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Old 2010-04-03, 02:41   Link #201
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Man, I've barely seen the raw and you guys are already discussing the scan

I'm more surprised that Duff actually outlived Riful. Still, I'm sorry for her death, even more than Isley; it feels like a symbol of the show has died. she was after the first Abyssal to show up, and the most developped one as a character.

I can't believe people have such a hard time with Duff seemingly doing more damage to Priscilla than anyone else . All the damage Priscilla has received so far is slashing : localised damage. This is quite different from being hit by a fist the size of a car. Duff actually said it himself during the Witch's Maw arc : easier to reattach limbs than healing from being smashed to a pulp. Also, Priscilla did take some damage from being stomped by Isley, and she was in her Awakened form back then.

Dietrich demoted? WTF? Since when does a Claymore get demoted from her rank due to her mission record? Aside from Raphaela from wanted the #5 position, every Claymore has always been ranked according to her strength, either proven or assumed, regardless of any other factor (say, mental stbility for one ). The only times it happened was when stronger Claymores came up, hence being more deserving of the rank...

Anyway, Yagi's done cleaing house and only the Org remain as the evil mastermind ( the Destroyer does not count - no mind to begin with ).
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Old 2010-04-03, 04:44   Link #202
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I'm not assuming. It's not a matter of whom that piece of cloth belong to. It's just that AEs followed its scent. It's what I get from reading. Dietrich found AEs huddling around that piece of cloth which mean the only way for her to pick it was to go pass through AEs group and snatched it from them. That sounds strange because she was so afraid of them in past chapter. How can she dare to face them is what I'm talking about. That's why I think that she should have a way to handle them. She just came back from the org so the org might order/give her something.

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Because this wasn't the first time she saw them fighting each other.

Actually, what I am thinking now is that are those AEs the same batch, new batch or mix of both? For those who still wonder why AEs didn't go attack Riful's corpse. I want to remind you that there was another criteria for AEs to attack too. It's their number. If they have number lower than half (isn't it?) They will go back to the org. Furthermore, attacking Riful wasn't actually their main objective this time. Their main objective was to lead Alicia and Beth.

My best guess is this.
- Their number is lower than half so they decided to go back.
- They got assaulted by hell cats.
- They got parasite and absorb it which made them to malfunction and confuse.
- They lost sight of their target (attack Riful or go back to the org) and huddled that piece of cloth instead.
- Dietrich found them.

Talking about perspective. Here is a good example.



ZOMG! This snake is soooooo BIG.
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Old 2010-04-03, 04:55   Link #203
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Riful had a reasonable death. Her plans backfired and ultimately awakened two sleeping giants...at the same time... one of which decided to impale her while the other decided to eat her.

mehehe. beautiful line. I'll take the liberty to put that up in my sig. If you object lemme know


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In this chapter we find that Dietrich has been demoted to below single digit status for failing a mission. This begs the question: which mission did she fail? If she had anything to do with the ZACS and Isley, then it most certainly couldn't be a mission to off the once great abyssal. It probably wasn't the awakened being hunt she was on, since the Awakened was killed.
STOP! she did fail the awakend hunt, cause the org knew she had help ... and otherwise would have failed... I know I'm borderline fanboy here... but as of now I say it's to early to tell whether she reported back...hell we don't even know the timeframe yet ... for all we know she might just as well have been en route back to HQ when she stumbled over Renee or saw the MIBs with Raki ...and then headed back ...

If she did report back though, I admit then things do look a little bit too convenient ...

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Old 2010-04-03, 05:56   Link #204
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Mods were late in making a chapter 102 thread, so the ones with spoilers were all posts from the 101 thread moved to this thread (couple of posts dealt with this earlier)
No, not late. This is by far the fastest I have seen a Claymore chapter released and translated in a very long time. Typically we wait at least a few days, sometimes weeks, before scans or translations show up. Especially with April Fools, it was unthinkable that the first spoiler that showed up was actually truthful.

