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Old 2013-04-20, 22:59   Link #1401
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If you launch a hundred nuke on Accel then he will just gather the energy all together and send it back to you and there is nothing that will save you on that pure level of energy.

the meteor shower that Misha used is a mixed of telesma magic and a kind of divine spell. Sweep is the spell to destroy the sinners in Sodom and Gomorrah. It completely annihilates the opponent.
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Old 2013-04-20, 23:09   Link #1402
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If Kakine had shot accelerator with a dark matter bullet before he had time to analyze it(as in the minute the fight began) would it have killed him?
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Old 2013-04-20, 23:29   Link #1403
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so he'll turn the nukes into a genki dama of plasma?
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Old 2013-04-20, 23:35   Link #1404
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so he'll turn the nukes into a genki dama of plasma?
Honestly? Don't know. But I doubt we'll ever see it.
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Old 2013-04-21, 00:26   Link #1405
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If Kakine had shot accelerator with a dark matter bullet before he had time to analyze it(as in the minute the fight began) would it have killed him?
Nope. it still won't kill him. Remember the fight in vol 15. Killer sun rays that melts concrete didn't manage to kill Accelerator or even the Sweep spell of Gabriel can't kill him.

The attacks will never outright reach him or even deal heavy damage to him physically because it will be filter at least by the firewall. The damage that Accelerator receive is brain damage. Its like your computer being fried or getting a blue screen of death or having lagging because of lots of programs running at the same time.

YOU CAN'T OUTRIGHT HURT ACCELERATOR BUT YOU CAN BARRAGE HIM WITH ATTACK THAT IS SO STRONG HIS BRAIN WILL BE HAVING PROBLEMS TO CALCULATE THE DAMAGE.

A 30 seconds rain of meteor sure will turn anything to dust but Accelerator take it head on and he only get dirty clothes but his staggering because his receiving feedback damage on his brains. It will be internal damage instead of external damage. Accelerator defense is just ridiculous. Yes he receive cuts and bruise thanks to the barrage but physically you can't see much damage that result from having a receiving end of meteor shower.
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Old 2013-04-21, 00:32   Link #1406
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Erm, somehow that doesn't seem right either... I'm going back to both Vol 15 and NT6 for awhile...
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Old 2013-04-21, 02:01   Link #1407
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In short, a completely scientific weapon is not going to do anything to him when he has knowledge and mastery of laws of physics. The holes in his defences is the product of his lack of knowledge of the magic side.
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Old 2013-04-21, 02:02   Link #1408
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In short, a completely scientific weapon is not going to do anything to him.
Not true- you just have to be creative and not go for the direct attack.
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Old 2013-04-21, 02:06   Link #1409
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Not true- you just have to be creative and not go for the direct attack.
Yeah, now that you mentioned it, amata did managed it.

Regardless, those holes are painfully small. And it won't work a second time since he will patch it.
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Old 2013-04-21, 02:08   Link #1410
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A lousy chaff grenade can do it.
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Old 2013-04-21, 02:10   Link #1411
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A lousy chaff grenade can do it.
It won't work that well now since he's aware of it and can blow them away immediately.
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Old 2013-04-21, 02:30   Link #1412
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Not necessarily. If the connection is severed then his doomed.

The sisters are spread worldwide so Accelerator's connection is worldwide but there are places where one can interfere connections.

The key on winning is

"Low Bat and no signal"

Those who use gadgets can probably understand what this means.
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Old 2013-04-21, 02:37   Link #1413
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Enclosed military isolation vault?
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Old 2013-04-21, 02:40   Link #1414
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The further away you go from accel, the wider the interference you have to conjure since electromagnetic waves have a wide range.

