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Old 2013-06-28, 05:45   Link #4041
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The final preview is out, Sakurai gets mentioned, looking forward to it. Oh, and Kirino is still cute.
Is there a youtube link to it? The main site seems to be down.

Edit: nevermind it's working now.
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Old 2013-06-28, 11:02   Link #4042
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I think we were discussing here and not insulting people . And no one said that everything in this story is 100% fake.
You didn't miss something; you read too much into what I said, sometimes a message means exactly what is written and has no hidden meanings. People see what they want though, and I cannot fault for them that ^^, it's only human nature after all.

Edit: What I'm say is it might be fiction, but it's not science fiction.

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Old 2013-06-28, 11:10   Link #4043
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Old 2013-06-28, 11:11   Link #4044
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The final preview is out, Sakurai gets mentioned, looking forward to it. Oh, and Kirino is still cute.
Hmm it seems that I'm miss a critical link. Can you please post it?

Edit: I'm terrible at finding stuff on the Internet.

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Old 2013-06-29, 04:31   Link #4045
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Hmm it seems that I'm miss a critical link. Can you please post it?

Edit: I'm terrible at finding stuff on the Internet.
You can find the preview at this place:

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Thank you very much. *chuckles* Now to go learn Japanese...and get over this feeling like "you ask for it, idiot" *extremely red face*

Edit: Hmmm Google translator works too I guess. Thanks again
You're welcome

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Old 2013-06-29, 05:00   Link #4046
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You can find the preview at this place:

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Thank you very much. *chuckles* Now to go learn Japanese...and get over this feeling like "you ask for it, idiot" *extremely red face*

Edit: Hmmm Google translator works too I guess. Thanks again
Edit: Thank you. Is that a picture of a young Ayase with an eye patch?

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Old 2013-06-29, 12:54   Link #4047
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Some news:

Spoiler for vol.12:
The Ayase part that has already been animated. Waiting for chapter 3 of the translation. All in all the Chinese guy has done a good job during his speed translation.
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Old 2013-06-30, 06:06   Link #4048
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I have to say that I am completely happy with how the ending played off in volume 12. I think they made the right decision, I cried so much reading this volume that its unreal but I also laughed deeply! It just left me feeling alone after it was done, But I also feel like I finally passed the border that was seperating me from the 3D wall. Just like Kirino had her eroge I had this LN and anime. Once the last 3 episodes comes, I will probably move on for good from this mile stone in my life! Its been a long journey.. LONG LONG journey and I dont regret anything, all those months waiting/late nights reading. Now its finally time to focus on 3D and work hard just like Kirino during my final years of highschool. Realizing how Kyosuke had to say goodbye to everything, Man it really was touching because I will be going through the same thing soon.

Oof, I wont forget these guys.
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Old 2013-06-30, 14:53   Link #4049
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where can i find the light novels online ? translated of course
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Old 2013-06-30, 15:01   Link #4050
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where can i find the light novels online ? translated of course
Look for baka tsuki.
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Old 2013-06-30, 19:50   Link #4051
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where can i find the light novels online ? translated of course
18th of august is far away. And it's been a long time since I read the light novels. I think I will kill some time by reading it again from volume 1 .

The novels will make you understand the story a lot better. Looking at the anime. They did a great job. But for a better understanding it is important to read the novels.

I see a lot of hate towards manami/kirino. But I think they miss just the important things why it played out that way between them. Besides it is too soon to Judge the anime because it has not ended yet.
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Old 2013-06-30, 21:46   Link #4052
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18th of august is far away. And it's been a long time since I read the light novels. I think I will kill some time by reading it again from volume 1 .

The novels will make you understand the story a lot better. Looking at the anime. They did a great job. But for a better understanding it is important to read the novels.

