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Old 2007-04-16, 18:11   Link #81
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You'll find your question answered under the "EDIT" of the last post i made. I think you meant how the third obeyed the fourth.....and the third never did obey the fourth, A hokage selects a new Hokage when he/she is retiring from being a ninja due to being affected by old age which was the case of the third hokage....he didnt elect the fourth hokage and then continue doing missions under him he temporarily retired from being a ninja. For that same reason Tsunade would not do missions under the 6th Hokage which would most likely be Naruto.
U talk something else what i talk !

I said 4th obeyed 3th becouse 3th was Hokage !

Then u said you believe ANBU is a rank then answer this, why is it that you can leave ANBU (seeing it's a rank)?

And i said .. that u can leave any rank if u want (chunin, jounin, anbu, hokage).. like Jiraiya did!

Then u r talking about Jiraiya have legendary sanin rank or whatever and u explain something without any reason becouse he dont have Konoha rank so he leaved them..

Which i said that jiraiya left his ranks chunin, jounin .. so that mean u can leave
any rank if u want ..

So what do u want now ? i told u everything u wanted and u still talking something. I even gave link of Konoha ranks and u still want something which i dont know what u want..

Do u want to say that ANBU is not rank ? even if i answeared on your question which was supose if i can answear u will acknowledge ANBU is rank ?!
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Old 2007-04-16, 18:24   Link #82
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U talk something else what i talk !

I said 4th obeyed 3th becouse 3th was Hokage !

Then u said you believe ANBU is a rank then answer this, why is it that you can leave ANBU (seeing it's a rank)?

And i said .. that u can leave any rank if u want (chunin, jounin, anbu, hokage).. like Jiraiya did!

Then u r talking about Jiraiya have legendary sanin rank or whatever and u explain something without any reason becouse he dont have Konoha rank so he leaved them..

Which i said that jiraiya left his ranks chunin, jounin .. so that mean u can leave
any rank if u want ..

So what do u want now ? i told u everything u wanted and u still talking something. I even gave link of Konoha ranks and u still want something which i dont know what u want..

Do u want to say that ANBU is not rank ? even if i answeared on your question which was supose if i can answear u will acknowledge ANBU is rank ?!
ANBU is no rank... this is explained by Kakashi in Volume 2 Chapter 2 page 6

That's what your link says.
"In order to become a Kage, they have had to climb the proverbial ladder from the Genin rank".
This ladder is:
Academy Student
Genin
Chuunin
Jounin
Hokage
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Old 2007-04-16, 18:35   Link #83
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ANBU is no rank... this is explained by Kakashi in Volume 2 Chapter 2 page 6

That's what your link says.
"In order to become a Kage, they have had to climb the proverbial ladder from the Genin rank".
This ladder is:
Academy Student
Genin
Chuunin
Jounin
Hokage
As i said it post before this .. it is not usual rank .. but it is rank ..
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Old 2007-04-16, 18:50   Link #84
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U talk something else what i talk !

I said 4th obeyed 3th becouse 3th was Hokage !

Then u said you believe ANBU is a rank then answer this, why is it that you can leave ANBU (seeing it's a rank)?

And i said .. that u can leave any rank if u want (chunin, jounin, anbu, hokage).. like Jiraiya did!

Then u r talking about Jiraiya have legendary sanin rank or whatever and u explain something without any reason becouse he dont have Konoha rank so he leaved them..

Which i said that jiraiya left his ranks chunin, jounin .. so that mean u can leave
any rank if u want ..

So what do u want now ? i told u everything u wanted and u still talking something. I even gave link of Konoha ranks and u still want something which i dont know what u want..

Do u want to say that ANBU is not rank ? even if i answeared on your question which was supose if i can answear u will acknowledge ANBU is rank ?!
Im telling you ANBU isnt a rank thats what im getting at if you couldnt already tell.
I wouldnt acknowledge ANBU being a rank because quite simply it isnt.
You wouldnt want to leave any proper rank because there would be a downfall mainly being degraded to taking low class missions all the time, seeing as ANBU isnt a proper rank there isnt a downfall if you leave which is why people like Kakashi do.

