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Old 2013-05-20, 16:58   Link #761
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Actually the real big question is did Rheagar know it at the time?


There's actually no cited evidence that Rhaegar actually kidnapped Lyanna. It just seemed to be something that everyone assumed after the Mad King went and burned the top two men of House Stark to death when they showed up to complain about it.


Lyanna willing going off with the married crown prince when she was already engaged to Robert would have caused allot of political shit. But it likely wouldn't have resulted in open warfare.
I would imagine so. IIRC Rhaegar did come to King's landing to say good bye to Jamie before marching off to Trident. I imagine he would be told about the situation. However, at that point, things are too late for any changes.
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Old 2013-05-20, 17:28   Link #762
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There are so many different storylines now that there's frustratingly little progress overall. Littlefinger still hasn't reached the vale. Brienne & Jaime still haven't reached kings landing. Dany still hasn't reached westeros. The whitewalkers still haven't attacked. Robb hasn't progressed. etc. All the Theon torture and marriage politics stuff is taking up precious time that could be used elsewhere.
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Old 2013-05-20, 17:34   Link #763
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If you only care about the destination and not the journey, sure. But if I wanted that, I'd just watch the first and last episodes and call it a day.
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Old 2013-05-20, 17:45   Link #764
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There are so many different storylines now that there's frustratingly little progress overall. Littlefinger still hasn't reached the vale. Brienne & Jaime still haven't reached kings landing. Dany still hasn't reached westeros. The whitewalkers still haven't attacked. Robb hasn't progressed. etc. All the Theon torture and marriage politics stuff is taking up precious time that could be used elsewhere.
To be fair, the third season and the first half of the third book could easily be called Three Weddings and a lot of Funerals, and you wouldn't be far off from the mark. This is the current story. White Walkers and all that fun stuff are peripheral to the largest portion of the story: the politics of an endlessly hypocritical undivided sovereignty society.
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Old 2013-05-20, 18:11   Link #765
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To be fair, the third season and the first half of the third book could easily be called Three Weddings and a lot of Funerals, and you wouldn't be far off from the mark. This is the current story. White Walkers and all that fun stuff are peripheral to the largest portion of the story: the politics of an endlessly hypocritical undivided sovereignty society.
The whitewalkers and Dany's return are carrot at the end of a string in front of the horse. The audience being the horse. I haven't read the books yet but I am hoping for a cataclysmic "shit hitting the fan" season at the end. I mean, zombies and dragons are just too cool not to put together!
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Old 2013-05-20, 18:26   Link #766
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I mean, zombies and dragons are just too cool not to put together!
And the Mother of Dragons vs a zombie dragon! MAKE IT HAPPEN!
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Old 2013-05-20, 18:51   Link #767
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The question is did Lyanna ever knew Daddy and brother were being cooked?
I'm not sure how widespread the news of what exactly happened to Brandon and Rickard Stark when they answered the Mad Kings summons to Kings Landing was. I'm sure if the general nobility knew that Brandon was tied with a noose around his neck with a sword just within reach as his father was boiled alive simply because the King was paranoid that would have caused some problems even amongst the most loyal of his followers. So it was probably kept quiet.

As for what and how much Lyanna knew it is hard to say. I'm sure she eventually found out, but if that was before or after she had thrown her lot in with Rheagar (who was up to some things more important than war or politics) there really isn't enough info to say.
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Old 2013-05-20, 20:43   Link #768
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He killed a what???


The wedding was sad, Sansa should be thankful that her husband is kinder than others (he could just have f***ed her right there...)
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Old 2013-05-20, 20:56   Link #769
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I'm not sure how widespread the news of what exactly happened to Brandon and Rickard Stark when they answered the Mad Kings summons to Kings Landing was. I'm sure if the general nobility knew that Brandon was tied with a noose around his neck with a sword just within reach as his father was boiled alive simply because the King was paranoid that would have caused some problems even amongst the most loyal of his followers. So it was probably kept quiet.

As for what and how much Lyanna knew it is hard to say. I'm sure she eventually found out, but if that was before or after she had thrown her lot in with Rheagar (who was up to some things more important than war or politics) there really isn't enough info to say.

I disagree. If you read Chinese/British/Roman/Japanese etc history, there are thousands of examples of Monarchs and Rulers who were to get away with murder mass-scale, and yet good men watched while evil men encouraged.

