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Old 2009-12-02, 13:04   Link #121
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I've had in mind Priscilla from this chapter. Maybe it makes sense for her to be that strong but IMO it's a bit too much, too big of a gap.
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Old 2009-12-02, 13:10   Link #122
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The spoiler was true! And Yoko was right: though the sisters went down on the first/second.

What a suffering to watch Cynthia's mutilated body lying in a pool of blood, hear ( thanks to Weils's translation ) her near death confession and request, assist to Alicia's nullified intervention to save her sister, see Beth's despair at her death, and then the twins' demise! Is it seriuosly only me who found the chapter to be moving?

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Based on Weil translation. What surprise me the most is about Prissy's knowledge. She was aware of the twin and what the organization was doing.
Three days ago I was telling Gangsta and Galtea33 that Priscilla's "You... are really stupid kids..." reminded of Raffaella's "You're making... one very large mistake" and kind of implied Prissy too knew something we, the rest of the warriors and the Ghosts don't.

A chapter that also raises lots of questions. What does Priscilla know? Or better, what else does she know? Who did she hear it from: Isley, her handler, one of the MiBs? Well, her knowledge does have a limit: she's not aware of half-awakeneds nor does she know of the possibility of reverting back from awakening or considers it impossible. A positive thing is she doesn't fight you back unless you provoke her first.

And it was a joy to see Riful and Duff survive all this. Though only to realize everyone they feel the presence of is stronger than them?

I don't think Clare will go berserk and direct towards Priscilla to fight her as soon as she'll spot her. She knows full well she can't defeat her right now, just like in chapter 91 she understood Riful would have torn her to pieces if she had seen her.

Do you think the next to last panel where Clare, Helen and Deneve are all exhausted means they've already fought the second waves of Raciella's kitties?

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(ok, so cammi may be borrowing the avatar at the moment, but still, she looks good as a female Darth Revan!) http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs44/f/20...Moonshadow.jpg
Who is she, revan? Thanks but I won't be borrowing anything.
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Old 2009-12-02, 13:11   Link #123
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Now then, on to this debate about Priscilla's strength. I cannot see Priscilla as being stronger than 4 Abyssal Ones. Why? If she was that strong she shouldn't even have any of her limbs cut up, but yet against 2 Abyssal Ones stronger than Riful she winds up gaining numerous injuries which she quickly heals. All of them were superficial for her, but the fact that she's getting injured at all should tell us there is a limit to her strength. My guess is her strength lies somewhere above 2 Abyssal Ones' in terms of yoki, but below 4 AOs. This would make her not "Aizen Sousuke"-like and also give Claire a chance. Priscilla can be strong, but making her too strong would be a mistake for Yagi. She needs to be beatable, and therefore too much strength would make this story too predictable.

Also, there is something I'm interested in noting. It is still possible Priscilla is 2x an AO in strength, but because the strength is concentrated in one being its marginal "utility" results in combat performances that far outstrip that of 2 Abyssal One opponents fighting her. What I'm saying is that in order to combat her you'd prefer not to have your strength spread out among numerous individuals but concentrated in as few individuals as possible. Thus the Destroyer is actually the optimum opponent for Priscilla at the present time, not Alicia and Beth awakening together to attack her.
If the last two chapters were not proof enough that you can not calculate in that way, what then?
The last what you wrote seems more correct to me. A being that is twice as strong and twice as fast is not as strong as two beings who are twice as weak and twice as slow. Probably such a being can beat several(10 - 30) beings who are twice as weak as it. Sorry for the bad language but i don't know how to write it better. But that was what i tried to explain here since a few months.
Think of it as if you are fighting alone against a horde of kindergarden zombies who have the same abilities and weaknesses as normal children.
If you sum all her power together and make some kind of tug-of-war with them they would probably win because they are to many but in a normal combat they would probably lose.
About priscilla being beatable. Well probably only by theresa's power which resides as an otherworldy yoki in the depth of clare's being. I think that was what yagi wanted to show.
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The spoiler was true! And Yoko was right: though the sisters went down on the first/second.

