Gay Marriage and other problems homosexuals face

[Anh_Minh]

What about a woman with only one ovary?

[Vexx]

And Clint Eastwood closes (we'd hope) this subject, mortally undercutting the screaming zealotry:

“These people who are making a big deal about gay marriage?” Eastwood tells GQ.
“I don’t give a fuck about who wants to get married to anybody else! Why not?! We’re making a big deal out of things we shouldn’t be making a deal out of … Just give everybody the chance to have the life they want.”
[...]
“I was an Eisenhower Republican when I started out at 21, because he promised to get us out of the Korean War,” Eastwood said. “And over the years, I realized there was a Republican philosophy that I liked. And then they lost it."

[synaesthetic]

Someone needs to ask the screaming Tea Party zealots whether or not they feel lucky.

[Urzu 7]

Oh my God, some Christians make me so mad.

Watch the video in the link. The video is from one jerkwad. I'll copy/paste an excerpt from the article from other jerkwads.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1533463.html

The pastor's comments seem in line with statements made by Ron Baity, founding pastor of Berean Baptist Church in Winston-Salem and head of the anti-marriage equality organization Return America, who told his own congregation that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people should be prosecuted as they were historically, and Pastor Sean Harris of the Berean Baptist Church in Fayetteville who advocated parents "punch" their male child if he is effeminate and "crack that wrist" if he is limp-wristed.

Similarly, Tim Rabon, pastor at Raleigh's Beacon Baptist Church, condemned states such as Massachusetts, Connecticut and Maryland which have already "re-defined" marriage to include lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) couples before asking his congregatnts, "What is stopping them from refining marriage from a person and a beast? We're not far from that."

I got so worked up, so I'll just say it, for each and every one of those pastors that got the spot light in the article: Fuck them. We need less people like them on earth. Seriously, people like them just make the world a worse place.

I gotta say, I hate a lot of Baptist branches of Christianity (not all of them, just a good number of them). Most of the churches and pastors that are the most venomous in their hatred towards gays, bis, lesbians, and TGs are Baptist folk. I found one Baptist branch I like (it doesn't promote hate and it is all around good), but many of them I don't like because of this matter and how hateful they are towards the LGBT peoples.

[kenjiharima]

Only women are the ones given the right giving birth.
But everyone is entitled to love whatever sexuality they have.

[Magin]

There goes my faith in humanity... then again, considering which state that guy's from, I'm not entirely surprised. As a friend of mine put it after what happened in NC, "there's going to be a lot of sticky Bibles in NC in the morning"

Which is why I'm grateful that my state (NY) passed the marriage law.

[NeoChan]

Question, just in case if you have only only one child, a boy and grew up to be gay. What will you do? How will it affect your desire to have a grandchild from you only son?

[Urzu 7]

Originally Posted by NeoChan

Question, just in case if you have only only one child, a boy and grew up to be gay. What will you do? How will it affect your desire to have a grandchild from you only son?

Question for anyone?

And my answer is, if I had one child only, and it was a son, and they were gay, I'd accept that and love them just as much as if they were straight. I like and support gay people. I have some gay relatives, I've made friends with gay people in the past. My relatives, their spouses, and the gay friends I've had are all good people. Some people will never see the good in these kinds of people just because they happen to feel attracted to the same sex.

And I won't fret about the child not making grandchildren. This world is overpopulated. A part of me wants to have biological children and pass on my genes, but a part of me says, yeah, this world is over populated and there are two many people who want their own children, even though we are close to not being able to sustain ourselves anymore. A part of me wants a child or children of my own, but maybe adoption is a really good thing, yeah? Maybe more people should adopt children in need rather than just collectively add to the over population problem.

[GenjiChan]

Well, people have their right of choice. No disagreeing about that.

Nice to share, I have a gay neighbor who runs a parlor shop for women, he wears make up and dress a woman, he is quite nice to chat with . Recently, in our surprise he married a lesbian (one of his friends) and have a child. They are one happy couple.

Actually, there is nothing wrong for being gay or lesbian as long as you live your life in your own choice and happy with it.

[Urzu 7]

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

Well, people have their right of choice. No disagreeing about that.

Nice to share, I have a gay neighbor who runs a parlor shop for women, he wears make up and dress a woman, he is quite nice to chat with . Recently, in our surprise he married a lesbian (one of his friends) and have a child. They are one happy couple.

Actually, there is nothing wrong for being gay or lesbian as long as you live your life in your own choice and happy with it.

I guess they aren't gay. They are either bisexual, or pansexual. I guess pansexuals are bi, too. Pansexuals believe they can fall in love with any type of person, regardless of sex or gender (male, female, man, woman, TG, hermaphrodite).

[GenjiChan]

Originally Posted by Urzu 7

I guess they aren't gay.

