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Old 2011-09-07, 19:45   Link #721
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The real world Aleister Crowley believed in different ages where currently the age of horus is the
active where humans would start conquer their own reality and thus becoming gods themselves.

In the Toaruverse espers power is to replace reality with their own reality via the AIM field.
Yep.

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Aaron could have used Divine Mother's Mercy also instead of IB
*facepalm* Should I assume that the Virgin Mary lived before Exodus times?

Another interesting point about Divine Punishment:

185,000 Assyrian soldiers dead in one night!
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Old 2011-09-07, 20:41   Link #722
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So what you guys are saying is that espers draw power from the AIM field to alter reality.
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Old 2011-09-07, 20:56   Link #723
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So what you guys are saying is that espers draw power from the AIM field to alter reality.
Basically, from how I've understood it -- and correct me if I'm wrong canon scholars:

Simply, an esper first has a 'Personal Reality' which defines their power. Espers have values within them -- a overblown example is Accelerator's awakening against KIIIHAAARAAA-KUUUNNN.

The Personal Reality gives an esper his AIM field thus his power. The more developed an esper's Personal Reality is, the more potent his AIM field is. Literally, an esper substitutes certain realities with their own.

I'm guessing Level 6 is when an esper has such a developed and able Personal Reality that he/she can over-ride the Osiris Age reality, thus becoming the embodiment of the Horus Age God, thus can simply tell Yahweh to GTFO.
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Old 2011-09-08, 04:43   Link #724
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And what about spirit energy and life force?
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Old 2011-09-08, 08:24   Link #725
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Aaron could have used Divine Mother's Mercy also instead of IB
*facepalm* Should I assume that the Virgin Mary lived before Exodus times?
/joins in a mutual facepalm.
I kind of overlooked that >-<

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And what about spirit energy and life force?
A magician refines their life force into mana, and untill the LN states otherwise I will assume spirit force = mana.
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Old 2011-09-08, 09:24   Link #726
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I meant how those two things work with the AIM field and Personal Reality.
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Old 2011-09-08, 10:45   Link #727
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Simply put, sir, users of Ki Attacks (e.g. Kamehame Hadouken) are NOT Espers, BUT Mages, in the ToAruVerse, unless Word Of God states otherwise.

Let me reiterate:

Kamehame Hadouken is NOT an Esper ability. IT IS A MAGIC SPELL!

Only that Ki Attacks don't require magic circles or grimoires to cast! Why? It's simply because Ki Attack users channel their life energy to release spirit balls concentrated into a single point.
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Old 2011-09-08, 14:12   Link #728
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^ Okay, I get it. Life energy is not used or needed for an esper's Personal Reality and AIM field.
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Old 2011-09-09, 17:35   Link #729
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Sorry to double post, but I'd like to know, are life energy and spirit energy part of the soul?
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Old 2011-09-22, 18:02   Link #730
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Do you think a split personality would have any effect on Personal Reality?
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Old 2011-09-22, 18:09   Link #731
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Do you think a split personality would have any effect on Personal Reality?
That's a good question- Maybe, but I don't think it's anything drastic like Dual Powers.

It might affect how someone uses their powers, for example Kuroyoru and Saiai both uses Nitrogen but in different ways.

It might even be possible to be of a different level.
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Old 2011-09-22, 18:52   Link #732
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A Schizoid esper would be a fun thing to write about.
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Old 2011-09-22, 20:37   Link #733
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A Schizoid esper would be a fun thing to write about.
I did; in Original Sin I wrote how the Americans were experimenting on schizophrenic test subjects on the basis that Academy City's Esper work by substituting reality with their own, and so a person that is 'less grounded' by reality might be more responsive to their treatments.

Of course, as Tsuchimikado noted, even if you were successful, what could you possibly do with a schizophrenic esper?
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Old 2011-09-22, 20:40   Link #734
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I did; in Original Sin I wrote how the Americans were experimenting on schizophrenic test subjects on the basis that Academy City's Esper work by substituting reality with their own, and so a person that is 'less grounded' by reality might be more responsive to their treatments.

Of course, as Tsuchimikado noted, even if you were successful, what could you possibly do with a schizophrenic esper?
Well what I meant was an actual character, not the mention of the concept
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Old 2011-09-22, 20:45   Link #735
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Well what I meant was an actual character, not the mention of the concept
My experiment yielded one success, 'John Mirra'. He's modeled after Paxton Fettel from FEAR, but named after a 'character' from Max Payne.

He's not an Academy City Esper though.
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Old 2011-09-23, 23:00   Link #736
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Simply put, sir, users of Ki Attacks (e.g. Kamehame Hadouken) are NOT Espers, BUT Mages, in the ToAruVerse, unless Word Of God states otherwise.

Let me reiterate:

Kamehame Hadouken is NOT an Esper ability. IT IS A MAGIC SPELL!

Only that Ki Attacks don't require magic circles or grimoires to cast! Why? It's simply because Ki Attack users channel their life energy to release spirit balls concentrated into a single point.
Nope, a pure chi attack that involves formula involves no formula is not magic.
Life force and mana is also different.
Magic is defined as magic because it requires formulas and borrows otherworldly laws. And life force is considered natural by IB, it'll mot get cancelled. But once life force gets refined into mana, IB will cancel it.
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Old 2011-09-23, 23:03   Link #737
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Nope, a pure chi attack that involves formula involves no formula is not magic.
Life force and mana is also different.
Magic is defined as magic because it requires formulas and borrows otherworldly laws. And life force is considered natural by IB, it'll mot get cancelled. But once life force gets refined into mana, IB will cancel it.
If it glows without a biological, chemical, or heat source, it's going to get cancelled- regardless of fancy names and technicalities.
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Old 2011-09-23, 23:10   Link #738
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Nope, a pure chi attack that involves formula involves no formula is not magic.
Life force and mana is also different.
Magic is defined as magic because it requires formulas and borrows otherworldly laws. And life force is considered natural by IB, it'll mot get cancelled. But once life force gets refined into mana, IB will cancel it.
Well, I just got carried away by the moment because it's so hard to classify Ki Attacks in the ToAruVerse.

Some guy just wanted to ask where would Spirit Attacks / Kamehame Hadouken will fall under: Magic or Esper ability, and I answered it based on what I know.

So it's kind of clear that Spirit or Ki Attacks aren't Formulaic Magic, so where do they fall under actually?

MAGIC or ESPER ABILITY?

Because they aren't formulaic, but it isn't directly scientifically induced, either.

Please enlighten us.
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Old 2011-09-24, 06:40   Link #739
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One thing, such ability does not exist in To Aru verse so far, so there is no way to define it.
There is no example that can tell us whether unrefined, pure life energy can be used to perform any type of abilities or not,
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Old 2011-11-09, 09:09   Link #740
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Since there was speculation in the LN thread,

Spoiler for Crack theory about Imagine Breaker::

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