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View Poll Results: Bakemonogatari - Episode 12 Rating
Perfect 10 271 79.94%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 41 12.09%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 13 3.83%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 1.47%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 0.59%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 0.59%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 0.59%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 3 0.88%
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Old 2009-09-25, 19:49   Link #61
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Subs seem legit. Although given ickem's wonderful translation earlier, it would be easy enough to do most of it from that.

In any case, drop it like it's hot...
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Old 2009-09-25, 19:49   Link #62
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No, they didn't do more than kiss. Senjougahara specifically said that she's still scared to do with Koyomi what the lowlife tried to do to her so she asked him to wait until she could deal with it. They did kiss, though.
There are levels in between, aren't there?
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Old 2009-09-25, 19:50   Link #63
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Of course they kissed, it panned up, only time I've seen people say panning up didn't equal kissing is when delusional shippers from a show last year said it wasn't... Even though it's been used in countless shows, anime and live action over and over...
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Old 2009-09-25, 19:56   Link #64
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I find it interesting that while Araragi never uses honorifics when talking to people, he's too embarrassed to call Senjougahara by her given name without adding -san.

Actually, I find the way he talks to people interesting in general. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't calling everyone by family name without honorifics balancing in some weird level between distance and somewhat rude familiarity? The fact that he doesn't change the pattern at all no matter who he's talking to (except his sisters for obvious reasons) is also interesting.
As far as Koyomi sees it.

Calling Hitagi by her first name without the san, is as good as proposing. All they have to do is set the wedding date.

Everything else is fair game.

Including the nickname Gahara-san, which he settles into calling her.
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Old 2009-09-25, 19:57   Link #65
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Are they real, somebody?
It's possible they might have used ickem's translation as a template to sub the episode.
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Old 2009-09-25, 20:05   Link #66
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I really wish they showed it. I really don't like it when they do pan-ups at situations like this, I'd rather see things than imagine them. >.<
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Old 2009-09-25, 20:06   Link #67
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Of course they kissed, it panned up, only time I've seen people say panning up didn't equal kissing is when delusional shippers from a show last year said it wasn't... Even though it's been used in countless shows, anime and live action over and over...
Why must you bring back the memories!

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As far as Koyomi sees it.

Calling Hitagi by her first name without the san, is as good as proposing. All they have to do is set the wedding date.

Everything else is fair game.

Including the nickname Gahara-san, which he settles into calling her.
Well he already calls Hitagi's dad "father".
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Old 2009-09-25, 20:08   Link #68
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No, they didn't do more than kiss. Senjougahara specifically said that she's still scared to do with Koyomi what the lowlife tried to do to her so she asked him to wait until she could deal with it. They did kiss, though.
In this case she doesn't want Koyomi to hate her and run out of patience waiting especially with
Spoiler for 0:
... That also one of her fears.

However, Koymois sexual patience is one of the KEY ingredients as to why she chose him. She is at ease, so much so
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He gives her a refreshing relationship. One that will give her time to heal and grow. Once she does, Koyomi will be up to his eyeballs in
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Old 2009-09-25, 20:15   Link #69
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There are levels in between, aren't there?
Given what you know about Hitagi's proclivities so far, given what you saw her doing in the SUV to poor Koyomi behind her Fathers back, you really think the kissing they did was the ordinary boring garden variety ?

I bet she knows the make and model number on Koyomis tonsil and lungs.
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Old 2009-09-25, 21:23   Link #70
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This [dd] sub keeps referring Kanbaru as "senior". Kouhai should be "junior" if I recall.

Otherwise 10/10 on this one. Senjougahara ... err . . .Hitagi is what makes this show awesome. Chiwa Saito's cut, dry delivery and straightforwardness delivers each awkward line in a fascinating way. Shaft also took great care to animate nearly every voiced line compared to Koyomi.

This was also a decent way to end the television airing of the show. Some repetitiveness in the animation and limited scenery due to most of the story taking place in her dad's car is alright based on how previous episodes. Certainly, it did not falter like episode 10.
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Old 2009-09-25, 21:33   Link #71
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a great episode... It makes me want to fall in love with hitagi. too bad I can't be araragi. this episode is definitely the best bakemonogatari episode.
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Old 2009-09-25, 21:39   Link #72
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AHAHA... Otoosan! Otoosan! Senjougahara is just awesome. So glad she is back, missed the damn character quite a bit. Guess I picked up the series at the right time. She's so authoritative and manipulative (all in a good way), display of experience without any experience at all, it all adds up to one strangely cute character.

Car was great... yeah definitely great. Oh yeah, about what happen at the end... about bloody time! Wait wait, I/we didn't see anything O_o
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Old 2009-09-25, 21:44   Link #73
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Finished with sub. This is truly magnificent. Senjougahara... Oh no I mean Hitagi I think that we can see her blush for the first time. She is amazing as usual. It looks like she knows that some audiences still doubt about her relationship. So she decide to pull the stunt once again.

What a romantic episode. This is the best episode I've ever seen in any love comedy/drama series. At last a unique, wonderful and touching series that doesn't rely on tragedy elements like death or heartbroken etc... A truly breath of fresh air. Thank you Shaft for animating Bakemonogatari.



Otou-san is not happy here.
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Old 2009-09-25, 21:48   Link #74
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Amazing..... and we get 3 more episodes after this... and then a proper DVD version with actual animation
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Old 2009-09-25, 21:55   Link #75
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...? Wasn't the title of this episode Tsubasa Cat...? Eh...

Hitagi finally reappears this episode. It was a really good episode, but it felt like they just inserted the episode here to end the TV episodes in a "good way" instead of just continuing the arc and cutting it halfway...
I actually ended up liking Hitagi's father more than Hitagi herself... Otou-san... (;ω;`)

Kind of laughed when the episode connected with Mani Mani though...

It was a good episode, anyways. Left everything for the actual arc open though...
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Old 2009-09-25, 21:58   Link #76
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...can't use words right,....SENJOUGAHARA...BACK!!!!

10/10 easy
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Old 2009-09-25, 22:07   Link #77
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Otou-san is not happy here.
That's actually Koyomi's reaction to what Hitagi was whispering.

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...? Wasn't the title of this episode Tsubasa Cat...? Eh...

Hitagi finally reappears this episode. It was a really good episode, but it felt like they just inserted the episode here to end the TV episodes in a "good way" instead of just continuing the arc and cutting it halfway...
I actually ended up liking Hitagi's father more than Hitagi herself... Otou-san... (;ω;`)

Kind of laughed when the episode connected with Mani Mani though...

It was a good episode, anyways. Left everything for the actual arc open though...
This episode is based on chapter 3 of the Tsubasa Cat arc and Koyomi, Hitagi, and Hitagi's dad are the only characters in the chapter. The entire Bakemonogatari series is about Koyomi and his growth so while each arc focuses on a different girl, the underlying story is Koyomi's. Their relationship also plays a huge part in this arc.
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Old 2009-09-25, 22:09   Link #78
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Amazing.

One word pretty much sums it up.
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Old 2009-09-25, 22:53   Link #79
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I'm speechless.

10/10
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Old 2009-09-25, 22:56   Link #80
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For a change, I watched the raw version and although 99% of the dialog escaped me, I could follow what was going on. What a wonderful performance by Saitou Chiwa. She has a way of saying "I don't like it" so that it is universally understood. Very nice episode!
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