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Old 2013-05-20, 02:02   Link #1861
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Honestly, if the story decides to actually go in this direction, then I think we know exactly where it's going to end up. Kirino running away, even she thinks it is for Kyousuke's sake, is not the answer. It won't make Kyousuke happy and that in turn won't make whoever he sees as his romantic partner happy either. So I think the idea that they'd make up and then permanently part ways to somehow make way for Kyousuke's love life with someone else is, in my view, not a likely story path. The only way for Kirino to leave is if they discuss it together and she says farewell for a time, only to return home later.

The very idea that Kirino may have in her own mind decided that she's going to leave "for Kyousuke's sake" only makes it more likely, in my view, that he calls her out on deciding things on her own again. She can't assume what's best for him without letting him have his say.
I'm saying that was what she was thinking, not that it is a likely story path. I'm pretty sure Manami got angry at her because she was thinking like this. Of course the likely story path is that they are going to mature and make up.
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Old 2013-05-20, 02:22   Link #1862
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I'm saying that was what she was thinking, not that it is a likely story path. I'm pretty sure Manami got angry at her because she was thinking like this. Of course the likely story path is that they are going to mature and make up.
I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that Manami and Kirino will make up? Or do you mean Kyousuke and Kirino will make up? If it's Manami and Kirino, then I see it the same way as how the PSP games had them "Make Up". If you're talking about Kyousuke and Kirino...I don't see what they need to make up about since there's no real problem between them.
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Old 2013-05-20, 02:39   Link #1863
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I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that Manami and Kirino will make up? Or do you mean Kyousuke and Kirino will make up? If it's Manami and Kirino, then I see it the same way as how the PSP games had them "Make Up". If you're talking about Kyousuke and Kirino...I don't see what they need to make up about since there's no real problem between them.
What? In Volume 11, Kirino already made up with Manami, but rejected the idea of making up with Kyousuke.
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Old 2013-05-20, 02:40   Link #1864
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I think Kirino has let it go after Volume 9 Chapter 2, the second she realized her brother isn't a superhero. I'd imagine the "oath" she made in Chapter 7 is to make Kyousuke happy, hence her later thoughts like leaving the country.

Yes and I think by saying he's prepared to confess in Volume 11, Kyousuke will be the one to break the loop, and the promise too.
Read the last line of Volume 9 Chapter 7. She knew that her brother is not a superhero. That didn't mean she would give up. If you could control your heart with your mind, life would be simplier.
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I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that Manami and Kirino will make up? Or do you mean Kyousuke and Kirino will make up? If it's Manami and Kirino, then I see it the same way as how the PSP games had them "Make Up". If you're talking about Kyousuke and Kirino...I don't see what they need to make up about since there's no real problem between them.
They had one : the reason for the Cold War that drifted themselves apart. But that was solved in Volume 11 though.
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Old 2013-05-20, 02:48   Link #1865
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Read the last line of Volume 9 Chapter 7. She knew that her brother is not a superhero. That didn't mean she would give up. If you could control your heart with your mind, life would be simplier.
That itself is a contradiction, how do you marry your sister if you aren't omnipotent? Is it legally possible? It is socially acceptable?
I'll answer about Volume 9 later.
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Old 2013-05-20, 03:20   Link #1866
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That itself is a contradiction, how do you marry your sister if you aren't omnipotent? Is it legally possible? It is socially acceptable?
I'll answer about Volume 9 later.
I'm not talking about marry. I'm talking about the fact that desprite knowing that her feeling is not normal, she still unable to get rid of it.
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Old 2013-05-20, 03:41   Link #1867
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I'm not talking about marry. I'm talking about the fact that desprite knowing that her feeling is not normal, she still unable to get rid of it.
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繋いだ手を、しっかりと握りしめる。
もう二度とはぐれないように

I think what you said was the case. She realized it's wrong, she wanted to end it by going abroad with her brother hating her, but it can only end when she finds a new love.
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Old 2013-05-20, 03:58   Link #1868
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Yeah it's
繋いだ手を、しっかりと握りしめる。
もう二度とはぐれないように

