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Old 2011-03-17, 12:47   Link #421
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Uriel on the other hand is confusin1g- the [Flame of God], but it's Element is Wind.
As far as I remember, Uriel means "God is my light" so I assume it has something to do with the knowledge.
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Old 2011-03-17, 21:54   Link #422
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The proper meaning in theology on angelic names are these:

Michael- Who is as God
Gabriel- God is my strength
Raphael - God has healed
Uriel- Fire of God

Since chaos mentioned Grigori, here are the two I know:

Azazel- God strengthens
Shamsiel- Light of Day or Mighty sun of God
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Old 2011-03-17, 22:14   Link #423
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Still wonder why the author linked those 4 with the elements in the novels, I mean, just look at Vento there is no relation with Uriel .

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I see in accord to some sites I tried, Uriel protects people from people who are wicked, angry, nervous.
This is well related to her Divine Punishment.
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Old 2011-03-17, 22:26   Link #424
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The 4 arch angel's element come from a different teaching of occult practices, rather than Christian based teachings.

But the author at least got their assigned elements right.
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Old 2011-03-17, 22:28   Link #425
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There is other 3 archangels:
Barachiel (the blessings of God) and Jegudiel (laudation of God") and Selaphiel (Prayer of God).
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Old 2011-03-17, 23:18   Link #426
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My personal favorite- Samael, the venom of God. An Archangel of Death.

Anybody who watched Macademi Wasshoi would know why.He defeated both gabriel and agareplient (sp?) at once.

i believe theres a whole list somewhere with all the meanings of the names ending with 'el'
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Old 2011-03-17, 23:36   Link #427
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There is other 3 archangels:
Barachiel (the blessings of God) and Jegudiel (laudation of God") and Selaphiel (Prayer of God).

Those three originated from Gnostic's system. In that listing of 7 archangels, Uriel can be replaced by Phanuel. But this interpretation only works within Gnostic boundary, it does not apply when this ranking was passed to the Orthodox.
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Old 2011-03-18, 07:35   Link #428
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Still wonder why the author linked those 4 with the elements in the novels, I mean, just look at Vento there is no relation with Uriel .

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I see in accord to some sites I tried, Uriel protects people from people who are wicked, angry, nervous.
This is well related to her Divine Punishment.
you're confusing Uriel with Raphael

Uriel is linked with the element of earth, and is the archangel originally aligned with Terra

Raphael is linked with wind and was originally aligned with Vento(before angel fall screwed up their alignments...)
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Old 2011-03-18, 09:34   Link #429
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Ahh here we go, the List of names referring to El

There's one particular Fallen Angel I wasn't able to find. In the Persona games there's an Angel named [Helel]. has anyone heard of it?
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Old 2011-03-24, 17:03   Link #430
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I have a question regarding the ability to exist in multiple places simultaneously, displayed at the end of Volume 22.

Am I correct in thinking that if the Imagine Breaker came into contact with one of the multiple existences other than the original, just that existence would disappear? Also, since contact would be lost, could that existence be restored immediately afterwards?
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Old 2011-03-24, 17:20   Link #431
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I have a question regarding the ability to exist in multiple places simultaneously, displayed at the end of Volume 22.

Am I correct in thinking that if the Imagine Breaker came into contact with one of the multiple existences other than the original, just that existence would disappear? Also, since contact would be lost, could that existence be restored immediately afterwards?
I don't think anyone can give a strange answer. This is the first omnipotence in the series.
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Old 2011-03-24, 19:31   Link #432
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I don't think anyone can give a strange answer. This is the first omnipotence in the series.
I would say its more of a omnipresence instead of omnipotence.
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Old 2011-03-25, 00:20   Link #433
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I know dark matter is real; it's specifically mentioned in Vol. 15 that Kakine's "Dark Matter" isn't that dark matter.
Since nobody has been able to capture and study a real Dark Matter particle, who's to say Kakine's Dark Matter isn't like the real thing
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Old 2011-03-25, 02:32   Link #434
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Say, what will be the potential level 5 abilities of Elemental Espers? We know Electromaster enough, thanks to Level 5 Misaka Mikoto, but we see that other elemental espers are of lower levels. For example, we have a level 4 Aero Hand, a level 3 Pyromaster, and a level 2 Aquamaster.

Aero Hand at Level 5, for example, may create a tornado the size of what we see in Twister. O_O Or invisible cutting swords, or he/she could slice through anything within his/her field with his/her bare hands.

Pyromaster Level 5 maybe could like, turn his surroundings into scorched earth and/or hell on earth. Anyone who so much as gets near him would be burned! Or perhaps he can have a mini-version of Fiamma's 40km long flaming sword.

And then, a Level 5 Aquamaster can send tsunamis more than 10 feet long, or something like that. Or he/she could make snowballs out of thin air, freeze anything around his/her AIM field, or create an ice sword a la Flame of Recca's Mikagami.

Then maybe, a Level 5 Geomaster (i.e., Earth Master) could create really large rocks or a really large hole on the ground, and then the ground will like crack when an esper is in a fit of anger, just like Mikoto discharges lethal voltage in a rage.
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Old 2011-03-25, 08:28   Link #435
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Since nobody has been able to capture and study a real Dark Matter particle, who's to say Kakine's Dark Matter isn't like the real thing
Errm...what....Kakine himself says his Dark Matter doesn't come from this universe.
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Say, what will be the potential level 5 abilities of Elemental Espers? We know Electromaster enough, thanks to Level 5 Misaka Mikoto, but we see that other elemental espers are of lower levels. For example, we have a level 4 Aero Hand, a level 3 Pyromaster, and a level 2 Aquamaster.

