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Old 2010-03-17, 18:42   Link #1081
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Well, it's possible, but Schneizel commented that ruins like the ones during the Kamine Island arc were also Clovis' kind of thing, and those probably didn't have anything to do with medical stuff at all, which is why I think it's more likely that he only cared about the theoretical aspects of the research. That, and Clovis really didn't seem to give a damn about people or Britannia or pretty much anything anymore - can't see him taking an interest in medicine. Why he wanted to give C.C. to the Emperor then? Good question. Next question. Well, actually, I can think of a few possibilities, but... that'd be over-analyzing over-analyzations. xD
Then again, much for the same reason, I don't think he monitored Code R all that closely. Bartley might have been a bit more interested in military matters than him.
From what I gathered from all that, Clovis was checking out the ruins as a hobby or something and this somehow led to him and/or Bartley finding and capturing C.C., but that's purely my speculation. From there I'm just supposing that they had something in mind for this research, or some sort of direction they were hoping to take it in. One idea is that Clovis went on with Code-R so he would have something to show for his time and efforts in Japan, as he clearly wasn't making any headway in making it more peaceful.

While Charles would obviously be interested in C.C. on her own, Clovis didn't know about Ragnarok, so he might think he needed to do some research on her to prove that she wasn't just a novelty gift to distract Charles from the continued problems in Japan. If he can present a book full of applications of testing on her, things like the neural-link technology and cyberization tests for stronger soldiers and weapons, or advances in medical science, then he would look like he was actually being practical and not trying to cover up his failures.

However, as you say, since that sort of thing wasn't Clovis' interest, he likely left it to Bartley.
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Old 2010-03-17, 19:19   Link #1082
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From what I gathered from all that, Clovis was checking out the ruins as a hobby or something and this somehow led to him and/or Bartley finding and capturing C.C., but that's purely my speculation. From there I'm just supposing that they had something in mind for this research, or some sort of direction they were hoping to take it in. One idea is that Clovis went on with Code-R so he would have something to show for his time and efforts in Japan, as he clearly wasn't making any headway in making it more peaceful.
*nods*
That mostly fits with how I see the whole thing. Although, considering that Charles probably never showed much interest in Area 11, one has to wonder why Clovis thought it was necessary to throw a surprise gift at him. I mean, it would have been about two years Clovis had been in charge of Area 11 when they captured C.C., maybe a bit more - not so much he'd have needed to feel threatened, I think, considering he was able to keep up appearances in front of the public. Maybe he was simply thinking ahead, as he had no intention of making an actualy effort, but even then, handing over C.C. wouldn't have been enough for the Emperor to just let Area 11 go to Hell, considering Britannia is all about power and progress.
It would, however, have made sense if he had planned to drop the whole governor thing. Give the Emperor C.C. and request to let someone else take over his post. That way, he wouldn't have lost anything by getting rid of a job he had asked for himself, but in truth despised.

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If he can present a book full of applications of testing on her, things like the neural-link technology and cyberization tests for stronger soldiers and weapons, or advances in medical science, then he would look like he was actually being practical and not trying to cover up his failures.
Makes sense, but since Clovis did not inform Charles about Code R, if we add the Naoto theory to this, he'd have to be a fool to use data he wasn't supposed to have. That would have been pretty risky, and at worst seem like high treason considering the sheer magnitude of the whole thing. Even if he planned to tell Charles later on, it would have been less dangerous to give the Emperor data he could use himself as he saw fit than starting something all by himself. If Clovis had been intent on getting closer to the throne, it might have been a risk worth taking since he could have impressed the Emperor that way, but for anything else, the data alone would do the job just as well.

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However, as you say, since that sort of thing wasn't Clovis' interest, he likely left it to Bartley.
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Old 2010-03-17, 19:43   Link #1083
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That mostly fits with how I see the whole thing. Although, considering that Charles probably never showed much interest in Area 11, one has to wonder why Clovis thought it was necessary to throw a surprise gift at him. I mean, it would have been about two years Clovis had been in charge of Area 11 when they captured C.C., maybe a bit more - not so much he'd have needed to feel threatened, I think, considering he was able to keep up appearances in front of the public. Maybe he was simply thinking ahead, as he had no intention of making an actualy effort, but even then, handing over C.C. wouldn't have been enough for the Emperor to just let Area 11 go to Hell, considering Britannia is all about power and progress.
It would, however, have made sense if he had planned to drop the whole governor thing. Give the Emperor C.C. and request to let someone else take over his post. That way, he wouldn't have lost anything by getting rid of a job he had asked for himself, but in truth despised.
We aren't sure by when Charles suspected there was a Thought Elevator in Japan, but V.V.'s actions tell us that he was aware of it by the first season at the latest. As well, there was the matter of the sakuradite which was the whole reason they invaded in the first place in the wake of the trade blockades. The ruins were an added bonus.

