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View Poll Results: Bakemonogatari - Episode 8 Rating
Perfect 10 58 42.96%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 47 34.81%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 22 16.30%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 3.70%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 2.22%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2009-08-31, 20:54   Link #141
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I like that.... Superman and Batgirl ... makes PERFECT sense.

That means Hanekawa would be ??
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Old 2009-08-31, 20:56   Link #142
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That means Hanekawa would be ??
Alfred, clearly.
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Old 2009-08-31, 21:00   Link #143
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Do anyone notice that Araragi is calling Kanbaru "Kanbaru~san" at the end of episode 8?
Why??
To avoid the wrath of Senjougahara??
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Old 2009-08-31, 21:09   Link #144
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Do anyone notice that Araragi is calling Kanbaru "Kanbaru~san" at the end of episode 8?
Why??
To avoid the wrath of Senjougahara??
obviously.
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Old 2009-08-31, 21:09   Link #145
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Do anyone notice that Araragi is calling Kanbaru "Kanbaru~san" at the end of episode 8?
Why??
To avoid the wrath of Senjougahara??
I think he was just confused and dumbfounded to find her outside his house.

Oh, and his sisters are hilarious as ever, not to mention cute.
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Old 2009-08-31, 21:20   Link #146
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Do anyone notice that Araragi is calling Kanbaru "Kanbaru~san" at the end of episode 8?
Why??
To avoid the wrath of Senjougahara??
He does it when he is sarcastic or mock-serious. He did the same when he asked if she really wasn't wearing underwear under her tights.
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Old 2009-08-31, 21:36   Link #147
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I like that.... Superman and Batgirl ... makes PERFECT sense.
Yep, that's definitely how I see them too, personality-wise.


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Alfred, clearly.
Bingo!
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Old 2009-09-01, 00:07   Link #148
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She's pissed.

And, frankly, she has every right to be.

Araragi didn't trust her; he lied to her, and he willingly put himself into a vicious potentially lethal meat-grinder with out even notifying her first.
I'd say Araragi trusted Senjougahara. Okay, maybe it's more accurate to say that he trusted she'd kill painfully anyone who would dare to attack her boyfriend like that.

You're right though, Hitagi's rightfully pissed.
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Old 2009-09-01, 00:24   Link #149
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When you factor both of these together, Hitagi's actions make sense and are in-character.
Ice Queen, methinks fits better

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Perhaps it's fitting then that Hitagi has Batman-esque unshakable calm and cleverness.
Since we are at Batman ... does Tsubasa fit Robin's role.
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Old 2009-09-01, 01:34   Link #150
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I don't like Bleach-level insane damage soak (as Araragi displayed here).
Bleach is nowhere near this level of insanity. AFAIK, no intestine is shown in Bleach.
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Old 2009-09-01, 05:05   Link #151
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Damn this was a pretty messy episode. Araragi powers up a little and ends up being swung by his intestines....Not sure if it snapping was a good thing or a bad thing. At least he stopped flying around by his internal organs. Still impressed that he managed to survive and be alright the next day. At the same time it must be a nightmare to clean his clothes with all the blood that was covering them.

I thought Senjougahara would be upset about Araragi not telling her what was going on and breaking their promise. Good thing Oshino made the call and got Senjougahara there. The timing was perfect.

In the end the situation was resolved. Of course Kanbaru picks up a side effect of the whole thing. Like Araragi having his super healing, Kanbaru will have some great arm power. Wonder if Senjougahara plans on using Kanbaru like a bodyguard for Araragi? He may have the ability to survive just about anything, but he does willingly walk into dangerous situations.

Even after things were cleared up couldn't bring myself to really dislike Kanbaru. It's true that many get those dark desires now and then. Can remember a few times I'd have loved something bad to happen to classmates I really hated. Glad there wasn't a rainy devil in the picture . It's fine now anyways. Araragi is still kicking and Kanbaru's soul is still hers.
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Old 2009-09-01, 08:40   Link #152
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When you factor both of these together, Hitagi's actions make sense and are in-character.
I actually found Senjougahara's actions and tirade at the end to be almost sweet and romantic. She berated him for always taking the path where he suffers, and recognizes that he'd do it even without his vampyric powers, yet she immediately turns around and recognizes that as one of the reasons she admires him.

Her actions show concern for him, and a very practical focus on saving his life be stopping the devil. What she doesn't show is horror at the gore or deformity of the monkey arm.

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Araragi is incredibly self-sacrificing/idealistic in his desire to help others. He takes it to an extreme that I don't know if I've ever seen in anime/manga before. The closest analogy in all of fiction that I can think of, honestly, is Superman...
Yet there's something that does seem damaged about him. I hope the series takes the time to develop him out of a purely sacrifical lamb phase and into something more active. Oddly he's now reminding me of a well done version of OZ in Pandora Hearts, a character who is accused of having the same character flaws, but is really not developed with the same nuance.
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Old 2009-09-01, 10:01   Link #153
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Sorry to lower the level of the discussion but even if stupid there's a question that is bothering me... Does Tsukihi cut her hair? (seem a lot shorter to me, and indeed cuter) I'm seeing all sort of hidden meaning in this
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Old 2009-09-01, 11:40   Link #154
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I actually found Senjougahara's actions and tirade at the end to be almost sweet and romantic. She berated him for always taking the path where he suffers, and recognizes that he'd do it even without his vampyric powers, yet she immediately turns around and recognizes that as one of the reasons she admires him.