So while I do apologize that between the time I went to bed and the time I woke up a Chapter was released and translated, at least I went through the trouble to migrate posts to the new thread so people could continue with their discussions properly.

I get the excitement, really I do. But between the PM, the report, and the request for a new thread, all within the span of a few hours you can understand my exasperation at the impatience some here might have. I check this section every single time I visit the forums. I would hope by this point people would have some faith that I'd get the new thread up asap as soon as I saw a new Chapter was out.
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Old 2010-04-03, 06:09   Link #205
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No, not late. This is by far the fastest I have seen a Claymore chapter released and translated in a very long time. Typically we wait at least a few days, sometimes weeks, before scans or translations show up. Especially with April Fools, it was unthinkable that the first spoiler that showed up was actually truthful.

So while I do apologize that between the time I went to bed and the time I woke up a Chapter was released and translated, at least I went through the trouble to migrate posts to the new thread so people could continue with their discussions properly.

I get the excitement, really I do. But between the PM, the report, and the request for a new thread, all within the span of a few hours you can understand my exasperation at the impatience some here might have. I check this section every single time I visit the forums. I would hope by this point people would have some faith that I'd get the new thread up asap as soon as I saw a new Chapter was out.
Sorry I wasn't meaning to sound accusing or anything was just pointing out why there are posts with spoiler warnings for first few pages. No harm meant
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No worries. It's more of a general grumbling than directed at anyone in particular. ^^
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Old 2010-04-03, 09:43   Link #207
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Roflmao, I gave you reputation Zato, that snake example was hilarious

As for the AE's, aside from the Dietrich Cloth mystery and the equal-power questioning, it is curious too. If this really is part of the same batch, the batch is at least 20 AE's.

How could Dietrich have gotten herself a fresh squad of Eaters? She doesn't seem to be out on assignment, and considering I doubt she could have assembled a group secretly and brought them....the AE's seem most likely to me, to be stragglers from the group that attacked Riful.

Remember, the AE's that attacked Riful focused on her scent - which means they HAVE to be part of the same force. Otherwise they wouldn't follow her scent, or any at all.

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Old 2010-04-03, 10:05   Link #208
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There is so much yoki coming from the destroyer and dauff also has those rods put into him who probably have raciella's sig. Therefore he should be hard to detect.
Clare said that if she could sense priscilla's yoki it must be strong.
All right, then how come Duff found Priscilla? He's not youki detection specialist and until Priscilla was standing next to Helen and Deneve they didn't know she existed. Also Priscilla was able to locate Clare who should have youki signature weaker than abyssals or even Duff. Not to mention that Duff isn't exactly a ninja, rather a Tank type so even if she didn't sense him or see him I'm sure she would hear him (and smell his as*).

As for Dietrich, I wonder how come she could assess their and hellcats' strength? It's not like she could sense ZACS.

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Old 2010-04-03, 10:28   Link #209
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1 day and 11 pages - good job guys
I'm late to the party as always.

So about this chapter......where do I start...it's full of things that make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Seriously Dauf even hitting Prissy? Really? It's one thing when she was getting hit before since at that time she actually didn't even bother to block the attacks but here she was. Alicia and Beth joined forces and attacked her at the same time - two No1 AO level awakened Claymores one of which was impaled by a giant rod - couldn't do absolutely nothing to her and she didn't even consider them as someone who could actually do anything to her - A powered up awakened AO and she didn't give it more credit than a fly.

And here comes the mighty No3 that does what two AOs couldn't with one arm? Come on, really? He can't have some hidden potential that gave him a power boost since he was already awakened and the rods can't really fill that icredibly huge gap in power between a No3 and No1(Beth & Alicia). Next thing you know Clarice will get hit by a rod and wipe the floor with everyone

Really Prissy had to awaken to actually damage him? We've never seen her attack in her awakened form before ( I mean when she knows what she's actually doing) Not that it makes that much of a difference since it really doesn't look like Dauf can do much to her but it's still really strange why he seems stronger than Beth.

