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Old 2009-09-29, 16:47   Link #1021
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Have a heart?

I'm the only one who thinks Rafaela didn't kill her sister and never planned too, and you're asking ME that?

Looking back though, you and Cyclone seem to have similar ideas , so their is at least a concensus more or less on what happened
that moment. Only part that gets me is the whole"Luciella dying and Rafaela putting her humanity in her". My lighter-colored way of thinking is just that she simply beat back the Awakened side of her and attempted to replace it with her humanity she's been keeping inside of her.
Well, Raffaella really did intend to kill Luciella. Rubel even said something along the lines that Raffaella's purpose to join the organization was to redeem her sister. Only way she could do that was by killing her. Like I said, Claymores are condition to believe that once you awaken, there's no going back. Only way for Raffaella to redeem her sister was by killing her.

That being said, I don't see Raffaella actually trying to transfer her humanity into Luciella, not to mention the resulting creature birthed from doing what she did was anything but human.
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Well, Raffaella really did intend to kill Luciella. Rubel even said something along the lines that Raffaella's purpose to join the organization was to redeem her sister. Only way she could do that was by killing her. Like I said, Claymores are condition to believe that once you awaken, there's no going back. Only way for Raffaella to redeem her sister was by killing her.

That being said, I don't see Raffaella actually trying to transfer her humanity into Luciella, not to mention the resulting creature birthed from doing what she did was anything but human.
That is where we split - you should read Cyclone's posts because they make alot of sense.

Rafaela is a cold cruel person, and Claymores are indeed conditioned to see anything that is not a Claymore as trash or monsters, but their are too many questions: Why did she and her end up merging? Why didn't she regenerate her eye? why didn't she ever use youki? why didn't she just chop off her head with her sword? why did she use youki only when she started hugging her? why this, why that?
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That is where we split - you should read Cyclone's posts because they make alot of sense.

Rafaela is a cold cruel person, and Claymores are indeed conditioned to see anything that is not a Claymore as trash or monsters, but their are too many questions: Why did she and her end up merging? Why didn't she regenerate her eye? why didn't she ever use youki? why didn't she just chop off her head with her sword? why did she use youki only when she started hugging her? why this, why that?
Clare might be able to enlighten us in the future with all those questions. The merging was probably an accident on her part, but I'm thinking it actually wasn't. I believe she was using Youki in order to merge with her sister and kill her as an individual, while at the same time taking her own individuality. Call it a more advanced version of the soul link but the end result was the termination of the two souls and the birth of a single soul. The process was incomplete though, because Raffaella ultimately retained her own consciousness for a short while.
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Old 2009-09-29, 17:02   Link #1024
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i think rubel said something like this (too lazy at the moment to actually look at the pages):

(with my own extra commentary lol)

"you are still keeping your yoki suppressed, in hopes of meeting luciela again? forget it, it is impossible!!! you can't save her!!!"

"no wait... you don't want to save her... you want to atone for all the damage you done from your failure with the soul link. you think all the dead claymores and luciela awakening and everything is all your fault. you want to rectify it, by killing luciela. you made luciela, so it should be you who kill her. that's what you want isn't it? to kill luciela, to the kill monster, you created?"

"actually... ahhhh, you want to do both....... rubel smiles..... you think you're that powerful huh rafaela, that you can play god.... rubel walks off smirking...."
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rafaela while hugging luciela.... couldn't decide whether to go through with killing her sister or not.... but than she luciela's yoma talk... and remembered rubel's (or maybe it was anothr black coat's) words, "in the end rafaela's heart was too weak; soft".... rafaela wasn't going to let her weak heart get in the way of what she must do, KILL luciela. which rafaela did over come her weak-soft heart and killed luciela (just like irene. rafaela was originally very kind, aka her "weak heart", but after the loss of her sister she steeled herself up with ruthless cold dutiness. she killed irene without a hint of sadness).

luciela is dead as is seen in her limp hanging hand.

than the manga shows the huge explosion of yoki release....

this is probably rafaela trying to pour her life force or pour luciela's yoki back into her...... and the 2nd disaster happened causing them to merge...
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Old 2009-09-29, 18:19   Link #1025
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i think rubel said something like this (too lazy at the moment to actually look at the pages):

(with my own extra commentary lol)

"you are still keeping your yoki suppressed, in hopes of meeting luciela again? forget it, it is impossible!!! you can't save her!!!"