I don't really know. But we think he is by just looking at him and how he dress and he himself says he's gay. I talk to him once and he had male crushes back in his school days.

About his "wife", she did the courting. He got "creep out" at first but her determination did well. She said he is beautiful...

[Mr. DJ]

I wonder if the thought ever occurred that some of these same sex couples don't have sex.

Originally Posted by Urzu 7

Oh my God, some Christians make me so mad.

Watch the video in the link. The video is from one jerkwad. I'll copy/paste an excerpt from the article from other jerkwads.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1533463.html

This made me rage a bit...

[Gamer_2k4]

Yes, it's from the first page, but the discussion is current, so I'll respond anyway.

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

I don't quite understand how someone can be gay and christian. Isn't homosexuality technically a sin within itself?

Since when are Christians perfect people? Lust is a sin too (a sexual one, at that), and every Christian (myself include) struggles with that.

Here's my take on homosexuality. Is it a natural biological thing? Yes. Is it still sinful? Yes.

The whole theme of Christianity is that our natural, biological, human bodies are sinful, and that salvation comes from rejecting that and living in Christ instead. Saying, "but they're born homosexual" isn't any more of an excuse than "but I was born to lust after women" is for what we all do. Our physiology rewards having all of the sex all of the time. And yet, almost no one believes that that's actually the right way to live.

You can be gay and a Christian, because you can't control how you were born. However, living a gay lifestyle is still sinful in God's eyes. That said, neither I nor anyone else is in any position to judge, because we're all sinful. Someone being gay is no worse than someone telling a lie. They're both sins, and that's all there is to it.

[Magin]

On a certain quite technical level, although I haven't read the Bible in ages, I believe it would technically be Judiasm that's against homosexuality- I could be wrong here, but the stuff against homosexuality is all in the Old Testament, before Jesus came along. There's also the fact that if you want to go with the 10 commandments (which is where the definitions of sin came from), there's nothing written about homosexuality at all. And for a final kick in the balls at all idiotic Christians, there's no record of Jesus ever saying anything against homosexuality. And just to seal the nail in the coffin, both of the aforementioned sources say to love your neighbor, enemy, etc.

My personal opinion by this point is simply that a lot of people find gay marriage and homosexuality to be "icky" and "disgusting", and due to America being a Christian-based country, use the Bible to back up their beliefs (on a side note, and this is where I get rather hypocritical, on a political level I'm all for gay marriage, but on a personal level I still am rather uncomfortable with the idea- just that I won't say no to it, but rather I say just don't get me more involved than on deciding whether it should be legal or not)

EDIT: to whoever decided to neg rep me over my wording, by idiotic Christians I mean the Christians who are acting like idiots (see NC and that damned pastor for example)... cause here's the funny part: despite what I'm saying, I'm a Christian myself, one who just happens to be extremely open-minded. Just want to clear that up...

[Seitsuki]

Originally Posted by Magin

On a certain quite technical level, although I haven't read the Bible in ages, I believe it would technically be Judiasm that's against homosexuality- I could be wrong here, but the stuff against homosexuality is all in the Old Testament, before Jesus came along. There's also the fact that if you want to go with the 10 commandments (which is where the definitions of sin came from), there's nothing written about homosexuality at all. And for a final kick in the balls at all idiotic Christians, there's no record of Jesus ever saying anything against homosexuality. And just to seal the nail in the coffin, both of the aforementioned sources say to love your neighbor, enemy, etc.

Originally Posted by Romans 1:

26 Therefore God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature;

27 And likewise also the males, leaving the natural use of the female, burned in their craving toward one another, males with males committing unseemliness and fully receiving in themselves the retribution of their error which was due.

(There are more but one proves my point.)

Originally Posted by Gamer_2k4

You can be gay and a Christian, because you can't control how you were born. However, living a gay lifestyle is still sinful in God's eyes. That said, neither I nor anyone else is in any position to judge, because we're all sinful. Someone being gay is no worse than someone telling a lie. They're both sins, and that's all there is to it.

In the end though, this. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye, let him who is without sin cast the first stone, etc..

Being gay is a 'sin', but so is a lot of shit that people do, so singling one out hardly seems very sporting.

[Xagzan]

Originally Posted by Magin

On a certain quite technical level, although I haven't read the Bible in ages, I believe it would technically be Judiasm that's against homosexuality- I could be wrong here, but the stuff against homosexuality is all in the Old Testament, before Jesus came along.

Jesus = Jew. More specifically, Jesus = Jew who had no intention of starting a completely new religion, but only wanted to provide a new interpretation of Judaic law, as was quite common in that period. So make no mistake, Jesus was firmly dedicated to that law himself, and said so emphatically:

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

etc.