Oh and just a quick point - Alicia in her awakened form didn't get hit by all those rods since she was really fast and could avoid them and we have Dauf who didn't even know what was going on. Prissy could keep up with Alicia's speed without a problem but gets surprised by Dauf's? And she can't catch up to Helen and Deneve who were fighting with Hellcats (which should be hard to kill) for a "whole day" and are carrying Clare thus the aren't moving as fast as they actually could which suggests that noramlly they should rival Prissy's speed? Wiered...

The next wiered thig is Prissy actuall chasing Helen and Deneve. I mean really she's chasing them. She is so much faster and yet she can't catch up to them? Why? Is she running on her hands or something? Sure it makes it more dramatic but she was almost teleporting a while back.

And finally we have those AF showing up with Dee. Why are they following her? Even if that piece of cloth is Riful's they should have either gone after Riful herself ( or the larger part of her that was left) or attacked Dee. I mean they are tracking their targets by smell so Riful's corpse should be the thing they are going after and not that piece of cloth. The only reason why the AF didn't attack Dee I can think of is if she appeared to be a human (being on the fun pills) provided they have some sort of failsafe to not attack humans. But I doubt it since she must be crazy to do that with all the things that can kill you in seconds all around her.
On the other hand more than half of the AFs were killed and the rest were probably retreating thus they had no reason to follow the scent in the first place. And as I said even if they were following it they sould have gone after Dauf not Dee. Probably these four(?) AFs were the only ones left and they sort of died and didn't do much. So now Dee and Uma will fight for a bit and probably Miria and the rest would come to their rescue in a bit.

Oh and one last thing - why is Riful dead? I mean really why? Yeah aside from the fact that more than half her body is gone Prissy did imaple her head as well but her body was able to split in her awakened form so that doesn't mean she actually died from that. We've seen ABs with more than half their bodies missing and they were still alive. If Prissy just left her like that without eating her and provided Riful had some yoki left she should have been able to survive...probably. Or maybe she actually was but Dauf crushed her when he was hitting Prissy
But seriously what do you guys think? Was it possible for Riful to be alive since she obviously wasn't eaten?

So many questions and wiered unexplainable things going on in one chapter. Hope you guys can help me make sense of all this because I have no idea why and how these things happened Well if I read a good translation I might get it
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Old 2010-04-03, 10:41   Link #210
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The same issues have been brought up and the best way I can answer them is

1. Helen and Deneve are running through swarms of hellcats, therefore priscilla also has to dodge through them all while taking barrages of Rods. Whereas in the past chapters she has been free of any obstacles in terms of movement. Before Dauf showed up she was catching up quickly, hence Deneve threw Claire to Helen.

2. Alicia was a higher number, that is true, but consider that Awakened Beings are unique with each body having its own weakness and strength. Alicia was fast and had those blades, but the price was that she was a piece of paper in terms of taking a hit. Furthermore, cutting priscilla does not seem that effective, she'll just regenerate. In comparison to Dauf, who is slower, but has a stronger frame and is covered in armor. His attacks are all blunt force trauma. I think someone(shiek?) stated previously that it was easier to heal a cut than squashed innards.

I'll reiterate what I stated before. Alicia is scissors, Dauf is rock, Riful is paper, and Priscilla is tank. Dauf is dead anyway, he just caught a cocky Priscilla by surprise. Even though Priscilla was pinned downed, she didn't seem that worried.

3. Assuming the translation is correct, Dauf infected himself with 3 rods. That may have given a slight boost alongside the fact he has lost any sense of self.

4. Priscilla ate Rifuls guts, that is death for even an AB.

5. The AFs situation is a little tricky, but the only way I can make sense out of it is that they are so dumb in terms of intelligence that they only react to their senses. Think of it in terms of a dog and a frisby. Dietrich teased them with the piece of Riful's dress and played fetch (by throwing it into the Hellcats). The hellcats attacked and so the AFs respond. They have to be riled up by some type of motion.