"no wait... you don't want to save her... you want to atone for all the damage you done from your failure with the soul link. you think all the dead claymores and luciela awakening and everything is all your fault. you want to rectify it, by killing luciela. you made luciela, so it should be you who kill her. that's what you want isn't it? to kill luciela, to the kill monster, you created?"

"actually... ahhhh, you want to do both....... rubel smiles..... you think you're that powerful huh rafaela, that you can play god.... rubel walks off smirking...."
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rafaela while hugging luciela.... couldn't decide whether to go through with killing her sister or not.... but than she luciela's yoma talk... and remembered rubel's (or maybe it was anothr black coat's) words, "in the end rafaela's heart was too weak; soft".... rafaela wasn't going to let her weak heart get in the way of what she must do, KILL luciela. which rafaela did over come her weak-soft heart and killed luciela (just like irene. rafaela was originally very kind, aka her "weak heart", but after the loss of her sister she steeled herself up with ruthless cold dutiness. she killed irene without a hint of sadness).

luciela is dead as is seen in her limp hanging hand.

than the manga shows the huge explosion of yoki release....

this is probably rafaela trying to pour her life force or pour luciela's yoki back into her...... and the 2nd disaster happened causing them to merge...
first off.... ur memory is awesome. i tracked down the pages that ur mentioning & its fairly accurate.


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as for the weak heart comment it was from one of the higher up's right after luciela awakens for the first time.
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Old 2009-09-29, 20:42   Link #1026
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Tomorrow is the last day of the month, shouldn't we have gotten fake spoilers by now?

I looked, and I found nothing.
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Old 2009-09-29, 21:06   Link #1027
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Tomorrow is the last day of the month, shouldn't we have gotten fake spoilers by now?
Jump Square comes out on the 4th of each month in Japan, but China/Hong Kong usually break the street date.
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Old 2009-09-29, 21:13   Link #1028
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The Luciella topic again?
Raphaela doesn't talk much, so people should note that it's Rubel who's talking. What went on in Raphaela's head is something we are not privy to yet.
I just don't understand how people can think the fusing thing was an accident though.
Anyways, I wont summarize years worth of posts here (unless I really have to)
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Old 2009-09-29, 21:18   Link #1029
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Jump Square comes out on the 4th of each month in Japan, but China/Hong Kong usually break the street date.
Oh I know that, I just figured we'd see some spoilers by now.

Let's hope this month isn't as wacky as September - and by that, TSS doesn't feel like hogging the chapter forever and we debate about the translations long before we get the issue
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Old 2009-09-29, 21:21   Link #1030
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Oh I know that, I just figured we'd see some spoilers by now.

Let's hope this month isn't as wacky as September - and by that, TSS doesn't feel like hogging the chapter forever and we debate about the translations long before we get the issue
If anything, I'm sure Yagi would up the WTF factor.
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Old 2009-09-29, 21:28   Link #1031
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If anything, I'm sure Yagi would up the WTF factor.
He better not.

I don't think so, but if he knows what's good for him, he'll stop creating something new and let us deal with what we have on our plate.

I've said this before: Cliffhangers are nice, but enough with creating more things to remember and stronger and stronger monsters. He's creating new things to deal with and plots faster then he is resolving them. I hope he doesn't bit off more then he can chew and give us a rushed ending.

I trust him though, and I don't think this new chapter will be crazy and unexpected. Honestly, I think this new chapter is going to be pretty straightforward.