I think what you said was the case. She realized it's wrong, she wanted to end it by going abroad with her brother hating her, but it can only end when she finds a new love.
I don't think that it's so simple.I mean she was (or rather is) in love with her brother for almost her whole life.I mean which person does love a another person for such a long period of time?First she must to face her feelings and eventually confess to her brother.Without that she would just end up loving her brother for the rest of her life.I don't think that finding a new love is so simple.Normally if you love someone and you know that you don't have a chance to get together with that particular person, you try to distance yourself from that person and find a new love.But Kyousuke is a part of Kirino's family,so distance herself from him isn't going to be simple.Even if she's going to abroad again,she has to face him sooner or later.
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Old 2013-05-20, 04:04   Link #1869
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I don't think that it's so simple.I mean she was (or rather is) in love with her brother for almost her whole life.I mean which person does love a another person for such a long period of time?First she must to face her feelings and eventually confess to her brother.Without that she would just end up loving her brother for the rest of her life.I don't think that finding a new love is so simple.Normally if you love someone and you know that you don't have a chance to get together with that particular person, you try to distance yourself from that person and find a new love.But Kyousuke is a part of Kirino's family,so distance herself from him isn't going to be simple.Even if she's going to abroad again,she has to face him sooner or later.
Well Kyousuke's gonna move out for college, which gives some distance. Whether she's going abroad or not, she'll just have to mature and face the fact that it's illegal and impossible, until she gets a new love.
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Old 2013-05-20, 04:11   Link #1870
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Well Kyousuke's gonna move out for college, which gives some distance. Whether she's going abroad or not, she'll just have to mature and face the fact that it's illegal and impossible, until she gets a new love.
Yeah,but it's not just "just".How you describe it,it sounds like it's going to be a easy task.You can't just "mature" out of a love and go on with your life,especially in the case of Kirino.She is in love with her brother for almost her whole life.If the Human mind and feelings would be that simple then Kirino and Kyousuke wouldn't have such a problem.
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Old 2013-05-20, 04:16   Link #1871
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I kinda get it after reading about Volume 11, Kirino and Manami made up. Kirino did not want to make up with her brother because she felt guilty through those years that she hated him and she cant forgive herself??? If anyone can help then I will be grateful
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Old 2013-05-20, 04:52   Link #1872
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Well --- yes, that much is true. From Kyousuke's POV, he said that they can't make up, not because they they couldn't forgive each other. After hearing Kirino's reason, he concluded that he had long forgiven her, but rather because he can't forgive himself - and he assumed Kirino thinks the same too.
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Old 2013-05-20, 04:54   Link #1873
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Well --- yes, that much is true. From Kyousuke's POV, he said that they can't make up, not because they they couldn't forgive each other. After hearing Kirino's reason, he concluded that he had long forgiven her, but rather because he can't forgive himself - and he assumed Kirino thinks the same too.
And now Kirino is planning to go abroad so that he can forget about her and continue to hate her?!
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Old 2013-05-20, 05:33   Link #1874
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No. First, Kyousuke don't know that Kirino is about to go again yet. Second, he don't have any reason to hate her. How did you come to that conclusion anyway ~.~
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Old 2013-05-20, 05:39   Link #1875
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No. First, Kyousuke don't know that Kirino is about to go again yet. Second, he don't have any reason to hate her. How did you come to that conclusion anyway ~.~
I really dont know, and what you said is true tho, He still does not know that she will go again and I think it is just a one-sided hate from the start tho never thought that Kyousuke hated Kirino at all, well I am quite confused and all about Volume 11 and stuff so dont blame me!!! Making it clear will be good help.....
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Old 2013-05-22, 00:43   Link #1876
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Kirino definitely said "I'll do something even more amazing than eroges", not "something more erotic than eroges", right?
When I came around thinking about that sentence.. what is more amazing than eroges? Confessing to brother? Running away with brother? Sex scenes? Marrying? (Not sure, does marrying happen in eroges? It's not legally feasible either way) Those all happens in eroges.
How about.. removing her feelings? It's hard but.. It's the perfect solution, it doesn't happen in eroges and it will be an amazing feat for her, harder than doing what eroge does.

