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Old 2013-04-14, 12:57   Link #1621
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So, you guys, as hard it is to catch up on the forum main discussion, in lovers of the series, are the light novels worth picking up... or if I stay with the anime I won't lose any important monologues that may be important within the series that the anime left out, 'cause I've encountered that problem with a few anime adaption from LN and I just... No.
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Old 2013-04-14, 13:13   Link #1622
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So, you guys, as hard it is to catch up on the forum main discussion, in lovers of the series, are the light novels worth picking up... or if I stay with the anime I won't lose any important monologues that may be important within the series that the anime left out, 'cause I've encountered that problem with a few anime adaption from LN and I just... No.
I would def pick up the LNs if you enjoy the series.

The anime offers the animation of some of my favorite scenes from the LN, and is something I can still look forward to even though "I know how things will turn out". The anime can act as a supplement, and shouldn't be criticized for not having every single scene drawn out.

I also find the anime to be faithful enough to its original work.
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Old 2013-04-14, 13:29   Link #1623
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I would def pick up the LNs if you enjoy the series.

The anime offers the animation of some of my favorite scenes from the LN, and is something I can still look forward to even though "I know how things will turn out". The anime can act as a supplement, and shouldn't be criticized for not having every single scene drawn out.

I also find the anime to be faithful enough to its original work.
I keep poking at Yen press to pick this LN series and the LN version of Toradora up. Until then, we have the unlicensed translations floating about and many thanks to those fans.
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Old 2013-04-14, 13:36   Link #1624
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I keep poking at Yen press to pick this LN series and the LN version of Toradora up. Until then, we have the unlicensed translations floating about and many thanks to those fans.
The only successful advertising that YEN has done over their debut to light novels is getting the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya series to the states but there's many popular titles that have not got their chance to our english bookshelf (
Fate/Zero anyone?) The internet is my only source to asian literature and others.
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Old 2013-04-14, 18:29   Link #1625
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The only successful advertising that YEN has done over their debut to light novels is getting the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya series to the states but there's many popular titles that have not got their chance to our english bookshelf (
Fate/Zero anyone?) The internet is my only source to asian literature and others.
Also Spice & Wolf, so agreed that it is likely that hard working amateurs will remain the primary source for such things.
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Old 2013-04-16, 11:13   Link #1626
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The last two weeks, I have read the first eight volumes of the light novels of Oreimo. The story, which I already knew from the anime adaption felt really like, that at at part nothing big changed. Slowing passing the 6th volume and the 7th volume and of course, the 8th novel, it really put me through an rollercoaster ride. Many things happened, that I never expected to happen.

To make it short, I never thought, it would get that interesting and addicting. I hope to read the volumes 9, 10 and 11!
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Old 2013-04-16, 21:16   Link #1627
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The last two weeks, I have read the first eight volumes of the light novels of Oreimo. The story, which I already knew from the anime adaption felt really like, that at at part nothing big changed. Slowing passing the 6th volume and the 7th volume and of course, the 8th novel, it really put me through an rollercoaster ride. Many things happened, that I never expected to happen.

To make it short, I never thought, it would get that interesting and addicting. I hope to read the volumes 9, 10 and 11!
Actually, volume 3 was quite different from the anime.
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Old 2013-04-17, 02:44   Link #1628
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From a professional stand point I can attest to the fact that the editor, who represents the actual publisher, has final say on how the story will play out or end. So if the writer turns in something the editor doesn't like the company usually takes his word for it, now I don't know exactly how much sway the writer has with the company, but from what I know of japanese publishing houses it doesn't amount to much. From what works I know of from Dengeki they don't usually have those dark taboo light novels, at least from the catalogue of theirs I've read(well except maybe Boogiepop). If you want to have an idea of the ending look at the publisher and editors history of releases, granted it's not 100% accurate but at least it's an idea, it's a start.

Now from a personal standpoint I doubt there will be an incest end Oreimo has been a light hearted funny comedy, usually incest ends will have more serious stories and darker situations. Plus, barring the imoutocons, the story ending with KyouXKiri would leave a sour taste in the mouth of alot of people. These are just my two cents take it or leave it.
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Old 2013-04-17, 05:40   Link #1629
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From what works I know of from Dengeki they don't usually have those dark taboo light novels
That's exactly how I felt reading Dengeki novels, they intentionally try to avoid those dark taboos. That's why I'm surprised at first to see Oreimo, which I assumed to be an incest work, under Dengeki Bunko. Another thing I realized is that Dengeki novels tend to have some kind of strong main driving force behind their plots (compared to something like.. Baka to Test or Nyaruko-san).

