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Old 2010-02-01, 19:27   Link #221
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She always wanted her to die as a human.
Don't you mean live and die as a human? You make it sound as if Teresa was out for blood.

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I don't know about someone holding her back... Deneve did comment her yoki always felt at it's maximum limit. So, I think the rest of the Fab 4 have been effected too. I doubt any new partially awakened ones will gain this ability right away... without yoki alignment/sole linking playing a role.

Wonder what they'll look like... and if MisterJB was right about Miria being a cheetah.
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Old 2010-02-01, 19:29   Link #222
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well I doubt there will be no consequences... and maybe this is just a one-time thing. Like Irvine said, someone stopping Clare.

I personally prefer Clare fighting without yoki though... Claymore get ugly when they start using yoki =((. I mean, even fully awakened beings look alot better, and they can be strong while hiding in cute little midget form like Riful too, R.I.P. It's really not fair...
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Old 2010-02-01, 19:34   Link #223
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well I doubt there will be no consequences... and maybe this is just a one-time thing. Like Irvine said, someone stopping Clare.

I personally prefer Clare fighting without yoki though... Claymore get ugly when they start using yoki =((. I mean, even fully awakened beings look alot better, and they can be strong while hiding in cute little midget form like Riful too, R.I.P. It's really not fair...
I see discovering this ability as the first step in them developing a controllable awakened form (no crazy limb only stuff, gee I wonder what Clare's form will be as stupid as it seems right now)... which they pop into and out of just by releasing their yokis fully. Suppose I should have been more clear. After all Rubel did have a reason for wanting them killed... maybe he knew the outcome all along.
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Old 2010-02-01, 19:38   Link #224
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Does that mean Clare can go to awakened limb form at will, with no consequences?

She's taken the next step in her awakening and it's taken us a day to figure it out?
....Oh no, next thing you know, she'll be able to fully awaken and go back with consequence.

The story that road is more and more horrendous and cliched then anything imaginable. Have mercy Ryus
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Old 2010-02-01, 19:44   Link #225
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....Oh no, next thing you know, she'll be able to fully awaken and go back with consequence.

The story that road is more and more horrendous and cliched then anything imaginable. Have mercy Ryus
Sorry, my mind is going so crazy with ideas right now, that I can't think straight. That line is major!
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Old 2010-02-01, 19:45   Link #226
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I have a bad feeling......Deneve and Helen are too close to those 2 monsters......i fear that it will be their deaths to trigger Claire's full-awakening.
This is one of those times when i REALLY hope to be wrong.
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Old 2010-02-01, 19:54   Link #227
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what happened to helen's arm? did clare regenerate her shoulder and stomach?

and what is galk doing?
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raki makes an appearance in this chapter too:
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Is Clare's body still made of human flesh? Because in this chapter, after she loses her shoulder and a part of her stomach, it looks rocky like AB flesh

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Old 2010-02-01, 20:07   Link #228
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what happened to helen's arm? did clare regenerate her shoulder and stomach?

and what is galk doing?
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As Deneve show us going over her limits increases regenerative abilities. In other words partial awakening helped Clare to regenerate.
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Old 2010-02-01, 21:19   Link #229
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Hmm...I don't know if you realize it, but this chapter gave answers to many important questions. Now lets look at things character by character.

Clare: Now for a long time we were left to ponder which is more important to her - Raki or Priscilla, which can be seen as love vs hate. In chapter 100 she finally choses...and the choice is not the one the fans expected. Clare is a good hearted, kind girl, but she has suffered a lot, she became a monster, she trained for years, she suffered extreme humiliation (number 47), she went even as far as exile ( 7 years in a cave) for this moment only. I believe that we were a little naive to think this will end with a handshake. When it comes down to it, she is out for blood and it was nice of the author to remind us this.

About Teresa...ugh...The problem with Teresa is that she isn't a developed character. She was the strongest warrior, who decided to live a simple life. There is nothing else to her, nothing, zitch...an awesome character, no doubt, but this was it. She was present in no more than a few chapters, most of which showed how awesome she was. Everything around her has been reused so many times (in one form or another) that putting her again in the spotlight is outright offensive to the storyline. Teresa is gone, let her rest in piece.

And now we reach Priscilla. Now I didn't saw anyone mention this, but she is a giant plothole. Now before I get lynched for suggesting that Yagi may make mistakes let me explain.

1. She meets a boy with a familiar scent.
2. She decides to live with the boy, defending him from all harm that may come to him.
3. In the end she spend years travelling with this boy fallowing his fading scent in hope to find who she is.
4. She finally smells that specific scent that led her to protect a small and defenseless boy for years AND GOES BERSERK KILLING ALL WHO STAND IN HER WAY, ANNIHILATION, SLAUGHTER, SHE MOCKS THE PATHETIC BODY THAT GIVES THAT SCENT!!!!1!!!1!!1!1!!!!
Can someone explain this to me, seriously?