Then it came to what Ayase and Kuroneko were planning to force out of Kirino. Ayase and Kuroneko had multiple talks in Volume 10, about Kyousuke and Kirino. They said they agreed on multiple things but there is "one thing they can't settle". If one assume that the one thing they can't settle is which one of them will win Kyousuke, then it can be deduced that either Ayase convinced Kuroneko that incest is wrong, or Kuroneko convinced Ayase that incest is right. I tend to believe on the former. And it could be explained as Kuroneko realized her mistake and asked Ayase to step on her stomach as punishment.
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Old 2013-05-22, 03:50   Link #1877
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Kirino definitely said "I'll do something even more amazing than eroges", not "something more erotic than eroges", right?
When I came around thinking about that sentence.. what is more amazing than eroges? Confessing to brother? Running away with brother? Sex scenes? Marrying? (Not sure, does marrying happen in eroges? It's not legally feasible either way) Those all happens in eroges.
How about.. removing her feelings? It's hard but.. It's the perfect solution, it doesn't happen in eroges and it will be an amazing feat for her, harder than doing what eroge does.

Then it came to what Ayase and Kuroneko were planning to force out of Kirino. Ayase and Kuroneko had multiple talks in Volume 10, about Kyousuke and Kirino. They said they agreed on multiple things but there is "one thing they can't settle". If one assume that the one thing they can't settle is which one of them will win Kyousuke, then it can be deduced that either Ayase convinced Kuroneko that incest is wrong, or Kuroneko convinced Ayase that incest is right. I tend to believe on the former. And it could be explained as Kuroneko realized her mistake and asked Ayase to step on her stomach as punishment.

It's possible that this is going to happen.But I don't think it's going to be that way,because it's to easy.You have forgot one important aspect in your theory.It's funny how every girl is planning her own plan to get Kyousuke or to get Kirino out of the game (Kirino herself,too).But there is one thing that can "destroy" every plan and that is Kyousuke himself.In the end it is his call.For example if Kirino try to run away again,don't you think that Kyousuke is going to prevent her from leaving?Or even if she distance herself emotional from Kyousuke,do you think he will let this happen?The same thing apply for the other girls.It's fine that Manami promised to Kanako that she will prevent Kirino and Kyousuke to get together or that Ayase and Kuroneko are both convinced that incest is wrong and that both of them must stop this before it goes any further.It's all fine,but to hell with that.Everyone talks about which plan is going to work,but Kyousuke is the key character.If something doesn't please him,he will do something about it.That's the kind of character he was and has now returned to.Surprisingly it is Kyousuke's mind we don't understand.We know what the girl's are thinking,but what is Kyousuke going to do?We only know he's ready to confess.The only thing we can do is to wait for the end.^^
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Old 2013-05-22, 04:08   Link #1878
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It's possible that this is going to happen.But I don't think it's going to be that way,because it's to easy.You have forgot one important aspect in your theory.It's funny how every girl is planning her own plan to get Kyousuke or to get Kirino out of the game (Kirino herself,too).But there is one thing that can "destroy" every plan and that is Kyousuke himself.In the end it is his call.For example if Kirino try to run away again,don't you think that Kyousuke is going to prevent her from leaving?Or even if she distance herself emotional from Kyousuke,do you think he will let this happen?The same thing apply for the other girls.It's fine that Manami promised to Kanako that she will prevent Kirino and Kyousuke to get together or that Ayase and Kuroneko are both convinced that incest is wrong and that both of them must stop this before it goes any further.It's all fine,but to hell with that.Everyone talks about which plan is going to work,but Kyousuke is the key character.If something doesn't please him,he will do something about it.That's the kind of character he was and has now returned to.Surprisingly it is Kyousuke's mind we don't understand.We know what the girl's are thinking,but what is Kyousuke going to do?We only know he's ready to confess.The only thing we can do is to wait for the end.^^
I'll laugh if Kyousuke turns out to be very easy to understand - If he likes a girl he'll have perverted thoughts of her.
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Old 2013-05-22, 06:39   Link #1879
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Kirino definitely said "I'll do something even more amazing than eroges", not "something more erotic than eroges", right?
When I came around thinking about that sentence.. what is more amazing than eroges? Confessing to brother? Running away with brother? Sex scenes? Marrying? (Not sure, does marrying happen in eroges? It's not legally feasible either way) Those all happens in eroges.
How about.. removing her feelings? It's hard but.. It's the perfect solution, it doesn't happen in eroges and it will be an amazing feat for her, harder than doing what eroge does.