Ranks are for those who work under their villages Hokage and since Jiraiya doesnt anymore he doesnt have an official rank. If he were to go back to serving Konoha's Hokage he would have the same official rank he left with meaning he didnt drop a rank but it was more like his former rank was ineffective while he wasnt in service to the hokage. He would still have his same former rank which was probably Jounin but he would just be reffered to as a legendary sannin, just like Jounin in ANBU are reffered to as ANBU...this doesnt mean that it is a rank it is just a title like Jiraiyas.

Basically if your saying ANBU is a rank then with that logic Sannin is also a rank which is also wrong.
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Old 2007-04-16, 19:01   Link #85
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Im telling you ANBU isnt a rank thats what im getting at if you couldnt already tell.
I wouldnt acknowledge ANBU being a rank because quite simply it isnt.
You wouldnt want to leave any proper rank because there would be a downfall mainly being degraded to taking low class missions all the time, seeing as ANBU isnt a proper rank there isnt a downfall if you leave which is why people like Kakashi do.

Ranks are for those who work under their villages Hokage and since Jiraiya doesnt anymore he doesnt have an official rank. If he were to go back to serving Konoha's Hokage he would have the same official rank he left with meaning he didnt drop a rank but it was more like his former rank was ineffective while he wasnt in service to the hokage. He would still have his same former rank which was probably Jounin but he would just be reffered to as a legendary sannin, just like Jounin in ANBU are reffered to as ANBU...this doesnt mean that it is a rank it is just a title like Jiraiyas.

Basically if your saying ANBU is a rank then with that logic Sannin is also a rank which is also wrong.
ANBU work under Hokage and for Konoha!

Hmm .. ok this is last time i will try to convince u that ANBU is rank and that ANBU even have ranks.

It is said that Itachi was ANBU captain/leader so that mean they have ranks ..
Also there is special training for NE ANBU which also mean that NE is ANBU rank too ..
Also when Zabuza was "killed" Haku showed as ANBU. When Kakashi saw him he didnt argue with Haku when Haku said that he will take Zabuza body, becouse he was dressed like ANBU Kakashi knew that ANBU work direct under Hokage, and that would be like arguing with someone who is superior then your rank even becouse it is ANBU it was like arguing or disobedience Hokage.

Even with that link u wont acknowledge that ANBU is rank ! U have your opinion ..
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Old 2007-04-16, 19:29   Link #86
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By saying "ranks are for those who work under their villages Hokage" this doesnt mean ANBU is a rank, I was referring to Jiraiya not having a rank because he doesnt fall under that category, many people work under the Hokage like medical teams and decoders and the ANBU however those aren't ranks....they are factions under the Hokage from which people with ninja ranks may enter. There are only 3 ranks under the Hokage which are Genin, Chuunin and Jounin.

There maybe ranks within ANBU like squad leader but this doesnt mean ANBU is a rank itself, It's just like how Gennin, Chuunin and Jounin are Ninja ranks but Ninja itself isnt a rank.
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Old 2007-04-17, 00:52   Link #87
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ANBU work under Hokage and for Konoha!
ANBU are the guys under all Kages... not only the one from Firecountry.
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It is said that Itachi was ANBU captain/leader so that mean they have ranks ..
They have special divisions... that doesn't make it an actual ninja rank.
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Also there is special training for NE ANBU which also mean that NE is ANBU rank too ..
Same as above.
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Also when Zabuza was "killed" Haku showed as ANBU. When Kakashi saw him he didnt argue with Haku when Haku said that he will take Zabuza body, becouse he was dressed like ANBU Kakashi knew that ANBU work direct under Hokage, and that would be like arguing with someone who is superior then your rank even becouse it is ANBU it was like arguing or disobedience Hokage.
Haku would have worked for Mizu- not Hokage. Kakashi didn't interfere because he thought Zabuza was dead and the normal task of a Hunter-nin, which Haku was, is do dispose of dead bodies. He didn't want to risk a war or something like that.
Really you should get your facts right ( in other threads too!!) before posting such things.
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Even with that link u wont acknowledge that ANBU is rank ! U have your opinion ..
No I don't.
ANBU is an organization working directly under Hokage. That's why if you are
ANBU you still have an official ninja rank.