What a suffering to watch Cynthia's mutilated body lying in a pool of blood, hear ( thanks to Weils's translation ) her near death confession and request, assist to Alicia's nullified intervention to save her sister, see Beth's despair at her death, and then the twins' demise! Is it seriuosly only me who found the chapter to be moving?


I don't think Clare will go berserk and direct towards Priscilla to fight her as soon as she'll spot her. She knows full well she can't defeat her right now, just like in chapter 91 she understood Riful would have torn her to pieces if she had seen her.
So i was right about your sig
What will happen if clare sees priscilla now on the battleground? The clare without rafaella's wisdom would have probably attacked priscilla on the spot like when she heard from riful about her and forgot herself completely until galatea brought her back to senses. If they will met now on the battlefield not only would be interesting how clare would react but also priscilla's reaction would be interesting. Despite clare being still far to weak to really be a menace to priscilla, priscilla will recognize the yoki sig of the only being who was ever able to give her a taste of true despair. It could even be that priscilla will attack first in order to prevent clare from somehow becoming strong enough to beat her.
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Old 2009-12-02, 13:58   Link #124
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So i was right about your sig
What will happen if clare sees priscilla now on the battleground? The clare without rafaella's wisdom would have probably attacked priscilla on the spot like when she heard from riful about her and forgot herself completely until galatea brought her back to senses. If they will met now on the battlefield not only would be interesting how clare would react but also priscilla's reaction would be interesting. Despite clare being still far to weak to really be a menace to priscilla, priscilla will recognize the yoki sig of the only being who was ever able to give her a taste of true despair. It could even be that priscilla will attack first in order to prevent clare from somehow becoming strong enough to beat her.
Yes, you were right.

True. Now there's also Priscilla's reaction to consider. Alicia and Beth weren't at her level so she only responded to their attacks 'cause they were the first to have engaged her. The last time Prissy was close enough to sense Clare's youki, she was in a different mental state. But in any case, I wouldn't want a Clare vs. Priscilla fight, rather the two recognizing each other and then ally against the Descendant of Dragons and the Org. I hope that doesn't mean against Raki as well...

Having Raffaella's memories etc., Clare wouldn't leave her comrades again like she did to go to Riful's lair and save Renée and ended up triggering Raffaella and Luciela's awakening.
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Old 2009-12-02, 14:04   Link #125
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Yes, you were right.

True. Now there's also Priscilla's reaction to consider. Alicia and Beth weren't at her level so she only responded to their attacks 'cause they were the first to have engaged her. The last time Prissy was close enough to sense Clare's youki, she was in a different mental state. But in any case, I wouldn't want a Clare vs. Priscilla fight, rather the two recognizing each other and then ally against the Descendant of Dragons and the Org. I hope that doesn't mean against Raki as well...

Having Raffaella's memories etc., Clare wouldn't leave her comrades again like she did to go to Riful's lair and save Renée and ended up triggering Raffaella and Luciela's awakening.
Wow, i think you just stumbled across something. You have just proven that chibi priscilla and evil priscilla are split personalities who have probably no memories from each other. Priscilla didn't recognize theresa's yoki as one of the fading lights at pieta.

How she triggered it is something which still makes me wonder. Why didn't renee do a shit? Why began the chains to rattle when clare appeared and made only a surface scan of the yoki sigs inside the hideout?
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Old 2009-12-02, 14:25   Link #126
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Am I the only one who find Priscilla's badassness too much!? She is acting all supreme (and she is) but it not like her.
Beth and Alicia. I am a fan of them now. such tender sisterly love! Admirable.
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Old 2009-12-02, 14:28   Link #127
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Wow, i think you just stumbled across something. You have just proven that chibi priscilla and evil priscilla are split personalities who have probably no memories from each other.
Well, we know she has more then one personality. However, the Awakened side is much stronger and does retain memories. It's the starved "purer" personality that doesn't have memories of being an Awakened, or anything before it.