It's a little hard to guess the ending from Oreimo's editor (Miki Kazuma) as he has quite a variety of genres under his wing. I presume most of the works given to him has either problematic writers (Kamachi Kazuma who aims to be "the laziest writer", Kawahara Reki and his sex/rape scenes, Iruma Hitoma and Satou Tsutomu's Denpa level..) or potentially problematic content (Personal opinion, I don't see anything wrong with Fushimi, it might be possible excessive indication of incest in the novels that the publisher is worried about.)
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Old 2013-04-17, 07:21   Link #1630
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That's exactly how I felt reading Dengeki novels, they intentionally try to avoid those dark taboos. That's why I'm surprised at first to see Oreimo, which I assumed to be an incest work, under Dengeki Bunko. Another thing I realized is that Dengeki novels tend to have some kind of strong main driving force behind their plots (compared to something like.. Baka to Test or Nyaruko-san).

It's a little hard to guess the ending from Oreimo's editor (Miki Kazuma) as he has quite a variety of genres under his wing. I presume most of the works given to him has either problematic writers (Kamachi Kazuma who aims to be "the laziest writer", Kawahara Reki and his sex/rape scenes, Iruma Hitoma and Satou Tsutomu's Denpa level..) or potentially problematic content (Personal opinion, I don't see anything wrong with Fushimi, it might be possible excessive indication of incest in the novels that the publisher is worried about.)
That's about the only thing I disagree on with your post. The dude writes the novels, manga, short stories, movies/ovas and oversees the anime adaptations, rabble rouser yea but not lazy lol. Anyway Oreimo being a part of Dengeki makes me doubt the incest end, the underlying theme for me is reconciling siblings and psychological and emotional growth.
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Old 2013-04-17, 07:47   Link #1631
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That's about the only thing I disagree on with your post. The dude writes the novels, manga, short stories, movies/ovas and oversees the anime adaptations, rabble rouser yea but not lazy lol.
Yeah I know that since I'm a big follower of the Toaru series too. But that's exactly what Kamachi said when he debuted. He's a genius (A little generalization here, but geniuses are typically eccentric and hard to handle), and that's probably why they left him to Miki. He seems to have grown a fair bit (his stories are less disjointed now) under Miki's care. Well this is an Oreimo forum so I don't wish to delve further into it.

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Anyway Oreimo being a part of Dengeki makes me doubt the incest end, the underlying theme for me is reconciling siblings and psychological and emotional growth.
Agreed. I think Kyousuke's romance is simply a plot device for that.
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Old 2013-04-17, 08:03   Link #1632
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Agreed. I think Kyousuke's romance is simply a plot device for that.
While I also agreed, part of me still want a Kirino-end, or at least a open-end. After so long cheering for her, I couldn't just give up halfway.
Btw, Volume 9 Chapter 2 is uploaded, and please give me your opinions about what volume should I translate next here:
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/in...ion_for_OreImo
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Old 2013-04-17, 08:22   Link #1633
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//Fanboi mode
Would like to see Kyousuke accept Ayase's confession and the rest of the novel focus on how it affects Kyousuke and Kirino's relationship.

Either way at some point, Kirino needs to face her affection towards Kyousuke: may it be romantic love or sibling love, she gotta sort it out. I don't think Kyousuke has raised enough flags for a Kirino lover-end though. At best I expect a single Kyousuke to get the kawaii imouto he longed for and the two of them spend a lot of time together... who knows... stuff might happen if they keep playing eroge together and mood is just right ... will leave that to the doujins.


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While I also agreed, part of me still want a Kirino-end, or at least a open-end. After so long cheering for her, I couldn't just give up halfway.
Btw, Volume 9 Chapter 2 is uploaded, and please give me your opinions about what volume should I translate next here:
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/in...ion_for_OreImo
Ayase volume best volume.
Their mother is such a troll too .
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Old 2013-04-17, 08:30   Link #1634
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Btw, Volume 9 Chapter 2 is uploaded, and please give me your opinions about what volume should I translate next here:
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/in...ion_for_OreImo
You shouldn't have done Volume 9 first! haha
To be honest 10 -> 11 -> 12 would be fine.

By the way, what language are you translating this from? Japanese?

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Would like to see Kyousuke accept Ayase's confession and the rest of the novel focus on how it affects Kyousuke and Kirino's relationship..
At least that's not gonna happen. He just gathered up courage to confess in Volume 11.

An Ayase ending (Which at this point I really think is most logical) would possibly pan out like -
Chapter 1 - Kyousuke puts Ayase on hold. Apologizes to Kuroneko while Kuroneko decides (if she hasn't already) to sacrifice for everyone's future as she probably could not handle the balance between Kyousuke and Kirino, while she recognizes Ayase as someone who would be able to. (Kuroneko as always, This will be very painful for anyone to read)

Chapter 2 - Timeskip to after Volume 11, Kyousuke confesses to Ayase (in a bizarre comical fashion?) Afterwards, Kirino officially apologizes to and forgives Kyousuke (Make this as touching as possible).

