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Usami_Haru · 2010-01-02, 11:21

Shkanon isnt necessary it is the same as this: In this room there is 18 apples , Even if we include your apples there is 17 apples it dosent say that it cant be more than 17 people/apples

TheForsaken · 2010-01-02, 11:22

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Originally Posted by Augustus

If she used those same words. She is the 18 what? She never said 18th person on rokkenjima.Even if she said it she doesnt specify what 18 person.

If dead people dont count then the number of people in rokkenjima must go down.Everytime a twilight is performed.

She said: I am the 18th guest coming to Rokkenjima.

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Originally Posted by HanyuuChan

Shkanon isnt necessary it is the same as this: In this room there is 18 apples , Even if we include your apples there is 17 apples it dosent say that it cant be more than 17 people/apples

It's not "There are ..." but "It (the number) is 17".

Usami_Haru · 2010-01-02, 11:25

okay I'm not fluent in english so I dont really understand the difference.

TheForsaken · 2010-01-02, 11:28

If "it is 17" then it can't be anything else except 17.

Usami_Haru · 2010-01-02, 11:32

Thanks for the information ^^ ''There is and ''It is'' is translated the same way into swedish so I didnt know that.

Kamar · 2010-01-02, 11:53

Is it definitely stated in such a way that someone other than Erika must be the fake? Or is it just another way of saying she doesn't exist, i.e. if I have 17 apples and add an imaginary apple...I still have 17 apples. 17+0 is still just 17. And just because Erika is the 18th person doesn't mean she's real, or on Rokkenjima.

Edit: That said, Shkanon is seeming more and more likely, and I'd even probably put some money on it being real. Glad that I personally don't care their pairings ^^;

TheForsaken · 2010-01-02, 12:10

About Erika, she must be real. There are some red texts in the game that said Battler, Erika and Kanon are 3 people, and 3 bodies.
And the red texts also mention about Erika go through a door in Rokkenjima, so she must be in Rokkenjima.

Kitsu · 2010-01-02, 12:14

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There are some red texts in the game that said Battler, Erika and Kanon are 3 people, and 3 bodies.

Doesn't that even kinda deny Shkannon? Think about it... Kanon is one person and body right? Theerfore he can't be SHannon/Beato etc. And yes I'm trying to deny Shkannon

Ronove · 2010-01-02, 12:14

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Originally Posted by TheForsaken

About Erika, she must be real. There are some red texts in the game that said Battler, Erika and Kanon are 3 people, and 3 bodies.
And the red texts also mention about Erika go through a door in Rokkenjima, so she must be in Rokkenjima.

Ugh. I'm sort of getting confused on people's interpertation of Erika.

Here's mine:

Based on the red text: Erika does not influence the game, Erika is merely a metaphor of the detective. Her existence is merely those of the "demons" we see.

So Erika's work in Ep. 5 is a confirmation of where everyone is; it's merely a confirmation for many people and evidence.

Hence even if Erika wasn't there, everything would still go as planned.
(I hope my red wasnt' a mistake)

Tjfarmer · 2010-01-02, 12:17

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Originally Posted by Kitsu

Doesn't that even kinda deny Shkannon? Think about it... Kanon is one person and body right? Theerfore he can't be SHannon/Beato etc. And yes I'm trying to deny Shkannon

Unless it mentioned Shannon in that text, then it doesn't deny Shkanon.

If it was "Battler, Erika, Kanon, and Shannon are 4 people, 4 bodies" then that would deny it.

TheForsaken · 2010-01-02, 12:17

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Originally Posted by Kitsu

Doesn't that even kinda deny Shkannon? Think about it... Kanon is one person and body right? Theerfore he can't be SHannon/Beato etc. And yes I'm trying to deny Shkannon

Yes, Kanon is one person with one body. But it doesn't mean that he can't have another name as Shanon.

And btw, the red texts in the end of EP4 just deny that others disguise as Kanon, there is no problem if Kanon disguise others.