Given some of the things Aerys did, I wouldn't be surprised no one bat an eye in fear to become the next wild fire fuel.
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Old 2013-05-20, 22:36   Link #770
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I disagree. If you read Chinese/British/Roman/Japanese etc history, there are thousands of examples of Monarchs and Rulers who were to get away with murder mass-scale, and yet good men watched while evil men encouraged.

Given some of the things Aerys did, I wouldn't be surprised no one bat an eye in fear to become the next wild fire fuel.
Ya but the Starks are one of the 7 great houses. You can't start killing off the heads of those houses in a brutal fashion without any logical reason or proof of a conspiracy without the others starting to get worried for their own sakes. All it takes is one or two houses to split off and make a few moves before you have a serious problem on your hands. That is unless you have a hulking lizard that can breath fire and fly, then you are Aegon the First and you can have the luxury of your own personal brand of diplomacy. The Mad King had no real power to back up his wanton brutality unlike some of the other "bad" Targaryen kings.

The Seven houses didn't bend the knee easily when Aegon came over and the Starks were last of all. Only when all the other armies and houses had been conquered and confronted face to face with his dragons did the Stark King finally kneel. My point is that the Targaryens always knew that the North/Starks suffered rule under another only by force so they should not have pissed them off so bad. If you are gonna rule over the Starks you gotta prove you can rule better then them. They come from a long line of Kings in their own right so they aren't going to kneel to just anyone.
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Old 2013-05-20, 23:02   Link #771
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Ya but the Starks are one of the 7 great houses. You can't start killing off the heads of those houses in a brutal fashion without any logical reason or proof of a conspiracy without the others starting to get worried for their own sakes. All it takes is one or two houses to split off and make a few moves before you have a serious problem on your hands. That is unless you have a hulking lizard that can breath fire and fly, then you are Aegon the First and you can have the luxury of your own personal brand of diplomacy. The Mad King had no real power to back up his wanton brutality unlike some of the other "bad" Targaryen kings.

The Seven houses didn't bend the knee easily when Aegon came over and the Starks were last of all. Only when all the other armies and houses had been conquered and confronted face to face with his dragons did the Stark King finally kneel. My point is that the Targaryens always knew that the North/Starks suffered rule under another only by force so they should not have pissed them off so bad. If you are gonna rule over the Starks you gotta prove you can rule better then them. They come from a long line of Kings in their own right so they aren't going to kneel to just anyone.
Maybe, but look at all those good guys like the White Bull who dragged Jamie over and said "You are suppose to protect the King, not judge him" The entire Kinguard, full of honorable men, would do absolutely nothing and watch Aerys burn the city.

Good guys who decide to do the right deed? Oh, they get to be called KINGSLAYER.

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Old 2013-05-20, 23:45   Link #772
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Is it just me, or is Mislande a...very physical person...I guess that's how to put it in a "good" way lolz?

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Old 2013-05-21, 06:22   Link #773
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quite good episode overall

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Is it just me, or is Mislande a...very physical person...I guess that's how to put it in a "good" way lolz?

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Old 2013-05-21, 07:58   Link #774
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Did you not see where she put the third leech? She had to get blood pumping down there somehow.
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Old 2013-05-21, 08:18   Link #775
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Did you not see where she put the third leech? She had to get blood pumping down there somehow.
I wonder which curse (or prophecy?) that leech was attached to....

The Dragonstone scenes have been interesting as of late, but they still feel like the story is puttering along. It's nice to see some solid advancement, even if comes from a leech suckling on the foreskin of a bastard.
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Old 2013-05-21, 09:26   Link #776
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I wonder which curse (or prophecy?) that leech was attached to....

The Dragonstone scenes have been interesting as of late, but they still feel like the story is puttering along. It's nice to see some solid advancement, even if comes from a leech suckling on the foreskin of a bastard.
Logically, it should be Joffery, but I think it should had been

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Old 2013-05-25, 10:58   Link #777
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Here's the Japanese dub of Game of Thrones.
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Old 2013-05-25, 14:14   Link #778
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I think the real question is... will it be censored in Japan? Considering all the HBO sex scenes.
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Old 2013-05-25, 17:46   Link #779
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That is interesting, the Chinese translation is "Ice and fire's song" but the Japanese one is "war of the 7 nations"
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Old 2013-05-25, 20:12   Link #780
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I wonder if we are going to get MAD videos, doujins and other fan stuff afterwards? I don't know how western shows like this are received in Japan.
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