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Old 2010-04-03, 10:48   Link #211
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sigh....I am well aware of perspective...otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it in my post...

they are standing right next to each other for crying out loud.
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Old 2010-04-03, 10:50   Link #212
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Roflmao, all your complaints Joe were already said - trust me, everyone was just as confused as you are in the beginning .

But as Nixl said, the majority of them have been more or less rationalized. The only thing that really gets me in this chapter is why bring back Dauf at all when he's just going to get blown away next chapter...but I guess Yagi wanted an excuse for Priscilla to transform *shrug.

How Dauf was even alive enough to make a decision like getting himself infected is beyond me: She said she would basically kill him(because "leaving him to a torturous death" like ripping out his limbs, pulling out his guts...yeah, she was gonna kill him), but apparantely, that didn't happen.

As for Riful, Priscilla said she would bear through it, which made me think she would eat her entirely...I guess not.

As for Dauf getting stronger or not, it wouldn't surprise me...but then again, considering they are drawing strength from them, are they really?

We're all assuming they get stronger when they get infected, but is that really so? The Rods are a curse, and draw on the user for strength. When was it ever made clear that they give powers?

As for Priscilla having to transform to cut him, I don't believe that, but that's just me. Really, Dauf is just an excuse to get her to transform. As for Dauf sneaking up on her, Beth's attacks show that she doesn't have flawless reflexes, so she CAN be caught by surprise. But is Dauf so fast that he can sneak up on even her?......Apparently 0_o .

As for the Eaters and Dietrich....ugh, I don't even want to go there.
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Old 2010-04-03, 10:52   Link #213
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From what I remember, Priscilla left Dauf without any of his members; yet his awakened form suggests otherwise. Could it be that he actually regenerated himself...due to the power boost given by the 3 penetrating rods? If that's the case, then loosing his arm to priscilla is no problem to him
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We're all assuming they get stronger when they get infected, but is that really so? The Rods are a curse, and draw on the user for strength. When was it ever made clear that they give powers?
Well I think there are two possibly conclusions to take from it.

First, the infected, like the hellcats have no sense of self. Therefore, they'll attack recklessly no matter what. Part of what makes the AFs and Hellcats seem so strong is that swarm mentality.

Second, I would say it gives some type of boost, otherwise I doubt Dauf would be able to hold to together still. He was on the verge of death, and three rods essentially brought him up to speed (in addition to the madness).

Then again one could argue that if Dauf still had the power to awaken one last time why did need the parasite? Essentially to stab three rods into his chest he would have to have been already awakened. So what reason did Dauf need the parasite other than more power?

Damn, that could go back and forth, that right there is the main inconsistency for me, more so than the other complaints. The deciding factor will be Raki I assume.

edit: damn my spelling is so off today.
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From what I remember, Priscilla left Dauf without any of his members; yet his awakened form suggests otherwise. Could it be that he actually regenerated himself...due to the power boost given by the 3 penetrating rods? If that's the case, then loosing his arm to priscilla is no problem to him
Hmm....it really depends on how much damage she does to him. Like Beth, who regenerated, their is a breaking point.

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Really Nixl, I think it's both. The Rods regenerate the user, so they can suck more and more out of them. It's kind of like a cycle so the Rod can get stronger and stronger.

Their will be a point where the User however can't probably keep it up though, so eventually, they probably will be sucked dry for good.

The Rods are a curse, plain and simple: the temporary boost they grant isn't worth it at all.
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The Rods are a curse, plain and simple: the temporary boost they grant isn't worth it at all.
tell that to Clare.

If she ever catches wind of what the Rods can do...you can sure as hell bet she will get herself infected.
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tell that to Clare.

If she ever catches wind of what the Rods can do...you can she as hell bet she will get herself infected.
Roflmao, well, she's what you call a "special case"
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How exactly did Dauf managed to infect himself?
Those rods are huge so they should come directly from the Destroyer. So, what? He regenerated his limbs and ran around, trying to get hit by one and just happened to be three?