Aero Hand at Level 5, for example, may create a tornado the size of what we see in Twister. O_O Or invisible cutting swords, or he/she could slice through anything within his/her field with his/her bare hands.

Pyromaster Level 5 maybe could like, turn his surroundings into scorched earth and/or hell on earth. Anyone who so much as gets near him would be burned! Or perhaps he can have a mini-version of Fiamma's 40km long flaming sword.

And then, a Level 5 Aquamaster can send tsunamis more than 10 feet long, or something like that. Or he/she could make snowballs out of thin air, freeze anything around his/her AIM field, or create an ice sword a la Flame of Recca's Mikagami.

Then maybe, a Level 5 Geomaster (i.e., Earth Master) could create really large rocks or a really large hole on the ground, and then the ground will like crack when an esper is in a fit of anger, just like Mikoto discharges lethal voltage in a rage.
I like the idea for the aeromaster but for the aquamaster and geomaster. It's too weak. Most level 5 had secondary ability or by product from their own main ability. Set mikoto for example. Electricity and it's by product is electromagnetism.

A pyromaster can melt the earth and turn it into magma.
Aquamasters' tsunami is too low. I bet it can create at least 100 meter tsunami. If not. it can't be even compared to aqua who can create 100 meter water waves and water pillars.
Geomaster can probably control gravity as it's branch out. Plus earth/land control is pretty broad in element itself.
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Old 2011-03-25, 09:22   Link #437
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“Warning, Chapter 22 Verse 1. Named as ‘Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani’ (God, why have you forsaken me?)[1] -- 7 seconds left until complete activation.”

“Warning, Chapter 29 Verse 33. ‘The deep red stone of Pakus Chavura’[2] -- 7 seconds left until complete activation.”

“Warning, Chapter 35 Verse 18. ‘Rain of sulphur that burns the land’ -- 5 seconds left complete activation.”
I'm not a bible-ish-ly person, but can anyone tell me what's the context that the above verses come from?

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Errm...what....Kakine himself says his Dark Matter doesn't come from this universe.
So who's to say the same doesn't hold true for our Dark Matter? A mysterious particle, or particles, that science has not yet been able to detect and knows nothing about it except that light passes through it and it can affect gravity.

For all we know it has matter altering properties

For all we know real life 'Dark Matter' could be AIM

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I like the idea for the aeromaster but for the aquamaster and geomaster. It's too weak. Most level 5 had secondary ability or by product from their own main ability. Set mikoto for example. Electricity and it's by product is electromagnetism.
Going further down that line, Mikoto might be able to control particles from the Electromagnetic spectrum, effectively giving her Radiation powers.


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A pyromaster can melt the earth and turn it into magma.
Aquamasters' tsunami is too low. I bet it can create at least 100 meter tsunami. If not. it can't be even compared to aqua who can create 100 meter water waves and water pillars.
Geomaster can probably control gravity as it's branch out. Plus earth/land control is pretty broad in element itself.
Initially they might seem very limited but if you think about it. Sometimes vague is good.

Fire is basically hot glowing gases, so by extension a pyro user can affect various gases. Then the energy has to come from somewhere, so that would mean some level of control over heat energy, so with that technically freezing isn't beyond control.

That is for utility, in terms of raw power, look no further than your local natural Disaster.

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Old 2011-03-25, 10:15   Link #438
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Eli Eli Lama Sabachtani is what Christ reportedly said on the Cross. Don't know the second.

The third can be many things. Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind.
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The closest things I can relate with the third is the rain of fire and sulphur is the Prophet of Fire, Elijah and Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Old 2011-03-25, 18:47   Link #440
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Say, what will be the potential level 5 abilities of Elemental Espers? We know Electromaster enough, thanks to Level 5 Misaka Mikoto, but we see that other elemental espers are of lower levels. For example, we have a level 4 Aero Hand, a level 3 Pyromaster, and a level 2 Aquamaster.

Aero Hand at Level 5, for example, may create a tornado the size of what we see in Twister. O_O Or invisible cutting swords, or he/she could slice through anything within his/her field with his/her bare hands.

Pyromaster Level 5 maybe could like, turn his surroundings into scorched earth and/or hell on earth. Anyone who so much as gets near him would be burned! Or perhaps he can have a mini-version of Fiamma's 40km long flaming sword.

And then, a Level 5 Aquamaster can send tsunamis more than 10 feet long, or something like that. Or he/she could make snowballs out of thin air, freeze anything around his/her AIM field, or create an ice sword a la Flame of Recca's Mikagami.

Then maybe, a Level 5 Geomaster (i.e., Earth Master) could create really large rocks or a really large hole on the ground, and then the ground will like crack when an esper is in a fit of anger, just like Mikoto discharges lethal voltage in a rage.
esper powers(the ones developed by AC) follow -or at least pretend to follow- modern known physics, you know. Meaning elemental powers would refer to elements from the periodic table...

Mikoto's electricity for example comes from her control over the electromagnetic force. A pyrokinesis power could come in many different ways, though the "best" would probably be control over kinetic force/atomic/molecular vibrations

so it's hard to predict what a level 5 pyrokinetist(or an aquamaster, or whatever) could do, since his capabilities would depend on the way his power works...

saiai's power for example manipulates nitrogen in the air...
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