Again a small Tab for you:

Official Rank (For getting better Jobs/more Money (it is a job after all)):
Academy Students
Genin
Chuunin
Jounin (with special Jounin)
Kage

Organizations:
ANBU (with Hunter and Root, etc.)
Military Police
Niju Shotai

Special declarations:
S-Class
Medical-Nin
Apprentice
Missing-Nin
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Old 2007-04-17, 03:27   Link #88
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ANBU are the guys under all Kages... not only the one from Firecountry.
Konoha ANBU dont work for other hokages ..

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They have special divisions... that doesn't make it an actual ninja rank.

Haku would have worked for Mizu- not Hokage. Kakashi didn't interfere because he thought Zabuza was dead and the normal task of a Hunter-nin, which Haku was, is do dispose of dead bodies. He didn't want to risk a war or something like that.
Really you should get your facts right ( in other threads too!!) before posting such things.
Really u should read my post ( in other threads too ) or u will be funny once again ..

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No I don't.
ANBU is an organization working directly under Hokage. That's why if you are
ANBU you still have an official ninja rank.
Actually u dont have official rank while u r in ANBU .. like Yamato didnt have or Sai .. If Yamato leave ANBU then his rank will be restored .. they even dont have name ..

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Again a small Tab for you:

Official Rank (For getting better Jobs/more Money (it is a job after all)):
Academy Students
Genin
Chuunin
Jounin (with special Jounin)
Kage

Organizations:
ANBU (with Hunter and Root, etc.)
Military Police
Niju Shotai

Special declarations:
S-Class
Medical-Nin
Apprentice
Missing-Nin
Dont u see there, that Jounin from official ranks do same missions as ANBU or ANBU have even more dangerous missions ... even that jounin have ranks like Special jounin and Elite jounin, as ANBU have ranks NE, Captain/leader ..

And ANBU same as "official ranks" get money for missions so that is too job .. and if u mean that harder missions is better job then ANBU have best job ..

As i said before .. ANBU is not in same status as official ranks but ANBU is decidedly kin of rank and ANBU have his own ranks too ..

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Old 2007-04-17, 08:18   Link #89
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Really u should read my post ( in other threads too ) or u will be funny once again ..
So, would you mind telling me why? I simply answered your post. And sorry if I don't get it sometimes, but you're English is sometimes really hard to read - no offense though! Mine isn't perfect either.
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Actually u dont have official rank while u r in ANBU .. like Yamato didnt have or Sai .. If Yamato leave ANBU then his rank will be restored .. they even dont have name ..
Do you know who Ibiki Morino is?
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Dont u see there, that Jounin from official ranks do same missions as ANBU or ANBU have even more dangerous missions ... even that jounin have ranks like Special jounin and Elite jounin, as ANBU have ranks NE, Captain/leader ..
Only because ANBU has ranks in it's organisation doesn't make it a ninja rank!!!
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As i said before .. ANBU is not in same status as official ranks but ANBU is decidedly kin of rank and ANBU have his own ranks too ..
It's so funny debating with you. Everytime I reveal that things aren't like you said, you just try to excuse yourself by saying "some kind" or giving limitations.

ANBU IS NO RANK!!!

It has ranks because it is an organisation, and every organisation has ranks.
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Old 2007-04-17, 08:52   Link #90
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Do you know who Ibiki Morino is?
He is Special Jounin, Specialised in torture and interogations.. that is his rank Special Jounin .. This only prove that Itachi wasnt chunin rank ..