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If she had died fighting Alicia that would have been acceptable, but she died just standing there trying to survive, she was no threat to Priscilla.
Veronica and Flora: Killed without raising their swords. They were no thread to Rigardo.
Isley: Died just to inroduce the AFs.

Riful: Killed because of her own mistakes.

You see my point?
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How exactly did Dauf managed to infect himself?
Those rods are huge so they should come directly from the Destroyer. So, what? He regenerated his limbs and ran around, trying to get hit by one and just happened to be three?
I assume that he transformed and then stabbed three rods through his chest. How he had just enough energy to transform is beyond me(rage?). Then again that may be why he looks so deformed (sloppy/incomplete awakening?).Three rods kept him going.

or!

Or consider it one of those boss fights where a defeated character is modified by the Arc villain to be stronger. I can think a few like in Warcraft or Starcraft. Dauf gave himself to the destroyer and so to give him a little extra power three rods were injected into him. In any case I don't think him getting shot like in the first wave would work. I thought the translation said it was intentional, rather than by accident.


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Thanks Nixl, Shiek. I know most of the things were already mentioned by to tell you the truth is all the things are still wiered

I'm going to just go over the things I don't realy get.
1. Now it's true that there are Hellcats all over the place but that actually should only slow Helen and Deneve down rather than Prissy. Look at page 15 - she is basically just passing the Hellcats and cutting them to pieces as she moves so she doesn't actually lose any speed and unlike the ghosts in fornt of her she doesn't need to go around the hellcats or look for gaps between them. Add this to the fact Helen and Deneve were fighitng for a long period with really strong foes, they are carrying Clare and Prissy's super speed from a few chapters back and you can see why she should have caught up to them the second they started moving.

2. That's all very true but doesn't explain why Dauf caught up to Prissy and on top of that surprised her. Fact is before he wasn't even fast enough to notice all the rods and now he's so fast. I'm not really saying Dauf can do anything to Prissy in her awakened form but it really seems strange that a No3 can even touch Prissy provided she crushed two AOs with her hands and was basically playing cat and mouse with them. Otherwise she would have killed them in a second while in her human form.

And my point about the speed of Alicia was also to show how fast Prissy is. Both the chase and the fact that Dauf surprised her and was fast enough to actually catch up to them seems really wiered to me. If Shiek is indeed right and it's just a way to get Prissy to go in full AB form it's a really bad one IMO since all tha things happening are simply too unnatural.

4.I'm not too sure about the guts part though. I mean they can regenerate everything and I'm not even sure they use their guts for something. The eat guts but I doubt they eat them the same way we eat food. Her vital organs are there and unless ABs suddenly started dying from blood loss there's no reason why having no guts would kill you. Probably the fact that she got nailed in the head killed her but again her body was able to split and so she might have been able to avoid critical damage by using all her remaining yoki. Still she's dead but my point was that she also had a chance to be alive. But hey she's not...apperantly

5. I have no problem with the fact the AFs attacked the Hellcats since they also attacked Helen and Deneve when they first saw them. They react to movement and attack. This is all great but getting them to go there is actually what bothers me. See the "part of Riful's clothes" idea doesn't really make sense. Otherwise Isley would have been changing clothes and leving them behind instead of fighting AFs all the time. This means they aren't that stupid when it comes to following a scent and they wouldn't go after a small piece of cloth instead of a body.

@Shiek - she not only said it but did most of it He couldn't even stand up before Prissy came and ripped his ass off let alone imaple 3 rods himself. Another part that doesn't quite make sense.

I think the rods are only using the bodies of their hosts but they also add some power which shouldn't last long since the Hellcats have a limited supply of power. So they probably do add power but it shouldn't be that much since I'm not even sure the hellcats have yoki which they could actually add in the first place. By looking at Beth they didn't really seem like they added power but rather made her lose control, awaken and go berserk destoying everything around her. So you have a good point. The rods don't have to add power. And besides if they did wouldn't that mean that Prissy could absorb all the power from those little rods and become even more incredibly powerful?
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