As for throwing surprise gifts at Charles, you never know. We aren't told how much progress if any Clovis made in cleaning up terrorism, but it was small at best, given many of the things Cornelia commented on, along with the NAC taking bribes. Given Japan's proximity to the CF and EU, I don't think it would be unlikely for Charles to occasionally breath down Clovis' neck about progress in controlling the violence.

Rather than not making an effort, there is the possibility that he really wanted to be the one to stabilize Japan, and his inability to do so prompted Charles to make the classic "Suceed or I'll appoint someone who can." threats at some point, and the periodic gifts were Clovis' attempt to keep his job and dignity amongst his family.

If Code-R had gone through, then he might get first dibs on being able to employ the results, possibly giving him his own Lancelot equivalents to keep order in Japan, as he didn't want to use the Lancelot itself since doing so was "incurring a debt" from Schneizel.

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*Makes sense, but since Clovis did not inform Charles about Code R, if we add the Naoto theory to this, he'd have to be a fool to use data he wasn't supposed to have. That would have been pretty risky, and at worst seem like high treason considering the sheer magnitude of the whole thing. Even if he planned to tell Charles later on, it would have been less dangerous to give the Emperor data he could use himself as he saw fit than starting something all by himself. If Clovis had been intent on getting closer to the throne, it might have been a risk worth taking since he could have impressed the Emperor that way, but for anything else, the data alone would do the job just as well.
Well he'd probably need to do some tests to show that the data was actually useful and not the sort of thing that falls apart in application. Otherwise he'd look very bad for basically throwing some worthless theories at his father's feet.

Also, was the Druid System also developed from research in Code-R? I thought I read a while back that it was.
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Old 2010-03-17, 20:13   Link #1084
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The only thing I know of any connection between the Druid System and Code-R was that it was being used to analyze the Geass Ruins on Kaminejima, that's all. Remote connection at best.
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Old 2010-03-17, 23:48   Link #1085
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Anyone know when the manga is being released?
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Old 2010-03-18, 02:11   Link #1086
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Old 2010-03-18, 06:45   Link #1087
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Anyone know when the manga is being released?
We only know that it's going to be during 2010. I'm betting the "sneak peak at the new project" that'll be included on the DVD/BD will address this matter though. I wouldn't be surprised if it'll show us some panels and stuff like that from the actual manga and maybe short interviews with Taniguchi and Takuma. I pretty much assume that the release date will be mentioned.
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Old 2010-03-18, 07:46   Link #1088
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We aren't sure by when Charles suspected there was a Thought Elevator in Japan, but V.V.'s actions tell us that he was aware of it by the first season at the latest. As well, there was the matter of the sakuradite which was the whole reason they invaded in the first place in the wake of the trade blockades. The ruins were an added bonus.
But in the end, Charles didn't care about whether Area 11 was peaceful or not. He just needed to be able to carry out Ragnarok, and it seemed like he mostly left it to Schneizel to ensure that things went smoothly for Britannia.
Area 11 was far from perfect, but there was no real danger for Charles' plans until Lelouch came along. Also, I don't think the Emperor would have known about many of Clovis' failures, except if he planted spies in Area 11 who knew more than Clovis himself.

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As for throwing surprise gifts at Charles, you never know. We aren't told how much progress if any Clovis made in cleaning up terrorism, but it was small at best, given many of the things Cornelia commented on, along with the NAC taking bribes. Given Japan's proximity to the CF and EU, I don't think it would be unlikely for Charles to occasionally breath down Clovis' neck about progress in controlling the violence.
That's a valid point, but it seems like the one thing Clovis was careful about was keeping the CF and EU quiet, at least. I think it was episode 12 where it's mentioned that he left terrorists with an advanatage for exactly that reason.
And really, it wasn't looking that bad for Britannia in Area 11. It was only because of the Black Knights that the CF attampted an invasion, and even that was cut down pretty quickly.