The only practical way to jam the signals is by doing it near him.
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Old 2013-04-21, 04:23   Link #1415
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But once he goes Angelerator, he doesn't need his choker to do his calculations. Only problem is, he has no control of how and when he goes into Angel Mode.
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Old 2013-04-21, 04:46   Link #1416
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But once he goes Angelerator, he doesn't need his choker to do his calculations. Only problem is, he has no control of how and when he goes into Angel Mode.
This yet. Yet he has no control. In the future, maybe he can learn to control this mode. As well as black wings.
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Old 2013-04-21, 05:08   Link #1417
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Who is stronger:
1) Beetle 5 or awakened Accelerator?
2) Beetle 5 or Accelerator with full health?
How magic does effect on Beetle 5? What magicians he is able to win?
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Old 2013-04-21, 08:06   Link #1418
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Beetle against normal magicians are definitely out of the question.

Saints rely too much on their physical powers and thus will eventually lose.

Birdway. Not sure since we haven't seen any of her major arcanas. But probably lose because her magic leans towards destructions which beetle will recover from.

Knight leader will probably lose since he too rely on physical attacks and is not able to identify dark matter as a weapon and therefore no "to zero"

Curtana will probably have a chance since it gives the wielder speed, durability and lots of destructive power. I guess it depends whether curtana have enough power to wipe dark matter in its entirely. Not sure.


Now for God's right hand seat.

Vento will lose since beetle does not have a human body. Divine punishment doesn't work here .

Terra will lose since he have insufficient destructive power. Imagining him slashing at dark matter with his flour.

Aqua will lose since he relies on brute force like the other Saints.

Fiamma... This is a tough one, but from what i understand of the holy right, he can only target one enemy at a time. I don't know if he considers the whole of kakine as a single entity. If yes, he will win. If not, he loses.


For gremlin,

Marian. Also not sure about this one. We are not sure about the extent of power of Dáinsleif, But without it, she loses.

Thor. From what we have seen so far he doesn't have enough power to wipe out dark matter. So its his loss.

Mjölnir. A lot of wide range destructive power. But from what we've seen so far, it's not enough.

I not sure about angels. Judjing from the strongest attack we've seen from them (sweep) however, I think beetle can recover from that.

Majin. Its a win for them since they can bend reality.
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Old 2013-04-21, 08:26   Link #1419
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Nope. it still won't kill him. Remember the fight in vol 15. Killer sun rays that melts concrete didn't manage to kill Accelerator or even the Sweep spell of Gabriel can't kill him.

The attacks will never outright reach him or even deal heavy damage to him physically because it will be filter at least by the firewall. The damage that Accelerator receive is brain damage. Its like your computer being fried or getting a blue screen of death or having lagging because of lots of programs running at the same time.

YOU CAN'T OUTRIGHT HURT ACCELERATOR BUT YOU CAN BARRAGE HIM WITH ATTACK THAT IS SO STRONG HIS BRAIN WILL BE HAVING PROBLEMS TO CALCULATE THE DAMAGE.

A 30 seconds rain of meteor sure will turn anything to dust but Accelerator take it head on and he only get dirty clothes but his staggering because his receiving feedback damage on his brains. It will be internal damage instead of external damage. Accelerator defense is just ridiculous. Yes he receive cuts and bruise thanks to the barrage but physically you can't see much damage that result from having a receiving end of meteor shower.
But he understood Sweep and could therefore still analyze and reflect it. The bullet before he analyzed it probably would have passed through his defense wouldn't it?
If so Kakine's kind of an idiot.
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Old 2013-04-21, 08:42   Link #1420
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But he understood Sweep and could therefore still analyze and reflect it. The bullet before he analyzed it probably would have passed through his defense wouldn't it?
If so Kakine's kind of an idiot.

...Or Accelerator could blow it away with his wind attack so that's pointless.


But I believe Dark Matter at that time was limited; he couldn't shape it however way he wanted- but was trying to stab him with the wings.

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Fiamma... This is a tough one, but from what i understand of the holy right, he can only target one enemy at a time. I don't know if he considers the whole of kakine as a single entity. If yes, he will win. If not, he loses.

Lol what? By itself the Holy Right would automatically adjust itself to deal out just the right amount power to 'defeat' it's target so power is not an issue.

Number is also not a issue- With one swing he can defeat all of his enemies.

The real issue with Kakine is that the bugger can spawn infinitely; that means unless you have something that can stop his regen or overwhelms it- Kakine would always win by attrition.
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