Chapter 3 - The Winter Comiket where Kuroneko brings the promised new friend, Ayase cosplays, and all the characters assemble.

Chapter 4 - Kirino's departure.

There isn't a character I support more than the other, I'll support any logical ending, it's just that currently I think this is the most logical way to end this series.

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Old 2013-04-17, 09:32   Link #1635
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While I am inclined to believe that Ayase end is the most probable and the one I am expecting the most.

It seems very counter intuitive to go with the Ayase end when a major part of the character development has been about the siblings growing relationship. As many think that the incest route is the most improbable which I agree with, the most important thing to validate the relationship of Kirino and Kyousuke as siblings would be for Kirino to accept and let go of her brother.

Which would imply that the reason for Kuroneko's breakup is now settled. As they all grow up and mature and so on and so forth. Choosing Ayase in this situation seems like simply taking the easy way out.

Despite that I still think that the way it has developed Ayase route seems the most likely.

I do agree any thing works for me if it makes sense.
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Old 2013-04-17, 09:52   Link #1636
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An Ayase end would bring forth a major backlash from Kuroneko fans: after having solved the Kirino problem, going for Ayase instead of going back to Kuroneko makes Kyousuke look like an ass.

I think a good end for the novel would be for Kyousuke to be in a stable relationship, but still goes after Kirino after she leaves to Europe: this will be the last proof Kirino wanted of Kyousuke still caring about her even though he has a girlfriend.

(Bonus points if he brings Ayase along)
(and the three of them plays an eroge together... then volumes ends when Ayase and Kirino glaring at Kyousuke when he must choose between the imouto route or the yandere black hair girl route in game...)
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Old 2013-04-17, 10:44   Link #1637
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You shouldn't have done Volume 9 first! haha
To be honest 10 -> 11 -> 12 would be fine.

By the way, what language are you translating this from? Japanese?
As I said, in the end of volume 9 there was a line that confirm Kirino's over sisterly feeling that I considered important enough to do entire volume 9 (I'm a Kirino fan, not Ayase )
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Old 2013-04-17, 13:57   Link #1638
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An Ayase end would bring forth a major backlash from Kuroneko fans: after having solved the Kirino problem, going for Ayase instead of going back to Kuroneko makes Kyousuke look like an ass.

I think a good end for the novel would be for Kyousuke to be in a stable relationship, but still goes after Kirino after she leaves to Europe: this will be the last proof Kirino wanted of Kyousuke still caring about her even though he has a girlfriend.
I think I'm basically with you on this one, at least in the broad concept. Keep in mind the illustration Ruri drew of her, Kyousuke, and Kirino together. There's no doubt that Kyousuke has fancied Ayase, but I think it's almost more because he knew she was unobtainable. It's basically like having a crush on an actress or model... which is essentially what it is. I think, when he's forced to make a serious decision about where his heart lies, it makes less sense to head in that direction at this point in the story.

In the upcoming final volume, Kirino and Kyousuke basically have to come to terms with their feelings for each other, and I suspect it'll fall in the "more than siblings, but not quite lovers" camp that it's already in now. And I think Ruri is the one girl who really understands and accepts that more completely than anyone else. I don't think she'd accept a renewed relationship with Kyousuke if Kirino has to run away again for it to happen (considering her role in bringing Kirino back the first time). And/or, if Kirino does insist on going away for a time, I think Ruri would agree to wait to settle things until Kirino returns ("eternal rivals/best friends"), and the novels would end with a timeskip and "Okaeri, Kirino..." *. I think this would keep a nice parallelism between the two "halves" of the work, and tie up most of the loose ends.

Of course, not saying that's the only option... but I think that'd be my bet. We'll know in two months...

* P.S. If the author really wants to troll the readers, he could finish it off with "Tadaima, Kyousuke..."
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Old 2013-04-17, 23:17   Link #1639
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Ayase is still rejecting the notion of her having feelings for Kyousuke deep into Volume 10 (technically speaking, she's a tsundere not yandere) , I'm a little surprised that she's ready for a Kyousuke confession before the stalker incident. When I look back on what has changed, basically she talked to Kuroneko. From Kuroneko's history, I think Kuroneko basically just forced Ayase to admit that Ayase has feelings for Kyousuke. And the pinch in Volume 12 Prologue, it seems like Kuroneko is determined in forcing Ayase to tell Kirino that Ayase's gonna confess to Kyousuke. Kuroneko is a little like... Kushieda Minori from Toradora.

I'll put it this way - the path is paved for Kyousuke to choose Ayase, probably thanks to to Kuroneko's hardwork, but it depends on him whether he would choose Kuroneko. Both endings are acceptable.

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Ayase is still rejecting the notion of her having feelings for Kyousuke
her = Kirino?
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