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Since showing us the Ghosts fighting would be useless(just more of what we already saw for most of 95), he's most likely to go into what happened with Riful and Alicia, naturally, since that was the cliffhanger. We MIGHT see a page or two I suppose of the Ghosts, but I'm not expecting much else.

So unless the focus shifts to the gals at Rabona, something with Raciella or someone and something else, I think it's pretty likely that half or so of 96 will revolve around Raki and Priscilla and the thorn-monsters in the town they are in.
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Old 2009-09-29, 22:01   Link #1032
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Old 2009-09-29, 23:29   Link #1033
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What's the point to have fake spoiler?

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Aaaaand...?

It was not only reasonable but also rationale. Her land had just been conquered by Isley. However,Raphaela came to Luciela on her time of need.
The most intelligent decision would be to take advantage of Raphaela's power and eliminate Isley while he was weak. That way, not only would Luciela regain the South but she would also leave the Northern's throne vacant and ready for the taking.
Exactly what we should expect.
That's why I said I couldn't blame her.

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I don't think so, but if he knows what's good for him, he'll stop creating something new and let us deal with what we have on our plate.
At least they're still based on the old knowledge of the series. The totally new being is actually DOD. IMO There are many things which still need more explanation. I'm sure Yagi-sensei didn't put all of them in the plate just to give WTF moment without any consideration. I don't write this because I'm optimistic too. For example, when father Vincent wrapped the bandages over Clare's clothing in chapter 7. I'm sure no one expect any explanation from him in chapter 82. That is sure a very long time and it really surprises me. If Yagi-sensei really cares to explain on such small detail then I don't see why he won't give more explanation later on bigger parts. Every chapters have some connections with each other. They are mostly not a stand alone chapter like extra scenes. Or we can say fillers just to please fans like in some other series. At this point, I think that Rafaella's memories will surly play a big part in the future.
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Old 2009-09-29, 23:53   Link #1034
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All I'm saying Zato, is that I hope their won't be anything new added in terms of characters, at least not for awhile.

In a way, I'm glad Isley is dead, one less person to think about.

And a fake spoiler would at least give us something to talk about.
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I understand, I just express my opinion toward yezhanquan's post too.

About those kitty monsters. I think that they look strong because there are many of them like AE. But team fight is also one aspect in Claymore.
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I understand, I just express my opinion toward yezhanquan's post too.

About those kitty monsters. I think that they look strong because there are many of them like AE. But team fight is also one aspect in Claymore.
It's not just quantity, it's quality. They are on a completely different level then the AE's.

The AE's are collective unit that are assassins if anything; they are made to fight only one person again and again until they are able to beat them. They are good at what they do, but for all their adaption, that's all they are good at.

The monsters however, are on a completely different level, especially power. They have no such adaption, but their sheer power, I would say depending on who you're thinking of, are over Number 2-ranked. They are definitely stronger then Rigardo and Agatha. I wouldn't call them Abyssal, but they are pretty close. Not only that, but they don't have the weaknesses of the AE's, can fight alone, have no clear weakness, and get stronger through infection.

In short, the monsters are unbeileveably stronger then the AE's. I'm sure if they were conditioned to fight these new creatures and reached the point they could fight them easily, it would matter, but even then, they aren't made to fight more then one opponent at a time. The AE's don't have a single strong advantage over them at all.
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this is a first..... but appreicate a compliment.... don't get them much.... and usually people say my memory is way off..... meh.....
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What's the point to have fake spoiler?
I read your question and I was thinking "Oh yeah, what is the use of a spoiler that's fake?" Anyways, some spoilers turn out to be so ridiculous they're hilarious and give off a good laugh.
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Old 2009-09-30, 04:28   Link #1039
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Have a heart?

I'm the only one who thinks Rafaela didn't kill her sister and never planned too, and you're asking ME that?
I once had a theory about this as well. You aren't the only one
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Spoiler for First fake spoiler, I think:
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