Kitsu · 2010-01-02, 12:19

What I meant was..that since Kanon is one person and one body. If he were SHannon as well wouldn't that be 2 persons and one body? ... *sigh* What am I talking about? I'm risking my neck with careless talk again.

Tjfarmer · 2010-01-02, 12:21

Ah, I guess that makes sense... Didn't think about it that way, but I would count Shannon and Kanon being in one body as "2 persons and one body"

**Klashikari** · 2010-01-02, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Golden Witch Drugs

And who the fuck was that dark room person? I never got a grasp on that.

That was simply Battler, when he was tortured to death by the Logic Error. It is basically big foreshadowing and creepy scenes, a bit like the wedding spoiler scene.

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Originally Posted by Ronove

Ugh. I'm sort of getting confused on people's interpertation of Erika.

Here's mine:

Based on the red text: Erika does not influence the game, Erika is merely a metaphor of the detective. Her existence is merely those of the "demons" we see.

That red is effective only about Erika for Episode 1-4.
"Furudo Erika had no influence on any of Beato's games before now."

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So Erika's work in Ep. 5 is a confirmation of where everyone is; it's merely a confirmation for many people and evidence.

No, that is wrong. Proof of it:
"Furudo Erika only increases it by one person."

You can't have a metaphor, if the said person count is increased. Otherwise, that mean all the other 17 can be considered as metaphors, which is totally far fetched.

Erika does exist in Episode 5, and her last red proves she did exist in Ep6 as well.

Megaolix · 2010-01-02, 12:38

Someone answer this: No one asked anything or said anything at the first twilight of Episode 3? The fact that both Shannon and Kanon die in it and the adults found everyone?

I know Battler wasn't there, but one of them would have said something if there was a missing body, don't you think?

TheForsaken · 2010-01-02, 12:43

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Originally Posted by Kitsu

What I meant was..that since Kanon is one person and one body. If he were SHannon as well wouldn't that be 2 persons and one body? ... *sigh* What am I talking about? I'm risking my neck with careless talk again.

Actually it happens like this:
- Beato said in red that Battler, Erika and Kanon are 3 people.
- Erika ask Beato whether the number of people is the same as the number of bodies.
- Then Beato said: Of course. 3 people, so there are 3 bodies.

ijriims · 2010-01-02, 13:15

Okay, let me say this:

If we are counting the order of people who have been on or arrived at Rokkenjima on Oct 4-5, disregarding people who had died before this date (Kinzo), then Erika was the 18th people. (disregarding the number of people who had died BETWEEN Oct4 and 5, because if doing so, the five mothers would have to be not counted as well)

However, if we are counting the number of living people at the time when Erika arrived at Rokkenjima, then she was the 17th.

The meaning of Erika and Battler's red texts were not the same, so they could be true at the same time.

Augustus · 2010-01-02, 13:30

But cant Shkanon be one person 2 bodies?

Leinne · 2010-01-02, 13:31

Did anyone actually read the end, it isn't taht difficult
Erika, for the last time before dying presents herself as the 18th peson, because she believes she's the 18th
BeaBato correct her and say she's the 17th
there are just 16 people in Rokkenjima+erika being the 17th, that's definite, Erika is the 17th person, that's all, by this Shkanon is true because there's no other way around

Midnight Bliss · 2010-01-02, 13:37

And it isn't that difficult for it to be something else, because Ryukishi can come up with anything. It isnt that difficult for it to not be Shkanon, as well. While it isn't outright confirmed, we can make any theories as long as we can and keep making different assumptions because nobody knows what Ryukishi is going to throw at us in the end. I personally will deny Shkanon as long as there is no confirmation, because I myself don't buy any of it. There's countless different thinks Ryukishi can throw at us that we won't expect, and I won't buy Shkanon unless I have to. Using the same thing twice seems kind of eh for Ryukishi, I don't think he'd pull a Shmion type of thing on us again, but like I said, who knows?