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Am I the only one who find Priscilla's badassness too much!? She is acting all supreme (and she is) but it not like her.
Beth and Alicia. I am a fan of them now. such tender sisterly love! Admirable.
As an Awakened, she was always like that; like snidely telling Irene she has her arm

Tell me about it; Alicia finally broke away from her conditioning to help her sister

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Oh, and a Scanlation is already up, amazingly. The site seems to have their own personal translators who've done the work for them.

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Old 2009-12-02, 14:46   Link #128
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Am I the only one who find Priscilla's badassness too much!? She is acting all supreme (and she is) but it not like her.
Beth and Alicia. I am a fan of them now. such tender sisterly love! Admirable.
Well I doubt Priscilla is arrogant 24/7. So far we have only seen this arrogance when someone challenges her (or atleast to my memory. I am forgetful ), which is to be expected because it is a fight. When Beth attacked her, Priscilla told her to pretty much leave her alone because she isn't interested in her. Beth made her fight, so hell, why not be an ass while putting a whoopin on her.
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Old 2009-12-02, 14:46   Link #129
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Old 2009-12-02, 14:52   Link #130
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The spoiler was true! And Yoko was right: though the sisters went down on the first/second.

What a suffering to watch Cynthia's mutilated body lying in a pool of blood, hear ( thanks to Weils's translation ) her near death confession and request, assist to Alicia's nullified intervention to save her sister, see Beth's despair at her death, and then the twins' demise! Is it seriuosly only me who found the chapter to be moving?
No... I was moved too, by both Cynthia's confession and the robot twins sisterly love. I mean Alicia didn't even hesitate about awakening to be by her sisters side and then poor Beth being separated from her sister for the first time in her life. Plus Cynthia's survivors guilt confession was moving... though not as powerful as it could have been. Mainly due to Yagi just flying through the plot after Pieta.

I can't wait for a great scanlation or two to come out...


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Three days ago I was telling Gangsta and Galtea33 that Priscilla's "You... are really stupid kids..." reminded of Raffaella's "You're making... one very large mistake" and kind of implied Prissy too knew something we, the rest of the warriors and the Ghosts don't.

A chapter that also raises lots of questions. What does Priscilla know? Or better, what else does she know? Who did she hear it from: Isley, her handler, one of the MiBs? Well, her knowledge does have a limit: she's not aware of half-awakeneds nor does she know of the possibility of reverting back from awakening or considers it impossible. A positive thing is she doesn't fight you back unless you provoke her first.
Well, as long as she doesn't take off to back on the trail of that scent... then she just might find out about partial awakenings. After all Yuma and Cynthia are less then a stones throw away (especially considering how far Priscilla can probably throw a stone ). I want to see her find out about it...

You bring up a good point... how did the foolish child who was just a rookie Claymore find out about the Organizations desire for a controllable awakened being and be able to determine that the Org would find the twins failures... It must have been Isley, after all Miria did have questions for the male awakened being implying the first generation of Claymores knew more then other generations...

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And it was a joy to see Riful and Duff survive all this. Though only to realize everyone they feel the presence of is stronger than them?
Me too, though now I'm not so sure of there purpose. So I'm not exactly sure what I want with them now... I have 4 ideas at present.
1) Them being executed by someone
2) Her joining the ghosts for the shot at survival (and so the ghosts can have some backup against the new big three)... on this point I'd love to see if Riful's and Duff's awakening can reversed by a yoki sync.
3) Riful getting every last surviving awakened being into her camp and staying on the defensive waiting for the new Big Three to whip each other out... so they can step in at the last moment and finish off the victor
4) Priscilla deciding to make Riful her chess piece (Karma's a bitch ). Then have Riful used just like Isley used Rigardo, with the exception of Duff being Priscilla's hostage

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I don't think Clare will go berserk and direct towards Priscilla to fight her as soon as she'll spot her. She knows full well she can't defeat her right now, just like in chapter 91 she understood Riful would have torn her to pieces if she had seen her.
Honestly what I want is Clare showing fear. Just like any abused child would be when they meet there abuser years later. No I don't want her running away but I don't want her to confront the fear she had years ago... so she can confront it and beat it. I want her fear to keep her alive.