Her actions show concern for him, and a very practical focus on saving his life be stopping the devil. What she doesn't show is horror at the gore or deformity of the monkey arm.
Yes, I see what you're saying here. I also felt that she softened on Araragi pretty fast, and quickly became fairly sweet to him.

She's not truly cold to Araragi at all; it's just that she's unflappable. It's not quite the same thing.


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Yet there's something that does seem damaged about him. I hope the series takes the time to develop him out of a purely sacrifical lamb phase and into something more active. Oddly he's now reminding me of a well done version of OZ in Pandora Hearts, a character who is accused of having the same character flaws, but is really not developed with the same nuance.
I agree that there's something a bit... off about Araragi. It's difficult to put into words, but it's probably somehow related to his sacrificial lamb phase. But then, that's a lot of what makes him interesting, so I'm fine with it, at least for now.
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Old 2009-09-01, 11:48   Link #155
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I agree that there's something a bit... off about Araragi. It's difficult to put into words, but it's probably somehow related to his sacrificial lamb phase. But then, that's a lot of what makes him interesting, so I'm fine with it, at least for now.
It would be pretty interesting to see more of his background. I hope that it will be more revealed in upcoming episode. Or else we can only hope that Shaft will do Koyomi Vamp after this series.
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Old 2009-09-01, 12:05   Link #156
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Alfred, clearly.



I loved the episode, 10 Senjougahara saved the day

I also loved what Koyomi said about Oshino:

"You... Even compared to the devil, you're such a magnificent bastard."


I like Oshino's character a lot too. At first if I didn't know he's fighting in the good side, I would think he has the look of a bad guy. But he is stronger than the devil Sakurai does a great work in Voice Acting him

Loved this episode.
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Old 2009-09-01, 12:24   Link #157
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I also loved what Koyomi said about Oshino:

"You... Even compared to the devil, you're such a magnificent bastard."
Ah yes, Oshino Meme, the man who interprets oddities and gives them meaning that eludes all others. He's definitely an enigma of his own, and a potentially dangerous one too. His theme music describes his personality very well, I feel.

Personally, I'm curious who he fought with in the fast-forward flashback shown in Ep1. He was depicted carrying a huge upside-down crucifix (suggesting what, I wonder? That he's the anti-Christ? More accurately, though, that's the Cross of St Peter he wears as earrings), facing down a sinister, cloaked figure, with poor Araragi caught in the middle.

Novel readers may know, but I don't need to get the answer right now. Maybe after the anime is over, I'll try to find out more.

More importantly, I'm still clueless as to the significance of the "rainy devil". I'm not particularly sure how it is related to Kanbaru's monkey paw, or to her situation. There is supposedly something about Kanbaru's personality or household that is associated with water, or Senjougahara wouldn't have alluded to it in Ep6 ("water above, fire below"). Or perhaps she's suggesting that Kanbaru is hiding a burning hatred under her surface calm?
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Old 2009-09-01, 13:02   Link #158
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Ah yes, Oshino Meme, the man who interprets oddities and gives them meaning that eludes all others. He's definitely an enigma of his own, and a potentially dangerous one too. His theme music describes his personality very well, I feel.

Personally, I'm curious who he fought with in the fast-forward flashback shown in Ep1. He was depicted carrying a huge upside-down crucifix (suggesting what, I wonder? That he's the anti-Christ? More accurately, though, that's the Cross of St Peter he wears as earrings), facing down a sinister, cloaked figure, with poor Araragi caught in the middle.

Novel readers may know, but I don't need to get the answer right now. Maybe after the anime is over, I'll try to find out more.

More importantly, I'm still clueless as to the significance of the "rainy devil". I'm not particularly sure how it is related to Kanbaru's monkey paw, or to her situation. There is supposedly something about Kanbaru's personality or household that is associated with water, or Senjougahara wouldn't have alluded to it in Ep6 ("water above, fire below"). Or perhaps she's suggesting that Kanbaru is hiding a burning hatred under her surface calm?
The clip shown in the beginning ep is from Kizumonogatari so you won't find the answer in this season.

The monkey's paw was just Kanbaru's mistaken interpretation of her Kaii. She found it when she was in grade school if I remember right. The anime left out the comprehensive explanation.
Spoiler for explaination of rainy devil:


Hitagi's joke about the flood and fire just meant that she was planning to set fire to Kanbaru's house and I guess the flood is from the firefighters raining water onto it.
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The monkey's paw was just Kanbaru's mistaken interpretation of her Kaii. She found it when she was in grade school if I remember right. The anime left out the comprehensive explanation.
Spoiler for explaination of rainy devil:
That was also explained in anime but through those Japanese texts.
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Old 2009-09-01, 13:10   Link #160
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Nah I think you are mixed up. A monkey paw would try to grant the wishes in an evil way. The Rainy devil which she had is a contract where it grants your 3 wishes and then it gets your soul. Despite what she said she wished for, she was covering up the truth that she really wished for Koyomi to die so her and Hitagi could be together instead. Same with the scene in the past.
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