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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 12 Rating
Perfect 10 77 44.51%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 57 32.95%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 22 12.72%
7 out of 10 : Good 11 6.36%
6 out of 10 : Average 4 2.31%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 1.16%
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Old 2009-09-20, 20:48   Link #221
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Well, my copy of Umineko EP4 finally came in the mail earlier this week. It was unfortunate that I didn't get to finish EP2 before the Anime as I would have liked to, and instead only finished it shortly after episode 11. But I thought that finally I'd be able to get a new experience of playing the VN before seeing the Anime with EP3, instead of the other way around where I was exposed to the Anime first for EP1 and EP2 (actually, the Manga before the Anime, even, for EP1, so I did know some of the things they rushed through in that arc). I actually just got about as far into EP3 today as where the Anime ended...a little further, but I specifically passed on watching the subbed episode when it came out so that I could see it in the VN first.

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Really hoping DEEN can keep this up for the rest of the series. I've never been a great fan of their adaptations (they utterly ruined my favorite Manga ever, GetBackers, so I hold a bit of a grudge...), and Umineko has been a bit of a rollercoaster ride so far...episode 6 (the beginning of Turn) was also excellent, so I'm going to try not to get my hopes up from this, but I really enjoyed this episode a lot and can't wait to see Rosa's story next week. 9/10 from me.

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Old 2009-09-20, 21:03   Link #222
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Not too much to say about this episode, some more info gathering, but I admit to watching the new OP a few times. And Battler finally getting with Beatrice with something was nice. It is good enough to keep my attention.
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Old 2009-09-20, 21:34   Link #223
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For the ones that think the adult's talk takes up too much time, it was supossed to be like that in all previous Episodes as well, so I guess they decided to save the adult talk until it became more interesting (like the events in this Episode).

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after watching it again, am I the only one that feels like eating a burger after watching the intro ? also, young eva's hips are really wide.

For the anime only viewers, did those dialogs give you the feeling that eva was being discriminated, not because she was born second to krauss, but because she was born a woman ? they cut a lot fo lines form the novel that imply that.

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Old 2009-09-21, 11:28   Link #224
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after watching it again, am I the only one that feels like eating a burger after watching the intro ? also, young eva's hips are really wide.

For the anime only viewers, did those dialogs give you the feeling that eva was being discriminated, not because she was born second to krauss, but because she was born a woman ? they cut a lot fo lines form the novel that imply that.
not sure if it's discriminated, but she's really ill-treated and kind of pushed aside by the way Kinzo said to her. It's as if her job is to find a "useful" man instead of being successful herself. I am sure the VN will contain more emotional lines than the anime, but if the main message is "discrimination" I think the anime had got the basics covered.

I felt like saying this again, the new OP is pretty sweet, especially the shot after the fight between the two "Beatrice"s. For some reason I just love the composition of the image.

BTW, what's the name of the BGM that's played when the momentum is all with meta-Battler? I want to hear what the full version is like.
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Old 2009-09-21, 14:05   Link #225
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BTW, what's the name of the BGM that's played when the momentum is all with meta-Battler? I want to hear what the full version is like.
It's called "Core" or 問い詰め

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmnwu2gEG-E
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Old 2009-09-21, 14:08   Link #226
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Old 2009-09-22, 09:49   Link #227
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One of the better episodes so far I watched. The fast pacing wasn't really felt terribly this time.
Spoiler for anything, really..:

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Old 2009-09-22, 10:23   Link #228
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Umm that name is still a spoiler at this point, might wanna get rid of it...
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Old 2009-09-22, 11:18   Link #229
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Nah she said explicitely who she was in the episode.
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Old 2009-09-22, 11:18   Link #230
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did the VN specify how and how long it takes for Beatrice to become a witch? or was that information revealed late in the story as a major spoiler? I mean, if you can become a witch whenever you want to and have a witch agree to help you, seems like Beatrice has found her successor in Maria already~ Of course that's if Beatrice doesn't cut her into pieces first, or maybe that's necessary for becoming a witch perhaps? If that's the case, Beato's sadistic nature can in some aspects be explained
the crazy taco-maria in EP2 tea party kind of punched a big gigantic hole into my theory though....XD

that said, how come I don't feel annoyed by maria's u~u~! much since after the first episode? weird...maybe the story isn't too focused on that anymore.

That said, with the introduction of various new characters in the OP, I think there will be a lot more magic scenes that we should be beware of. Also at the same time, possibly more epic fight scenes that might rival Rosa-Musou's potential to look forward to.
Can't wait for next episode and more Ronove action
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Old 2009-09-22, 17:11   Link #231
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Hmm, well this episode was actually really good. In fact I thought it did a much better job than the VN. I really like seeing Middle Aged Kinzo, Teen Krauss, and Teen Eva. It's a shame that the VN's didn't have any character pictures AT ALL during that scene.
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Old 2009-09-22, 20:43   Link #232
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This is nitpicking I know, so forgive me ^^;

Anyway Krauss and Eva in that scene with the younger Kinzo were probably around their twenties. After all Eva was discussing about going to the university, she must have been 18 or around that age. Krauss is 2 years older than Eva so he must have been 20 years old there.
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This is nitpicking I know, so forgive me ^^;

Anyway Krauss and Eva in that scene with the younger Kinzo were probably around their twenties. After all Eva was discussing about going to the university, she must have been 18 or around that age. Krauss is 2 years older than Eva so he must have been 20 years old there.
What I find weird is that Young Krauss looks like a younger version of himself... yet he STILL looks a lot older than George. Because of his face, I assumed he was pushing 30 or something... I mean, I know that they can't change his design TOO much, the transition from "bishounen" to "middle aged man" can't be too severely drastic (unless you're a main character like Battler or George anyway... I doubt they'll be pretty boys in their 40's and 50's though since they're both supposed to take after their fathers and... well... yeah... ^^; ) but he still didn't look quite young enough to me.

Same goes for Young Eva, she doesn't necessarily look old or anything... but she gave me the impression of somebody in her twenties. If compared with other characters who are about (18), she seems a little older... but this is just nitpicking and my personal view on them.
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Old 2009-09-23, 10:13   Link #234
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yeah, I agree that (young) krauss and eva look far older than jessica and george which should be around the samge age as them.
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Old 2009-09-24, 00:32   Link #235
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Younger, long haired Eva is rather attractive.
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Old 2009-09-24, 01:59   Link #236
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Same goes for Young Eva, she doesn't necessarily look old or anything... but she gave me the impression of somebody in her twenties. If compared with other characters who are about (18), she seems a little older... but this is just nitpicking and my personal view on them.
I think its fine. She shouldn't be too young at that time.

Spoiler for for those who haven read the VN:
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Old 2009-09-24, 02:38   Link #237
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I think its fine. She shouldn't be too young at that time.

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Hmm well a bit younger would be appropriate I think.

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Old 2009-09-27, 14:45   Link #238
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So in the past , they were 2 beatrices , one a witch , the other a princess who currently is a witch .(or human)
Hmm? "I killed beatrice"
Well , this anime is so confused .
Maybe all is delusion .

ow i watched the op . News characters introduced . Seems like the girl with red hair is an important character .

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Old 2009-09-30, 02:12   Link #239
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With Tomokazu Sugita voicing Ronove, and Daisuke Ono voicing Battler, have I been watching too much SHAFT anime if I'm disappointed that Battler didn't tell Ronove his face was too close when they first met in Beatrice's little pocket dimension?
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Old 2009-09-30, 02:22   Link #240
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I don't think he had too. The audiance did it for him.
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