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Old 2010-03-19, 20:59   Link #241
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so does the final episode mean she has no ability at all? because i thought even as a level 0, they manifest some sort of power, but since she wasn't effected at all.. oh well. I don't care to know the details. all i know is she kicked ass with her baseball bat.
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Old 2010-03-19, 23:56   Link #242
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level 0 = normal person in real world and this also proves that even they go to the curriculum it wouldn't effect them because that music makes damage considering the level but being a level 0 means their is no to level down anymore.
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Old 2010-03-20, 05:23   Link #243
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I wonder if Touma or Tsuchimikado's gonna get affected by Capacity Down.
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Old 2010-03-20, 05:26   Link #244
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no they won't they are still level 0. And I bet their are other level 0 their that had ability but still consider level 0. Though they are the only one I know yet that are level 0 that had still ability. The others I know are saten and hamachan of item.
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Old 2010-03-20, 09:11   Link #245
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uhm, capacity down won't work on Touma(since his power has nothing to do with his brain), but i'm not so sure it won't work on tsuchimikado...afterall, his power is esper, unlike Touma's...
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Old 2010-03-20, 10:09   Link #246
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uhm, capacity down won't work on Touma(since his power has nothing to do with his brain), but i'm not so sure it won't work on tsuchimikado...afterall, his power is esper, unlike Touma's...
I would second this; Tsuchimikado is only 'level 0' because his power cannot be reliably measured by the tests they use in academy city. Capacity Down works on the principle that all espers develop parts of their brain differently from normal humans, and this development makes them vulnerable to a particular kind of interference. (It's possible that Capacity Down doesn't work solely via sound; it may use the same 'synesthesia' principle as the Level Upper.) Any esper who displays a power unassisted has parts of their brain that have been reformatted in order to control that power - even a level 0 whose power is either too weak or too weird to be measured. Saten's immunity to Capacity Down shows that she is probably a true level 0, with no capacity to develop any kind of esper power; even after subjecting herself to the power development curriculum for several years (including whatever drugs or other medical procedures that involves), her brain has failed to significantly develop in the areas that would allow her to use a power.

Therefore, Saten needs to become a mage, pronto, or else start taking ass-kicking lessons from the milk man.
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Old 2010-03-20, 10:10   Link #247
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does tsuchimikado even release his aim? and if I remember it right his ability is passive and the same time a big lottery which had a 50 - 50 chance of auto revival.

Well saten in a bat is still a win. I wonder if their will be pictures out about it already.
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Old 2010-03-20, 10:22   Link #248
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does tsuchimikado even release his aim? and if I remember it right his ability is passive and the same time a big lottery which had a 50 - 50 chance of auto revival.
It doesn't matter whether it's passive or active, or if he releases his AIM or not. Using magic damages people who have developed their brains to use esper powers. Using magic damages Tsuchimikado, and therefore his brain has been developed to use an esper power. This brain development is what Capacity Down attacks, not the active manifestation of AIM.

If Capacity Down worked by disrupting AIM (and there is no indication of this at all):
  1. It wouldn't work on espers who are not currently using their power (and therefore wouldn't have worked on Uiharu or Kuroko in the lab.)
  2. It would probably just stop powers from working properly, rather than causing the power users physical pain.

At any rate, any further discussion of Tsuchimikado's power or the way Capacity Down works should probably be moved to the ability and technology discussion thread.
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Old 2010-03-20, 19:12   Link #249
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Saten just need to make more home runs.
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Old 2010-03-24, 16:49   Link #250
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so does the final episode mean she has no ability at all? because i thought even as a level 0, they manifest some sort of power, but since she wasn't effected at all.. oh well. I don't care to know the details. all i know is she kicked ass with her baseball bat.
she obviously does have one, as seen from when she used the level up thing. I think it's just so suppressed within her that it had no effect
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Old 2010-03-25, 15:21   Link #251
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I would second this; Tsuchimikado is only 'level 0' because his power cannot be reliably measured by the tests they use in academy city. Capacity Down works on the principle that all espers develop parts of their brain differently from normal humans, and this development makes them vulnerable to a particular kind of interference. (It's possible that Capacity Down doesn't work solely via sound; it may use the same 'synesthesia' principle as the Level Upper.) Any esper who displays a power unassisted has parts of their brain that have been reformatted in order to control that power - even a level 0 whose power is either too weak or too weird to be measured. Saten's immunity to Capacity Down shows that she is probably a true level 0, with no capacity to develop any kind of esper power; even after subjecting herself to the power development curriculum for several years (including whatever drugs or other medical procedures that involves), her brain has failed to significantly develop in the areas that would allow her to use a power.