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Do you think the next to last panel where Clare, Helen and Deneve are all exhausted means they've already fought the second waves of Raciella's kitties?
Yes... I believe that is what happened too.
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Hmm, I noticed a few important differences. First it looks like Yuma attempt to synchronize her yoki is not as stupid as it looked before. Second, there is strange comment by Riful about controlling Alicia? I don't understand that part. Most importantly thanks to scanlation we know that Priscilla vs Twins fight wasn't so one sided.
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Hmm, I noticed a few important differences. First it looks like Yuma attempt to synchronize her yoki is not as stupid as it looked before. Second, there is strange comment by Riful about controlling Alicia? I don't understand that part. Most importantly thanks to scanlation we know that Priscilla vs Twins fight wasn't so one sided.
Eh, even with the scanlation, I would still say it was one sided. Alicia and Beth were coordinated as noted by Priscilla, but they aren't strong enough (don't have the physical attributes) to put their coordination over the top as a threat.
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But in any case, I wouldn't want a Clare vs. Priscilla fight, rather the two recognizing each other and then ally against the Descendant of Dragons and the Org. I hope that doesn't mean against Raki as well...
I agree; I don't know how it's gonna work out, and their is no doubt their will be some sort of confrontation, but I don't think a little originality is so bad, hmm?

I'm gonna be very disappointed if it all ends up with a big brawl or something.
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Old 2009-12-02, 16:21   Link #134
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I think we'll soon hit the point when clare has to decide between their friends and between her vengeance.
About fear of priscilla:
Clare doesn't seem to have fear of riful or anything when it came to priscilla in which's maw. Riful was a dreadfull adversary too and despite that clare attacked her straight forward. IMO at that point clare thought only of killing priscilla and nothing else mattered to her. We saw her disabeling her fear when she followed theresa and jumped into the raven. The manga has shown that clare sometimes is able to ignore her self-preservation drive completely. IMO without rafaella's memorys as backbone to stabilise her clare would probably go all out the first moment she would see priscilla, awaken and kill her or die trying.
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Old 2009-12-02, 16:53   Link #135
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damn, fast chapter again. Seeing Cynthia like that made me sad. when did all of that happen anyways? just while she and Yuma were running away? I doubt she'll die. if anything, i think something will happen to Yuma while trying to heal her.

and yeah, Alicia and Beth went down FAST! Prisilla ripped off Alicia's head in one motion. reminds me of Teresa. ooh, Teresa.. i miss you... anywho, Riful's probably like, FML now.

so, who's up for a Miria and Galatea chapter or two? and is the manga winding down? or does it still have a ways to go. i remember hearing that it was half way over or something.
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I have a feeling that whats about to happen between Cynthia and yuma in the next few chapters is going to be extremely important to the rest of the story.
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I have a feeling that whats about to happen between Cynthia and yuma in the next few chapters is going to be extremely important to the rest of the story.
How so?

Half-awakening is an option, sure, but what do you think will happen?
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How so?

Half-awakening is an option, sure, but what do you think will happen?
I think it's possible that they may stumble upon how to soul link. Yuma goes over her limits and awakens while healing Cynthia, with there Youki synchronized Cynthia trys to pull Yuma back and somehow keeps Yuma mind intact and we end up with a make shift Soul link similar to the twins, and it'd be the perfect time for Miria to show up with Galatea who can then help the two with the soul link.
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but soul link took all of Alicia and Beth's growing years to learn, and i doubt Yuma and Cynthia can do it on a whim. unless its one of those "emotions drives resolve" instances.
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Priscilla is way too strong. Its ridiculous.
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