[Seitsuki]

Originally Posted by Xagzan

Jesus = Jew. More specifically, Jesus = Jew who had no intention of starting a completely new religion, but only wanted to provide a new interpretation of Judaic law, as was quite common in that period. So make no mistake, Jesus was firmly dedicated to that law himself ...

Spoiler for No:

Gal 2:16 And knowing that a man is not justified out of works of law, but through faith in Jesus Christ, we also have believed into Christ Jesus that we might be justified out of faith in Christ and not out of the works of law, because out of the works of law no flesh will be justified.

2:19 I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness is through law, then Christ has died for nothing.

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.

But we're digressing from the point of the thread.

[NeoChan]

Clearly, Jesus speaks in support of the Law yet the apostle only follow Jesus. They based their belief only to His words. Well, Jesus didn't left a book to be as reference.... So the apostle who made it... based on their interpretation of Jesus teachings....

there where contradictions gets in....

*Sorry, I just wanted to put my opinion.

About the marriage. They have their right, it depends now on the majority if they will allow it.

[synaesthetic]

Originally Posted by Gamer_2k4

Since when are Christians perfect people? Lust is a sin too (a sexual one, at that), and every Christian (myself include) struggles with that.

Here's my take on homosexuality. Is it a natural biological thing? Yes. Is it still sinful? Yes.

The whole theme of Christianity is that our natural, biological, human bodies are sinful, and that salvation comes from rejecting that and living in Christ instead. Saying, "but they're born homosexual" isn't any more of an excuse than "but I was born to lust after women" is for what we all do. Our physiology rewards having all of the sex all of the time. And yet, almost no one believes that that's actually the right way to live.

You can be gay and a Christian, because you can't control how you were born. However, living a gay lifestyle is still sinful in God's eyes. That said, neither I nor anyone else is in any position to judge, because we're all sinful. Someone being gay is no worse than someone telling a lie. They're both sins, and that's all there is to it.

Excellent response and probably some of the most cognizant thinking I've heard out of a Christian on the subject in ages.

Is homosexuality a sin under Christianity? Sure it is, and I could honestly care less if Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. A sin is defined as an act, belief or idea that runs contrary to a particular religious dogma. Christians can proclaim that homosexuality as sinful all they want. It's their religion, their rules. If you don't want to follow those rules, don't join their club. Simple as that.

Islam and Judaism both do the same thing, of course. The Koran proclaims that eating pork and drinking alcohol are sins. These things are considered bad by Muslims. Jews also prohibit the eating of pork, as well as both religions prohibit eating any meat that wasn't slaughtered and prepared in accordance with their religious dietary rules.

Christians could care less, and eat plenty of totally non-kosher and non-halal barbecue and drink plenty of absolutely alcoholic beer after Sunday service--I should know, I used to work in a barbecue joint in Birmingham, Alabama and many a Sunday church crowd would come in and eat a mountain of pulled pork and smoked beef brisket and drink pitchers and pitchers of beer.

My point is, it's kind of silly to get mad at Christians for following their own rules.

It's not silly to get mad at Christians for attempting to force non-Christians to follow their rules. That's when it becomes a serious problem, and the problem here is that legislation has been passed in a great many places that imposes the rules and regulations of a particular religion upon people who are not of that religion. This, of course, is a violation of the First Amendment, because the government is favoring one religion over others or no religions.

The law should have nothing to do with religion. It should be kept completely secular, to make sure everyone is equally protected and everyone's freedom of religion--and freedom from religion, as the two concepts are inextricably linked--is not infringed.

Banning gay marriage is clearly unconstitutional, favoring one religion's rules over another's (or over none at all). Christians claim they have the deciding right over the concept of marriage, but the historic fact is marriage existed long before Christianity did, and it existed as a civil contract long before it was a religious one.

[Urzu 7]

Synaesthetic, that is great post. Unfortunately, I can't give you a plus rep point (have to spread more plus rep points around). But yeah, great post.

I'm a Christian, but I really hope many LGBT folk can go to Heaven. A lot of them are all around good people. For people that are gay, they are just attracted to the same sex. That is just how they are. I find the belief that "Hey, they just have to do without love life and romantic life, or else they will pay a terrible price" to be really unfair. It'd be like God expecting all straight people to just forgo love life and romantic life and choosing to be celibate, or else they'll face torment and inferno. To ask a sizable percentage of humanity to deny themselves of those things I think is really unfair. Probably the greatest worldly desires are about love life and romantic companionship. Those things include sex, but go beyond that and go deeper than that and involve even greater things. Homosexuality is about more than just sex, it involves more important things than that. A lot of Christians have the wrongful view that all gays and bis are just perverted, sex crazed fiends. This is really unfortunate. Most of them just want a significant other in their life.