Not only this but, she seems to have some grand-master plan, something that came completely out of the blue, considering the fact that she was barely conscious up to this point, with no indication (in fact the reverse was strongly implied) that she could do something like that.

Now about the ending of the battle. Judging by Clare's facial expression at the end of the chapter, there are two possible scenarios.

A) Priscilla ripped her limbs, with her FTL speed.
B) Some memory of Raphaela has awaken.

And we reach Raki...now those who know me, know that I am a big fan of his. Now firstly everyone expected him to be there for this battle. Everyone was betting that he will be there and he will have the final word...that didn't happened. Raki is...for all intense and purposes...out of the board for now.

Therefore this is a great example to look at where he is at the moment. Now to begin with, Raki is a peculiar character in the manga world, he juggles between minor and major character like no other. And probably he is the unluckiest character in Claymore. So let's take a look at him for now.

1. His family was killed by yoma.
2. He was kicked out of his village.
3. He lived a life filled with horror, facing monsters (yoma, Awaken, Ophelia) in front of which most people will kill themselves, not to mention freeze in terror.
4. He lost the person most important to him (Clare).
5. He lived amongst his enemies, breeding humanity in some and showing that HE can trust them.
6. One of his friends ( Isley ) dies.
7. His old village is slaughtered in front of his eyes.
8. His only friend and companion leaves him.

As far as luck goes, living just to experience more suffering is something most people will not prefer. But here comes the most interesting part about him. For all of the suffering he enduring, he always came back on his feet, not full of rage or hate, not hungry for blood, but with a bright smile and a "everything will turn out for the better." attitude. This powerless man, which was constantly dragged into the battle of demigods always came back on his two feet and kept walking.

Why am I talking about Raki now? Because as I said this was the moment everyone expected him to live for (this chapter), we believe that he is made for this scene only and we were wrong. Therefore we must reassess him.
Now some say that Raki is a symbol of humanity, I do not believe it. The battle between monster and man has always been depicted as an internal struggle in claymores, Raki is something else, Raki is hope.

Now Raki will be changed forever, whatever the Org. does, he will be human no more, but I sincerely hope that his personality does not change.

Now I talked about the protagonist, the antagonist and the character-that-should-have-been-there and my take on the last moments of the battle, so let me address something that I said the last time - time skip.

Now this is not based on fact or something said in the manga, and is pure speculation, but...
Raki is probably the thing the Organization has looked for and when they examine him they WILL leave, especially considering the damage caused by the Destroyer. The only support I have is that we know of Mainland. If we know that it is there, then we will have an arch about it (as we have a Raciella arc right now and anti-org. arc, which deviate from the original one), the question is how will we get there. And I believe that it will take some time for Clare to organize herself into going to the next continent, that is pretty much it.
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Old 2010-02-01, 21:59   Link #230
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I am not too confident about my own Japanese skills, but I think the translation of the last sentence is debatable.

あなた 覚醒なんててきないじゃない?

The Chinese scan translated this sentence to " You were not able to awake, were you?" Or something in that fashion. I am leaning toward this translation. But this also bring up the important question:"why?" Guess that will be explained in the next chapter.
Based on the last sentence from Prissy. I'm quite sure that Clare was forced to turn back by something/someone. Clare intended to go all out even if she had to awakened so it had no reason why she suppressed herself. This might be related with Raphaella. IMO
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Old 2010-02-01, 22:06   Link #231
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I'm willing to bet that whatever the Organization does to Raki; his personality will no longer be like it was. I think Claire is making a mistake by priorizitizing killing priscilla now, instead of finding Raki first. When she does realize he is the one most important to her, it'll already be to late and the Raki she knew will no longer exist and will be a brainwashed warrior of the Organization.
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Old 2010-02-01, 22:11   Link #232
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I'm willing to bet that whatever the Organization does to Raki; his personality will no longer be like it was. I think Claire is making a mistake by priorizitizing killing priscilla now, instead of finding Raki first. When she does realize he is the one most important to her, it'll already be to late and the Raki she knew will no longer exist and will be a brainwashed warrior of the Organization.
I could also see the opposite happening, Claire and Co. finally arrive at the Org HQ just in time to see it blow up (not literally). I mean if rods can be shot out of just part of Hellcat Beth's head, I fail to see how or why Raki's infected arm could not do the same while on an operating table. Raki wakes up to the chaos while still strapped to an operating table.

