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Old 2010-11-01, 19:55   Link #5021
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Yes.

Umineko theories are like Pokemon.

And Battlertrice is the damn Mewtwo of them.
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Old 2010-11-01, 21:04   Link #5022
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And Battlertrice is the damn Mewtwo of them.
I don't get it. Are you saying Battlertrice is a clone or something?
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Old 2010-11-01, 21:20   Link #5023
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Battlertrice is a clone of itself while being the original AT THE SAME TIME.
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Old 2010-11-01, 22:10   Link #5024
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That and mewtwo is hands down the best of the pokemon. Much like Battlertrice is the best of all theories.
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Old 2010-11-01, 22:33   Link #5025
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Battler having a clone running around explains why he can be in the same room as Shannon or Kanon, since Battler = Beatrice = Shkanon.

Ryukishi works are allowed to have ONE paranormal thing. The single clone can be the Hanyuu of Umineko.

...or he has a clone via an IDENTICAL TWIN. The Other Battler isn't the "Battler" Asumu gave birth to...Kyrie had twins, and while Rudolf intended to give a twin to each of his lovers, Kyrie got screwed over because the other one became the MF19YA/Yasu/Lion.

Battler is still an MPD Narcissist due to Twin Telepathy.
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Old 2010-11-01, 22:38   Link #5026
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I thought the random paranormal thing of Umineko was Lambda's fashion sense.
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Old 2010-11-01, 22:45   Link #5027
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Battler having a clone running around explains why he can be in the same room as Shannon or Kanon, since Battler = Beatrice = Shkanon.

Ryukishi works are allowed to have ONE paranormal thing. The single clone can be the Hanyuu of Umineko.

...or he has a clone via an IDENTICAL TWIN. The Other Battler isn't the "Battler" Asumu gave birth to...Kyrie had twins, and while Rudolf intended to give a twin to each of his lovers, Kyrie got screwed over because the other one became the MF19YA/Yasu/Lion.

Battler is still an MPD Narcissist due to Twin Telepathy.
Clones are not paranormal fantasies they're science fiction. But then again we do have a hint in episode 3.
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Old 2010-11-01, 23:35   Link #5028
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I didn't use the word fantasy, but clones ARE paranormal in that they are "beyond normal." Paranormal and Supernatural are not synonyms.
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Old 2010-11-01, 23:57   Link #5029
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That and mewtwo is hands down the best of the pokemon. Much like Battlertrice is the best of all theories.
Pretty much all of the above.

Mewtwo is all things to all people.

Much like Beatrice.
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Old 2010-11-02, 02:44   Link #5030
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I will take this opportunity to say that I will use my "Desire Ball" and capture this legendary Battlertrice once I have solve the Epitaph and beaten the Purgatorio League.

After that I will travel to Rokkenjima, (which is obviously behind the Cat Box region of the nation) to partake in the suicide mission to find the cove in which the Godly beast awaits...

(to be continued...)
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Old 2010-11-02, 13:54   Link #5031
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Ryukishi works are allowed to have ONE paranormal thing. The single clone can be the Hanyuu of Umineko.
Yeah! While watching all those fantasy battles, neon light display arguments and random scantily clad demons I was always wondering "Where is that paranormal element these games usually have?"
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Old 2010-11-02, 14:00   Link #5032
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Battler having a clone running around explains why he can be in the same room as Shannon or Kanon, since Battler = Beatrice = Shkanon.

Ryukishi works are allowed to have ONE paranormal thing. The single clone can be the Hanyuu of Umineko.

...or he has a clone via an IDENTICAL TWIN. The Other Battler isn't the "Battler" Asumu gave birth to...Kyrie had twins, and while Rudolf intended to give a twin to each of his lovers, Kyrie got screwed over because the other one became the MF19YA/Yasu/Lion.

Battler is still an MPD Narcissist due to Twin Telepathy.
Spoiler for Higurashi:


Spoiler for Ep 7:
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Old 2010-11-02, 16:43   Link #5033
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Yeah! While watching all those fantasy battles, neon light display arguments and random scantily clad demons I was always wondering "Where is that paranormal element these games usually have?"
Since none of that is ACTUALLY happening, I'm not sure it would count.

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Old 2010-11-02, 17:23   Link #5034
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Since none of that is ACTUALLY happening, I'm not sure it would count.
So... you'd just randomly hallucinate all that normally?
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Old 2010-11-02, 18:24   Link #5035
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I'm saying it literally never happened. It's fiction. Shit that Beatrice is making up, kind of like how all of Umineko is shit Ryukishi is making up. Incase you haven't noticed, the basic premise of the story is that this magic stuff isn't happening and Battler has to prove it.
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Old 2010-11-03, 13:51   Link #5036
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sorry to cut in the middell but whatever big theory you have there i dont know what to think about that.

but i think i figured what is beatrice- or more like, what so spaciel about the game.
im not sure im right or wrong, but its kinda logical (to me at least)
also i have no idea if it was already said in here or not.

so here what i think: the killers of evry episode is not beatrice! the true master maind -beatrice- use blackmail "x" on some people and make them do the killing (or help in other ways).
its kinda like what happend to natsuhi in EP 5.
if i think more about it, the threat can be conected like that:
natsuhi - kid from 19 years ago.
kyre - ange's death.
rosa- maria's death.
kumasawa - her family or something (EP4)
nanjo - his family or something (EP4)
maria - magic.
genij - order from kinzo.
ETC

i think its kinda explain why there are diffrent killers and riddels and more and more in each EP...
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Old 2010-11-03, 14:35   Link #5037
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Well, I think you're on the track that everyone else is on sorta because it is pretty much impossible for there to be one killer who goes after everyone in each game, but I'm not entirely sure you could blackmail the entire cast into doing things. Certain characters would be much harder to coerce than others, such as Kyrie. I think it's also pretty clear at this point whoever Beatrice is isn't the real culprit anyway.
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Old 2010-11-03, 15:08   Link #5038
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The more episode 8 draws near, the more I realize I'm rather disappointed with the series.

I think that episode 5 was the high point of Umineko for me. It felt like there were a lot of possibilities, and I just had to think about it to get to an amazing answer.

Now that we are getting to episode 8, I feel rather...disappointed. The whole Beatrice/killer/motive thing as they were presented up until now just feel like a serious letdown.

I'm hoping that episode 8 will surprise me, but I feel like it really let me down.
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Old 2010-11-03, 15:13   Link #5039
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Detective novels usually have recreation of the events which are just red herrings for the ultimate conclusion. It could be that RK07 feels satisfied with these endings and just uses EP8 to draw it to the end or it could be that EP8 actually gives a whole different truth from what we've been getting.
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Old 2010-11-03, 15:16   Link #5040
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Detective novels usually have recreation of the events which are just red herrings for the ultimate conclusion. It could be that RK07 feels satisfied with these endings and just uses EP8 to draw it to the end or it could be that EP8 actually gives a whole different truth from what we've been getting.
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