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Rather than not making an effort, there is the possibility that he really wanted to be the one to stabilize Japan, and his inability to do so prompted Charles to make the classic "Suceed or I'll appoint someone who can." threats at some point, and the periodic gifts were Clovis' attempt to keep his job and dignity amongst his family.
Clovis didn't seem to care about his job anymore, though.
The anime made it pretty clear that he spent more time on his paintings than on his duties, and even when he took care of the latter to some extent, he was giving theatralic speeches and throwing social events he only seemed remotely interested in himself. He was very optimistic in the Sound Drama about the whole thing, but later he just seemed disillusioned, even going so far as to order a massacre with a casual shrug of his shoulders. He was no longer interested in turning Area 11 in a resting place worthy of Lelouch, or he wouldn't have done that.
Clovis was no idiot. If he'd really put in an effort, he'd have been able to at least keep his job - after all, he used to be a decent opponent for Lelouch, if not quite on par with him. The fact that he lost so pathetically seven years later, in my opinion, shows that he'd not made an effort in quite some time, and ultimately lost the ability to do so.
The contrast between SoundDrama!Clovis and anime!Clovis is glaringly obvious. The former was determined and optimistic, someone able to understand essential things about Lelouch and only one step behind him, while the latter looked bored most of the time and had gone from "kind" to "incredibly callous". The only thing still in accordance with his former self were his paintings, like the one of Lelouch. He put an effort into reminiscing about the past and preserving the present (-> remaining governor), but not into the future, and that was his ultimate failing.
... Maybe I should simply write another essay on him. Gah, I didn't plan to start rambling. xD
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Old 2010-03-20, 17:47   Link #1089
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this may have been answered but is Lelouch gunna be in the new manga/anime if he is will it be the one from R1 and R2 if so will he remember what happened in them? confusing my self now lol XD cause i no hes gunna be in the new manga and anime
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Old 2010-03-20, 18:02   Link #1090
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Read afew pages back, before all this offtopic happened. Or go to the first post (TrueElements) and get the stuff from it.

All of this is just heavy speculation and so forth. Everything is in the air until we can put a name to things, figuratively speaking.
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Old 2010-03-24, 13:48   Link #1091
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Found this about the new manga:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7863/021ik.jpg

Code Geass : Shikkoku no Renya will start in Shounen Ace # 07 (On sale May 26)
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Old 2010-03-24, 17:14   Link #1092
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Found this about the new manga:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7863/021ik.jpg

Code Geass : Shikkoku no Renya will start in Shounen Ace # 07 (On sale May 26)
Well hey, guess we don't have to wait as long, haha.
Thanks for the post.

...Also, did Renya's eyes go from green to gray-green?
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Old 2010-03-25, 15:18   Link #1093
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Found this about the new manga:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7863/021ik.jpg

Code Geass : Shikkoku no Renya will start in Shounen Ace # 07 (On sale May 26)
Thanks Will add to the front page not sure about the date but ok.


edit: derp it says it in the corner <_<
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Well if its "Code Geass -Renya of the Dark-" and not R3 Im guessing its not a sequel which is good because I am fine with the ending of R2.
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Old 2010-03-25, 22:32   Link #1095
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Thanks Will add to the front page not sure about the date but ok.
I hope it comes out on May 26 because the anticipation is killing me!
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Old 2010-03-26, 00:14   Link #1096
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darn it really if this keep maybe this might idea for new geass project http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ldAhdqklrE with suzaku being bauer?!

really why can't just a geass anime special with all REAL TRUTH is revealed or this geass is really like anime version of LOST?!
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Old 2010-03-26, 00:20   Link #1097
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Well if its "Code Geass -Renya of the Dark-" and not R3 Im guessing its not a sequel which is good because I am fine with the ending of R2.
The ending of R2 was a clusterfuck of the first order. Not that I want a continuation for its own sake, but one that addressed and fixed the issues would be more than welcome.
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Why do you feel it necessary to bring that debate up in a thread that it doesn't belong in?
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Well if its "Code Geass -Renya of the Dark-" and not R3 Im guessing its not a sequel which is good because I am fine with the ending of R2.
It can't possibly be a sequel, cause it takes place many, many years before Lulu & Co. were born.
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Is there anything with rai in it except lost colors?
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