I see a lot of hate towards manami/kirino. But I think they miss just the important things why it played out that way between them. Besides it is too soon to Judge the anime because it has not ended yet.
The monologues. Bless the soul, the monologues are completely necessary to understand Kyousuke's character. I believe that the writing of the story is fairly decent, and he doesn't use the obvious cop-outs to end the story which I respect. Despite the valid criticism that the author should write an ending that is received by the fans, I think that the author writing the ending that he wanted enriched the story since he could pour more of his passion into what he was writing. This ain't no masterpiece of a romance novel but it ain't a bad ride i think. will edit later
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Old 2013-06-30, 23:41   Link #4053
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is there any spolier of the bonus novel¿¿¿
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Old 2013-07-01, 01:24   Link #4054
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is there any spolier of the bonus novel¿¿¿
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...it's about chuunibyou Tamaki visits Kirino to watch a Meruru Remake 10 years after the end of the story (remember that Tamaki is a Meruru fan in present-day). Future Tamaki apparently looks just like Kuroneko does present-day. Kirino is apparently so beautiful for her age that chuuni-Tamaki considers her a modern-day witch. () Hinata also goes to see Kirino to ask for "life counselling" about her little sister. None of the other characters appear.
(I think this is probably the fourth re-post. )
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Old 2013-07-01, 05:00   Link #4055
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ok, first sorry for make you re-post the spoiler for fourth time, and second, REALLY¿¿¡¡ none of the other characters appear¿¿ so basically is not clear whether kirino and kyouske are dating or are normal siblings, just suck more
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Old 2013-07-01, 05:55   Link #4056
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ok, first sorry for make you re-post the spoiler for fourth time, and second, REALLY¿¿¡¡ none of the other characters appear¿¿ so basically is not clear whether kirino and kyouske are dating or are normal siblings, just suck more
It's that kind of ending. It's up to you to decide: 'what happens next?'. You also must consider that Kirino is just 15 years old and Kyousuke 18 years old. Think about it. It's not easy for them to be lovers or run away together. Right now, they can't do this if they want to be together in the future. Think about the famliy issue (they can be separated ), society, school and future jobs. This story tells you about what happend between Kirino and kyouse, starting from the age 14 and 17 until the age of 15 and 18. This story doesn't say anything about the future. Everything is possible in the future (romance, normal siblings etc.)

But, there are different opinions on how to interpret the ending.
You can search for some good explanations made by SigUp, relentlessflame and others in this thread. I hope this clarifies things.

Start reading from page 184.

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Old 2013-07-01, 15:52   Link #4057
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Okay looking back on the final fight with Manami. Something starts to bother me
about it and that is why have. nothing come of it there relationship isn't brought to light and the siblings stay "together". The only thing the happens is they lose one friend. The couple walk off in to the sunset happy as can be. It's even more pointless when the author says he wonted to give Kirino a happy ending. The fight then is just one last way of getting more hate shifted to Manami. She doesn't need to be there in the end. Kyousuke and Kirino know how hard things will be for them and have the "break up" already planed. Knowing all of this just seems like a cheap way of dragging Manami though the mud one last time. I'm not really trying to defended her it's just this feels pointless looking at it again and knowing what the author said. The world was in Kirino favor from the begging sure some people still don't like her, but in the book everything and person practically bend over backwards for her. Dose anyone else see this or am I just grabbing a nothing?
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Old 2013-07-01, 15:56   Link #4058
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Manami was the cause for everything that happened in the novels...how could she not be included in the end?
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Old 2013-07-01, 16:00   Link #4059
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Okay looking back on the final fight with Manami. Something starts to bother me
about it and that is why have. nothing come of it there relationship isn't brought to light and the siblings stay "together". The only thing the happens is they lose one friend. The couple walk off in to the sunset happy as can be. It's even more pointless when the author says he wonted to give Kirino a happy ending. The fight then is just one last way of getting more hate shifted to Manami. She doesn't need to be there in the end. Kyousuke and Kirino know how hard things will be for them and have the "break up" already planed. Knowing all of this just seems like a cheap way of dragging Manami though the mud one last time. I'm not really trying to defended her it's just this feels pointless looking at it again and knowing what the author said. The world was in Kirino favor from the begging sure some people still don't like her, but in the book everything and person practically bend over backwards for her. Dose anyone else see this or am I just grabbing a nothing?
Kirino being Manami's friend? She is her eternal enemy. Looking back at the novels and really reading through the lines and understanding every single word is important to get to this conclusion. If you look back at it, Kirino had the hardest way, she is his sister, she cant speak and convey her feelings freely. If anything, Manami is to blame for the current situation.
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Old 2013-07-01, 23:10   Link #4060
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The fight then is just one last way of getting more hate shifted to Manami. She doesn't need to be there in the end. Kyousuke and Kirino know how hard things will be for them and have the "break up" already planed. Knowing all of this just seems like a cheap way of dragging Manami though the mud one last time.
I don't think the intention of the conflict is really to drag Manami through the mud; it only comes across that way if you look at it from Kirino's perspective (because Manami is Kirino's "enemy"). But it's very important to understand that Manami is absolutely not Kyousuke's enemy, nor really Kirino's true enemy in the end.

