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View Poll Results: Do you think that given the US laws, Polasnki should be judged for the crime he has d
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Old 2009-09-29, 14:11   Link #41
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The US "Justice?" System.

Los Angeles Police Department

They think Polanski was a stain to LAPD's reputation.
I thought they forgot about him... but i guess not.
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Old 2009-09-29, 14:47   Link #42
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There is no dispute about his guilt. His later success only helped to illustrate what's wrong with the entertainment business, European justice and the decline of public morals. He is NOT some lamb lead to the slaughter by some Judas goat. He is the Judas goat!
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:13   Link #43
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As a believer of meritocracy I was going to come and defend Polansky on the basis of his past work, but given the tendency this thread is showing I think I would be lynched.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:16   Link #44
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As a believer of meritocracy I was going to come and defend Polansky on the basis of his past work, but given the tendency this thread is showing I think I would be lynched.
Then why you posted ?

How can you forgive someone because of his past work ? He commited a crime, he must go to jail. There is no exeption.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:17   Link #45
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As a believer of meritocracy I was going to come and defend Polansky on the basis of his past work, but given the tendency this thread is showing I think I would be lynched.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:18   Link #46
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I'm gonna make it clear and simple.
Anybody that flees the USA, after pleading guilty, while on bail awaiting sentencing deserves to be dragged back kicking and screaming!
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:23   Link #47
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How can you forgive someone because of his past work ? He commited a crime, he must go to jail. There is no exeption.
Meritocracy. If he is jail he is no longer useful in society, moreover he becomes a leech esque being. Outside of jail he would be able to do more contributions to the movie culture world than he would otherwise. Of course I wouldn't mind him going to jail when he retires and is no longer useful. Actually, this 'look to the other side' tacit agreement that had worked for ~35 years can be considered to have been something on these lines.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:28   Link #48
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Well, I wonder how forgiving & charitable the Hollywood types would be if their under-aged daughter, niece, sister... was drugged and raped; only to have the rapist serve 40+ days and flee the country?

For those who keep yammering on about how long its been (30+ yrs), they need to keep in mind that Nazi war-criminals are still being held ACCOUNTABLE. Just a couple years ago an 86 yr. old former Nazi was deported and no one can dispute the fact that his crimes were committed long ago.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:28   Link #49
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I'm gonna make it clear and simple.
Anybody that flees the USA, after pleading guilty, while on bail awaiting sentencing deserves to be dragged back kicking and screaming!
Congratulations. You just opened a pretext for invading European countries.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:30   Link #50
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Congratulations. You just opened a pretext for invading European countries.
I meant US citizens! if you want to split hairs then go ahead.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:31   Link #51
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US citizens if you want to split hairs.
I mean invade countries harboring criminals wanted in the USA.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:32   Link #52
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Meritocracy. If he is jail he is no longer useful in society, moreover he becomes a leech esque being. Outside of jail he would be able to do more contributions to the movie culture world than he would otherwise. Of course I wouldn't mind him going to jail when he retires and is no longer useful. Actually, this 'look to the other side' tacit agreement that had worked for ~35 years can be considered to have been something on these lines.
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Joke aside , i'll just say that I strongly disagree with you. The laws are the same for everyone, whether you're a peon or a famous and rich person.

There's no "meritocracy", so there's no reason to apply something like that to him.

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Old 2009-09-29, 15:34   Link #53
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I really don't understand the need to punish him after 30 years, considering that the child molested by Polanski got over it long time ago, and he had already suffered the consequences and got acquitted at the end in the eyes of the community he belongs to, and a non-negligible portion of the society. Yes, his troubled past might have a lot to do with this, and also his actions afterwards telling that it was a single bad mistake not an incident of repetitive nature.

I also didn't understand, if those really happened at the time, why he was given the freedom to flee the country. To me it is a bit late to search for justice, even though it may look as the right thing to do. I think people need to hear what the victim says about this case.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:36   Link #54
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I really don't understand the need to punish him after 30 years, considering that the child molested by Polanski got over it long time ago, and he had already suffered the consequences and got acquitted at the end in the eyes of the community he belongs to, and a non-negligible portion of the society. Yes, his troubled past might have a lot to do with this, and also his actions afterwards telling that it was a single bad mistake not an incident of repetitive nature.
You mean which community? Movies producers? That has no legal value.

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I also didn't understand, if those really happened at the time, why he was given the freedom to flee the country. To me it is a bit late to search for justice, even though it may look as the right thing to do. I think people need to hear what the victim says about this case.
Learn to read. No one gave him the right to flee.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:44   Link #55
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Joke aside , i'll just say that I strongly disagree with you. The laws are the same for everyone, whether you're a peon or a famous and rich person.

There's no "meritocracy", so there's no reason to apply something like that to him.
Of course there is no meritocracy law, otherwise you would have all the meritless people crying foul. In the modern world meritocracy takes place in the form of under the table and look to the other side deals.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:48   Link #56
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You mean which community? Movies producers? That has no legal value.
The community which tries to give people a message using their art. It may not have a legal value, but they are people of this country/world, hence their opinions do also count as one. You may despise them, you may hate them. That doesn't change the fact that they represent a view. And unless we are living under a dictatorship, their views do count.

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Learn to read. No one gave him the right to flee.
"Under the terms set by the court, he was permitted to travel abroad." I used a different wording to suggest something of similar sort. I think you should learn to read, before ordering others to do so.
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:49   Link #57
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Of course there is no meritocracy law, otherwise you would have all the meritless people crying foul. In the modern world meritocracy takes place in the form of under the table and look to the other side deals.
And you would not expect the meritless people crying foul?

BTW, I personally think that he has no more merits than a normal citizen. It would be too easy to say that many people are meritless. For example, a poor person who never succeed in life would have no merit and would go directly to prison in comparison to somebody like Polanski.

You can't apply something like that without clear laws, and a sense of equality between people. Good luck on that.


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The community which tries to give people a message using their art. It may not have a legal value, but they are people of this country/world, hence their opinions do also count as one. You may despise them, you may hate them. That doesn't change the fact that they represent a view. And unless we are living under a dictatorship, their views do count.
That still has no legal value.

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"Under the terms set by the court, he was permitted to travel abroad." I used a different wording to suggest something of similar sort. I think you should learn to read, before ordering others to do so.
That doesn't include to flee, but to do what you're allowed to do, then to come back.

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Old 2009-09-29, 15:49   Link #58
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The US "Justice" System got outmaneuvered. Getting him kicking and screaming isn't an equally cunning way to do a tit-for tat
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:52   Link #59
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Too bad, Polanski was a very good director, many movies for Oscar!
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Old 2009-09-29, 15:55   Link #60
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A very cunning one too. Slipping out when opportunity knocked. Too bad one stupid flight to switzerland ruined it all.
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