Then it came to what Ayase and Kuroneko were planning to force out of Kirino. Ayase and Kuroneko had multiple talks in Volume 10, about Kyousuke and Kirino. They said they agreed on multiple things but there is "one thing they can't settle". If one assume that the one thing they can't settle is which one of them will win Kyousuke, then it can be deduced that either Ayase convinced Kuroneko that incest is wrong, or Kuroneko convinced Ayase that incest is right. I tend to believe on the former. And it could be explained as Kuroneko realized her mistake and asked Ayase to step on her stomach as punishment.
While it's possible, I think it's unlikely to happen. At that time, both Kuroneko and Ayase is pushing Kirino's button, so she kind of lose it. It might be that she doesn't really think and just declare that way.
Also, confess doesn't immediately lead to happy ending or going out. If I remember correctly, in Setokai no Ichizon, all of the girls confess before the end of the novel. So Kirino might just admit her feeling before going (or not? It's not like she will 100% go )
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It's possible that this is going to happen.But I don't think it's going to be that way,because it's to easy.You have forgot one important aspect in your theory.It's funny how every girl is planning her own plan to get Kyousuke or to get Kirino out of the game (Kirino herself,too).But there is one thing that can "destroy" every plan and that is Kyousuke himself.In the end it is his call.For example if Kirino try to run away again,don't you think that Kyousuke is going to prevent her from leaving?Or even if she distance herself emotional from Kyousuke,do you think he will let this happen?The same thing apply for the other girls.It's fine that Manami promised to Kanako that she will prevent Kirino and Kyousuke to get together or that Ayase and Kuroneko are both convinced that incest is wrong and that both of them must stop this before it goes any further.It's all fine,but to hell with that.Everyone talks about which plan is going to work,but Kyousuke is the key character.If something doesn't please him,he will do something about it.That's the kind of character he was and has now returned to.Surprisingly it is Kyousuke's mind we don't understand.We know what the girl's are thinking,but what is Kyousuke going to do?We only know he's ready to confess.The only thing we can do is to wait for the end.^^
Well, Kyousuke is a big mystery now. True, he is half way revert back to his hot blooded self, but he still affected by Manami. And he trusts Manami. I don't know how will he do if Manami tells him to do something that contradict what he wants to.

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I'll laugh if Kyousuke turns out to be very easy to understand - If he likes a girl he'll have perverted thoughts of her.
Kyousuke is already have perverted thoughts about Kirino's ass thought
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Old 2013-05-22, 06:54   Link #1880
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While it's possible, I think it's unlikely to happen. At that time, both Kuroneko and Ayase is pushing Kirino's button, so she kind of lose it. It might be that she doesn't really think and just declare that way.
Also, confess doesn't immediately lead to happy ending or going out. If I remember correctly, in Setokai no Ichizon, all of the girls confess before the end of the novel. So Kirino might just admit her feeling before going (or not? It's not like she will 100% go )


Well, Kyousuke is a big mystery now. True, he is half way revert back to his hot blooded self, but he still affected by Manami. And he trusts Manami. I don't know how will he do if Manami tells him to do something that contradict what he wants to.



Kyousuke is already have perverted thoughts about Kirino's ass thought
True,but how long will Kyousuke take to realize how manipulative Manami can be? I don't think that Manami is going to get away with her deeds in the past or rather I wish she isn't going to get away with it.I think in the end he will return to his old self completely.At least then Manami hasn't to much "power" over Kyousuke.
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