If you look at it another way, she's the only one of Kyousuke's friends who is prepared to sacrifice her own standing with him in order to (try to) protect him from potentially making a "mistake" that could very well ruin his life. If you knew that one of your best friends was about to do something that could really hurt their future, would you really just sit back and watch? She knows Kyousuke more than just about anyone. In her view, Kyousuke is the sort of risk-taker who's willing to do crazy things for others' sake -- she's known that about him since childhood. She's been trying to protect him from himself for years by encouraging him to accept his limits. And now he's back to his old habits, and it seems to her that Kirino might have put him up to it again (because, as she said before, he has always been seeking Kirino's praise/approval).

The central reason for the conflict is to remind Kyousuke (and Kirino) of the potential consequences of their choices, so they have to face it through her before something worse happens. And this is logical because Manami is the one who helped clean up the "mess" last time Kyousuke's crazy plan backfired three years ago, so he will absolutely remember the lesson he learned back then. But this is one "mess" that, beyond this conflict, she can't really save him from. The key message that Kyousuke needed to convey to her is that he did indeed learn the lesson she taught him -- that he's aware of his limits, that he still wanted to make this choice of his own accord, and that he's prepared to deal with the consequences on his own. That's why, even though they already knew they were going to give up their open relationship shortly thereafter, he still stood his ground and had to reject his best friend. In the end, this was the last and most important thing she could do for him as his "family".

In a way, it's not so dissimilar to how Kyousuke took responsibility for Kirino's eroge at the beginning of the story, and the Dad still had to punch him even though he knew full well that Kyousuke was just lying to protect Kirino -- and after that, the Dad could willingly turn a blind eye to it. What Manami does here is pretty similar -- since they haven't told their parents, she has to play the "authority figure" to make sure they know full well that what they're doing is dangerous and that they (and particularly Kyousuke) are willing to take responsibility. At the end, the punch she gives him is just like the punch Kyousuke's Dad gave him at the beginning. And then she walks away because she said what had to be said. And that was particularly hard for her given that he's also the person she loved. But, in her view, she couldn't very well say she loved Kyousuke and let him go down this dangerous path without at least putting up a fight.

Now all this isn't to say that Manami was totally pure and blameless in her intents either -- by her own admission, she's just as self-interested and jealous as any other girl, and she has been hiding a little bit of this "darker" side from Kyousuke (her love interest) just like anyone might. She probably didn't want Kyousuke to know that she was resentful of Kirino because it's a bit childish and petty. But Kyousuke doesn't judge her for this, because he recognizes that ultimately Manami's primary motivation was trying to look out for him in her own way all this time. Honestly, in that moment Kyousuke demonstrates some significant maturity. It's sort of like how a child gets frustrated with their restrictive parents growing up, but later in life comes to appreciate what they were trying to do and why. She certainly wasn't right about everything, but as even the book says: she's not the real "last boss".

All this to say, there is a lot of stuff going on just under the surface in that scene that provide important closure to all the characters and cap off some major character development for Kyousuke. And in the end, I honestly don't think people should look down on Manami as much as they do. As I said before, I don't necessarily agree with everything she did, but I don't think the books were truly making her into the enemy that people want to see her as. That's only how things look on the surface from one point of view.
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