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View Poll Results: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 24 Rating
Perfect 10 22 13.17%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 15 8.98%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 19 11.38%
7 out of 10 : Good 39 23.35%
6 out of 10 : Average 16 9.58%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 14 8.38%
4 out of 10 : Poor 15 8.98%
3 out of 10 : Bad 2 1.20%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 5 2.99%
1 out of 10 : Painful 20 11.98%
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Old 2009-12-12, 23:49   Link #221
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Spoiler for battler's mother:
Someone on another forum going with that idea came up with a possible ramification I hadn't thought of.

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Do we have a definite statement on Kanon's age anywhere?

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Old 2009-12-12, 23:51   Link #222
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Kanon is said to be 16, but since it's not said in red, and we know how much his heart is closed to where he claims he's even forgotten his real name, it's not entirely implausible that he's lying about his age. He's a little guy, too - he can pass for being a few years younger than he actually is without being terribly suspicious.
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Old 2009-12-13, 00:05   Link #223
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Wow... This just got interesting
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Old 2009-12-13, 00:10   Link #224
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Kanon is said to be 16, but since it's not said in red, and we know how much his heart is closed to where he claims he's even forgotten his real name, it's not entirely implausible that he's lying about his age. He's a little guy, too - he can pass for being a few years younger than he actually is without being terribly suspicious.
OoOh~ We all know what that means...SHOTA!!♥ Mmmm..Now that wouldn't bug me at all~ Hm, I wonder if an instance will arise when Battler will have to make Beatrice reveail Shannon and Kanon's ages? Only time will tell!X3
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Old 2009-12-13, 02:09   Link #225
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I don't see any reason right now to doubt Shannon and Kanon aren't 16, but whatever 9_9
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Old 2009-12-13, 02:22   Link #226
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Mmm, I agree with Marion. I'm not sure why you're all concerned with how old Kanon and Shannon are in the first place. S'pose it hasn't been fully revealed because it's not important information.
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Old 2009-12-13, 03:43   Link #227
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I'm actually rather surprised on the amount of Kanon age speculation the others thread have.
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Old 2009-12-13, 04:01   Link #228
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I hope Kanon is 16 Nothing beats shota Kanon ^^
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Old 2009-12-13, 05:17   Link #229
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I doubt that Kanon is the real Battler... BUT it also can be the reason why we dont know his real name, I mean, when he finally tries to say his name he dies T^T
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I think Kanon shares a name with someone on the island and it's used to fake red truth.
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Old 2009-12-13, 06:58   Link #231
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good point.... well atleast we know it isnt a female culprit then
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Old 2009-12-13, 07:01   Link #232
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Unless Kanon is actually a woman.
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Old 2009-12-13, 07:04   Link #233
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whahaha xD then some questions will pop up:

1) How does (s)he hide her/his boobs?
2) or is (s)he just a flat chest

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Old 2009-12-13, 07:06   Link #234
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Flat chest in Umineko.............


Impossible. XD
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Old 2009-12-13, 07:10   Link #235
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haha xD well till now Rosa&Ange are the flatest (excluding Maria ofcourse)
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pffft xD
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Old 2009-12-13, 07:41   Link #236
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Kanon being the ultimate culprit might solve a lot of situations yes, and especially if he's the "real Battler."

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Old 2009-12-13, 08:07   Link #237
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I hope Kanon is 16 Nothing beats shota Kanon ^^
Well 16 isn't really considered shota...if he's older than 14 it's usually out of the shota realm ^^;

I don't personally think Kanon = Battler, either, nor do I necessarily doubt his age (though I do think he and Shannon are definitely biologically related, so if they're the same age, they'd be twins...but Shannon also looks older than 16 and is treated like an older sister; all I know is fuck, they have the exact same face in the VN, so either Shkannon is true (please no) or they really are biologically related). However, it's not impossible to speculate either, so it doesn't hurt to throw those things out there.

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whahaha xD then some questions will pop up:

1) How does (s)he hide her/his boobs?
2) or is (s)he just a flat chest
This is actually one of the things I've always taken into consideration for those who believe Shannon = Kanon. If it was Kanon posing as Shannon, it'd be possible - he's got a small, girlish frame, and could probably pull it off. But if Shannon was posing as Kanon...? Umm, I think she might be just a tad too developed to get away with it ^^; we really have no reason to doubt that both Shannon and Kanon exist, and to do so would be pretty silly, so I feel like the only way for Shannon = Kanon is that one is posing for the other during the conference only. Sadly enough I've seen people try to extend that theory to the level of 'one of them never existed in the first place and the other has always pretended to be them' - that's a little ridiculous if not nigh impossible unless you want to doubt 90% of what we've seen. So it'd have to be during October 4th and 5th only that one of them killed the other and started posing as them...which would frankly be impossible for Shannon. Sorry, but you just can't pose as a guy with that figure. For Shkanon to be possible then it would have to be Kanon who is posing as Shannon.

I find the whole theory ridiculous on the whole, but just sayin'.

Kanon is highly suspicious in general, though. Whether he's the original Battler or there's just more to him we don't know yet (we don't even know his name so obviously there is), we can't yet say, but he definitely knows something. Shannon quite often as well. They're personally my favorite characters after Beato and I feel like Battler in the early arcs not wanting to doubt his family members because I really don't want them to end up being the killers... ^^; Even so, they're almost certainly involved in some way, be they the killers or otherwise.
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Old 2009-12-13, 11:10   Link #238
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Something really smart came into my mind...but dissapeard.... T^T...
oh yeah remembered xD
the change that Kanon kills Nanjo is really high, because we saw "Kanon's Spirit" with Jessica.
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Old 2009-12-13, 12:05   Link #239
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Something really smart came into my mind...but dissapeard.... T^T...
oh yeah remembered xD
the change that Kanon kills Nanjo is really high, because we saw "Kanon's Spirit" with Jessica.
Except at that point Kanon is declared dead - right after the discovery of the 1st twilight which happened several hours before Nanjo's demise.
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Old 2009-12-13, 12:07   Link #240
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Except at that point Kanon is declared dead - right after the discovery of the 1st twilight which happened several hours before Nanjo's demise.
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At the end of Episode 3, witch declares in red that Kanon is dead. She might later say that since both Shannon and Kanon are strict work names, red truth will only work for the real names. Shannon is dead, Kanon is dead. Sure, but what if that only applies to a person who is actually named Shannon and Kanon? It might be 2 random people who died, and are named Kanon and Shannon.
Just an idea though..
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