Besides, he is after all heading towards a hot-spot for potential hosts with yoki.
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Old 2010-02-01, 22:18   Link #233
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Is there a translation up?! So did Pricilla still in her hunger feast.. She seems to be talking alot to Clare.
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Old 2010-02-01, 22:27   Link #234
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Try not to think about it too hard Traun, this chapter is confusion from beginning to end

The only thing that's really said point clearly is, unfortunately, that Claire has indeed chosen her revenge over Priscilla above Raki, even going as far as to say that she only intended to say goodbye after meeting him.

That's just cold

Concerning Priscilla, I know it's crazy, but Ryus' theory that Priscilla's attraction to Claire is due to her being half-awakened and nothing to do with anything else, is actually well and the least confusing.
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Old 2010-02-01, 22:30   Link #235
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Clare: Now for a long time we were left to ponder which is more important to her - Raki or Priscilla, which can be seen as love vs hate. In chapter 100 she finally choses...and the choice is not the one the fans expected. Clare is a good hearted, kind girl, but she has suffered a lot, she became a monster, she trained for years, she suffered extreme humiliation (number 47), she went even as far as exile ( 7 years in a cave) for this moment only. I believe that we were a little naive to think this will end with a handshake. When it comes down to it, she is out for blood and it was nice of the author to remind us this.

A) Priscilla ripped her limbs, with her FTL speed.
B) Some memory of Raphaela has awaken.
i was really happy actually when clare said all she wanted to do was say farewell to raki once she found out he was safe, but decided to let loose now that she found priscilla...things have been so crazy with this manga lately, it was nice to see the some of the older plot line (clare's revenge) surface

clare's limbs looked like they were still attached after priscillas attack...granted she was dealt with what looked like a fatal blow

but as far as rafaela goes...(i don't have the manga scans on the comp i'm on right now) but i swear i thought i saw a shot of the destroyer with what looked like an 'aura' around it...the same way clare looked when she was releasing her yoki...that makes me think what happened did have something to do with rafaela...but then again, i could be just imagining things
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Old 2010-02-01, 22:33   Link #236
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I could also see the opposite happening, Claire and Co. finally arrive at the Org HQ just in time to see it blow up (not literally). I mean if rods can be shot out of just part of Hellcat Beth's head, I fail to see how or why Raki's infected arm could not do the same while on an operating table. Raki wakes up to the chaos while still strapped to an operating table.

Besides, he is after all heading towards a hot-spot for potential hosts with yoki.
Wow you know...this never occurred to me. What a nightmare scenario, imagine hundreds of Claymore infected by the parasites, all because Raki brought it to them like a carrier for the plague. Not to mention the other experiments like the Abyss Feeders and god knows what else they are working on...
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Talking about Raki, I like it when Clare made it very clear that she lived to kill Prissy. It's not that I hate Raki. It's just that I like a character who could decide and knew what he/she really wanted to do. I hope she doesn't feel any regret later.

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It's a bit different then that though; because even if Claire fully-awakens, and by some miracle actually wins, it's not like it'll be without consequence.

She'll be a rampaging monster without control and replace Priscilla as the newest godlike power on the island.

If she fully awakens, kills her and manages to revert back though....I think I may stop reading .
Don't worry. If that really happens then it also means the manga is end. So we can't read anymore of it even if we want to.
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Wow you know...this never occurred to me. What a nightmare scenario, imagine hundreds of Claymore infected by the parasites, all because Raki brought it to them like a carrier for the plague. Not to mention the other experiments like the Abyss Feeders and god knows what else they are working on...
I kind hope it happens though. I know some may not find that as fun, but leading back to the Organization being destroyed by one of its own creations seems to tie together nicely. But, heh I rarely get anything right on this manga.

I would love to see some Abyss Feeders vs Hellcats. That fight alone would be amusing.
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Old 2010-02-01, 23:05   Link #239
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Talking about Raki, I like it when Clare made it very clear that she lived to kill Prissy. It's not that I hate Raki. It's just that I like a character who could decide and knew what he/she really wanted to do. I hope she doesn't feel any regret later.



Don't worry. If that really happens then it also means the manga is end. So we can't read anymore of it even if we want to.
I think the manga has transcended the Clare vs Pris plotline, not this is nothing more than a sub-plot compared to evil Org. and The Destroyer.
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Wow you know...this never occurred to me. What a nightmare scenario, imagine hundreds of Claymore infected by the parasites, all because Raki brought it to them like a carrier for the plague. Not to mention the other experiments like the Abyss Feeders and god knows what else they are working on...
I guess it's poetic in the sense that the Organization are being destroyed by their own creations, just like Rubel wanted...

It's too dark though, even for me.
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