that he can believably go with out a romance being set up between them, or with a romance set up between them.


If it doesn't happen, he can say "Well, Kyon obviously snarks a lot about Haruhi. She really does annoy him a lot at times. He can tolerate that in a friend, but not in a life partner."


If it does happen, he can say "Well, as many Haruhi fans point out, Kyon is an unreliable narrator. Hence, a lot of what he narrates and says you can't take at face value."


So... he's left it open to either 'play it straight' (mostly anyway) or 'play it self-deceiving' (mostly anyway).
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Old 2009-09-25, 17:59   Link #159
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Re: Heatth & Kogetsu name discussion...

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You forgot 'Mikuru Asahina' is also most probably a fake name. I would agree with you few books ago. However
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Old 2009-09-26, 02:34   Link #160
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You forgot 'Mikuru Asahina' is also most probably a fake name. I would agree with you few books ago. However
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