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It's so funny debating with you. Everytime I reveal that things aren't like you said, you just try to excuse yourself by saying "some kind" or giving limitations.
Actually it is u .. i just keep saying same as before and i just keep backing it up with kind of proofs .. but u just keep writing something without any backup ..

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ANBU IS NO RANK!!!
Like this ..
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Old 2007-04-17, 09:12   Link #91
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He is Special Jounin, Specialised in torture and interogations.. that is his rank Special Jounin .. This only prove that Itachi wasnt chunin rank ..
He is commanding officer of the ANBU torture and interrogation squad AND Jounin!
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He is commanding officer of the ANBU torture and interrogation squad AND Jounin!
Actually he is not ANBU captain, nor he have anything with ANBU .. he is leaf assassination squad torture and interrogation captain. But his rank is still Special Jounin !

Chapter 43 page 5 ..

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U should understand what u read ..
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I thought I read that in a Data Book or something like that... but perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me. But that doesn't change the fact that ANBU consists of Chuunin, Jounin and Special Jounin and is no rank. It is an organisation under the direct control of Hokage.
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Actually he is not ANBU captain, nor he have anything with ANBU .. he is leaf assassination squad torture and interrogation captain. But his rank is still Special Jounin !

Chapter 43 page 5 ...
That is ANBU...
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to clear things out this is the ANBU explanation on wiki

Spoiler for ANBU(i put spoiler tags cuz its a bit big):


if youre still confused heres an analogy...

ANBU is to ninja as to SWAT/"the green berets" is to the police/military

its not a rank, its a faction within the order of the military/police
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Old 2007-04-17, 14:49   Link #96
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I thought I read that in a Data Book or something like that... but perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me. But that doesn't change the fact that ANBU consists of Chuunin, Jounin and Special Jounin and is no rank. It is an organisation under the direct control of Hokage.
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Old 2007-04-17, 17:24   Link #97
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For the most parts that is correct, exception to recent unveiling of Anbu “Roots”. Since from the way things look “Roots” although are Anbu are not under the Hokage’s control. It seems that they are under Danzou’s control.

Seems to me you guys are arguing because you have a different prospective of ranks by definition. Although technically speaking if an Anbu Captain command’s a squad it’s clear that they have a ranking system. But in Naruto “world” it doesn’t mean anything since we have been told on more than one occasion that even a Genin can lead a squad of Jounins if the Genin is more suitable to lead the mission. So therefore an obvious conclusion would be is, what is stated in the Data book. There are only 4 different ranks, unless you count the academy which I wouldn’t since it’s like boot camp for kids and just training.
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Old 2007-04-17, 17:26   Link #98
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Hmm as i see it .. Ibiki is not ANBU, he is Special Jounin who is captain of ANBU squad for torture and interrogation. He command ANBU only for torture and interrogation, becouse he is specialist for that, and only one who control ANBU is Hokage .. even tho Ibiki control ANBU squad for etc, he is still Special Jounin and not ANBU.

Yes it consist of chunins, jounins, special jounins, elite jounins, but once they enter ANBU they loose their ranks, names and they r ANBU .. till they dont leave ANBU. Like when Yamato or Sai left .. they got their names and their ranks and Sai never was in Academy ..

If we have to trust wikipedia who dont have anything with kishi or manga .. then i would say that ANBU is organisation and that ANBU is not rank, and there is only ranks in ANBU .. but i hardly can believe that wiki is so truthfull in this matter.

EDIT: Yes second group of ANBU is NE ANBU (Roots) which is in command of Danzou (who created it on his own will).. but still i think Hokage can control them too ..
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People, please use Spoilers, this is not a Manga thread.

Spiro, Ibiki is indeed member of ANBU, he is a charge of ANBU branch that specialize it in Interrogation.
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People, please use Spoilers, this is not a Manga thread.

Spiro, Ibiki is indeed member of ANBU, he is a charge of ANBU branch that specialize it in Interrogation.
If Ibiki is ANBU he would wear mask .. also read again chapter 43 page 5 where Asuma say that Ibiki is Special Jounin.
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