Therefore, Saten needs to become a mage, pronto, or else start taking ass-kicking lessons from the milk man.
I'll vote for that lesson for Saten. If she can't use any power, street fighting is also an alternative to gaining some type of useful skill for defending herself ^^. Hell, she can work for Judgment if she wants some experience.

actually... Does Judgment only allow lvl 1 - 4 espers? =O

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Old 2010-03-25, 15:41   Link #252
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Iactually... Does Judgment only allow lvl 1 - 4 espers? =O
Probably, otherwise she would've joined up by now. The only reason she used Level Upper is because she felt useless.
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Old 2010-03-25, 20:39   Link #253
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I'll vote for that lesson for Saten. If she can't use any power, street fighting is also an alternative to gaining some type of useful skill for defending herself ^^. Hell, she can work for Judgment if she wants some experience.

actually... Does Judgment only allow lvl 1 - 4 espers? =O
Level 1-5, it appears. Various people have tried to get both Mikoto and Accelerator to join up. I don't know if any of the level 5's are actually members.

I will point out Saten did at one point suggest that after watching Uiharu and Kuroko, actually being a member of Judgement was something she wasn't jealous of.

She and Mikoto get to get involved in the interesting bits without having to pull late nights doing paperwork.
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Old 2010-03-25, 21:15   Link #254
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I think too that Saten doesn't have a slight bit of wanting to join judgment.

She's too care free and the looks of it. She just want to mess up with uiharu plus she can just go by to the branch in and out without someone stopping her. Just that is enough for her.

No one will approach Accel and ask him to join judgment. He got bad reputation to begin with. Mugino and Kakine has their own organization to manage with. The other level 5 might be ask too.
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Old 2010-03-26, 17:53   Link #255
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Yomikawa- the green jersy woman who teaches at Touma's school suggests he jions, but he refuses.

And agreed, she wants an a ability, but doesn't want to jion Jugdement. she would be happy just to live her relatively carefree life as is, only as an ability user instead of a level 0.
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Old 2010-03-26, 19:10   Link #256
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Old 2010-03-26, 21:46   Link #257
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Saten really grew on me during this series. Glad she got to play a role right at the end in helping everyone out. Though in the end left hoping that down the road she could achieve her dream. Just a small ability really would be enough for her. Things might not always work out perfectly in life, but think that after all that effort getting an ability would be a nice result.
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Old 2010-03-26, 21:53   Link #258
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too me isn't she had the greatest development at all? next will be mikoto or uiharu lastly is kuroko with hardly needed of any character development.
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Old 2010-03-31, 06:01   Link #259
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Saten is pure win. I love her bubbly personality, how caring she is to her friends, basically everything. She is by far one of the most human characters I've ever seen. She seemed so real. I really sympathized with her troubles because I myself have been in a group of friends in which I was the least superior/able. So I really connected with Saten. That's the beauty of her character IMO. Her problem is one that a vast majority of people have been through, so it's easy to relate/connect to her. Going into railgun, my favorite character was Misaka. I thought she was great in index. She's just as good in railgun, too, but Saten pretty much destroys her in terms of likeability IMO. Overall, Saten is a special character IMO. Yeah, one could argue that her archetype has been done better elsewhere, but it's not just that. It's her realistic and human characterization that makes her stand out IMO.
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Old 2013-04-01, 05:34   Link #260
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To celebrate the upcoming 2nd Season:

A little poem I wrote about Saten-san, initial version created few years ago, did a little editing here and there since then. It's far far away from being masterpiece, but anyway here it is:
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