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Kamar Author Wannabe Join Date: Aug 2009	Is it definitely stated in such a way that someone other than Erika must be the fake? Or is it just another way of saying she doesn't exist, i.e. if I have 17 apples and add an imaginary apple...I still have 17 apples. 17+0 is still just 17. And just because Erika is the 18th person doesn't mean she's real, or on Rokkenjima. Edit: That said, Shkanon is seeming more and more likely, and I'd even probably put some money on it being real. Glad that I personally don't care their pairings ^^; __________________ A WoW Blog BabyGeek Blog

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TheForsaken Winter is coming Join Date: Aug 2008	About Erika, she must be real. There are some red texts in the game that said Battler, Erika and Kanon are 3 people, and 3 bodies. And the red texts also mention about Erika go through a door in Rokkenjima, so she must be in Rokkenjima. __________________

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Kitsu The unlucky one Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hiding	What I meant was..that since Kanon is one person and one body. If he were SHannon as well wouldn't that be 2 persons and one body? ... sigh What am I talking about? I'm risking my neck with careless talk again. __________________ Thanks for the Signature, Vandakiara

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Megaolix Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009	Someone answer this: No one asked anything or said anything at the first twilight of Episode 3? The fact that both Shannon and Kanon die in it and the adults found everyone? I know Battler wasn't there, but one of them would have said something if there was a missing body, don't you think? __________________ I hate sad and bittersweet endings. Why? Because I think the real world is sad enough as it is. Must our stories be sad too?

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Usami_Haru Actually an Alligator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running through Sharnoth Age: 17	Shkanon isnt necessary it is the same as this: In this room there is 18 apples , Even if we include your apples there is 17 apples it dosent say that it cant be more than 17 people/apples

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Usami_Haru Actually an Alligator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running through Sharnoth Age: 17	okay I'm not fluent in english so I dont really understand the difference.

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Usami_Haru Actually an Alligator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running through Sharnoth Age: 17	Thanks for the information ^^ ''There is and ''It is'' is translated the same way into swedish so I didnt know that.

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Tjfarmer I'm almost there! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bay Area, California Age: 19	Ah, I guess that makes sense... Didn't think about it that way, but I would count Shannon and Kanon being in one body as "2 persons and one body"

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ijriims Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: HK, China	Okay, let me say this: If we are counting the order of people who have been on or arrived at Rokkenjima on Oct 4-5, disregarding people who had died before this date (Kinzo), then Erika was the 18th people. (disregarding the number of people who had died BETWEEN Oct4 and 5, because if doing so, the five mothers would have to be not counted as well) However, if we are counting the number of living people at the time when Erika arrived at Rokkenjima, then she was the 17th. The meaning of Erika and Battler's red texts were not the same, so they could be true at the same time.

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Augustus Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010	But cant Shkanon be one person 2 bodies? __________________ Gapgapgapgapgapgap

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Leinne Who... am I? Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Zaragoza, Spain Age: 21	Did anyone actually read the end, it isn't taht difficult Erika, for the last time before dying presents herself as the 18th peson, because she believes she's the 18th BeaBato correct her and say she's the 17th there are just 16 people in Rokkenjima+erika being the 17th, that's definite, Erika is the 17th person, that's all, by this Shkanon is true because there's no other way around __________________

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Midnight Bliss Radiant as the sun; Graphic Designer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Golden Land	And it isn't that difficult for it to be something else, because Ryukishi can come up with anything. It isnt that difficult for it to not be Shkanon, as well. While it isn't outright confirmed, we can make any theories as long as we can and keep making different assumptions because nobody knows what Ryukishi is going to throw at us in the end. I personally will deny Shkanon as long as there is no confirmation, because I myself don't buy any of it. There's countless different thinks Ryukishi can throw at us that we won't expect, and I won't buy Shkanon unless I have to. Using the same thing twice seems kind of eh for Ryukishi, I don't think he'd pull a Shmion type of thing on us again, but like I said, who knows?