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Old 2010-08-01, 19:40   Link #341
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Loved this ep.
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Old 2010-08-01, 19:48   Link #342
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They're both juvenile and rely on repetition. The difference lies in the timing and execution.

Where SYD spends a minute on a joke and starts the next one, Mitsudomoe builds theirs, often through misunderstandings, with little gags in between. It's like the writers concoct an outlandish outcome and work their way back to create the situation. In SYD it's a salvo of unrelated gags. Some hit their target, some miss. They're both visually effective in cuing you when to laugh, but SYD is more heavy on word plays, which are hit or miss, whereas Mitsudomoe has almost none. The latter's humor is more universal I suppose.

One of SYD's strong points is that it doesn't take itself seriously. You can more or less expect that from grade schoolers, but SYD is based on the existential high school setting. People are bound to compare it to other similar series. So it's refreshing to see it take shots at common tropes (ex. bread in mouth), with bits of deviance sprinkled in between, while being grounded by reality. It's funnier than K-On, that's for sure. It's like the volleyball scene in Azumanga Daioh. It's simple and repetitive, yet you can't help but laugh over and over.
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Old 2010-08-01, 20:29   Link #343
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I seriously couldn't stop laughing at this weeks episode, just fantastic.
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Old 2010-08-01, 21:01   Link #344
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Old 2010-08-02, 02:30   Link #345
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They're both juvenile and rely on repetition. The difference lies in the timing and execution.

Where SYD spends a minute on a joke and starts the next one, Mitsudomoe builds theirs, often through misunderstandings, with little gags in between. It's like the writers concoct an outlandish outcome and work their way back to create the situation. In SYD it's a salvo of unrelated gags. Some hit their target, some miss. They're both visually effective in cuing you when to laugh, but SYD is more heavy on word plays, which are hit or miss, whereas Mitsudomoe has almost none. The latter's humor is more universal I suppose.

One of SYD's strong points is that it doesn't take itself seriously. You can more or less expect that from grade schoolers, but SYD is based on the existential high school setting. People are bound to compare it to other similar series. So it's refreshing to see it take shots at common tropes (ex. bread in mouth), with bits of deviance sprinkled in between, while being grounded by reality. It's funnier than K-On, that's for sure. It's like the volleyball scene in Azumanga Daioh. It's simple and repetitive, yet you can't help but laugh over and over.
I actually do think Highschool kids can be obnoxious. The way they think they have a handle on their maturity/immaturity is just an open field for comedy. Which is why so many comedy anime feature highschool kids right alongside the elementary school setting.

I don't think K-On really aims for the outright laughs considering it's more about the slice of life cuteness.
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Old 2010-08-02, 11:43   Link #346
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ep 5
1) Tsuda's little sister is hilarious..... always the most outrageous interpretation (echoes of Azusa's feverish mind)

2) Ya gotta feel sorry for Shino, she's so earnest, totally awkward, and under-confident inside her shell.

3) Nice Agnes skewer ... the well-meaning witch burner needs to go sit in time out until she figures out what the *real* crisis is instead of the imaginary ones she crusades against.

Episode had intense 4-koma feel to it... kind of like a set of snapshots of what passes for daily life in Tsuda's world.

And yeah, I think CWW's post comparing the two humor styles of this series and Mitsudomoe are fair. It is interesting that posters tend to be split rather liking both series.

This snapshot from ep 4 is in the process of becoming my wallpaper .... just kind of sweet.

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Old 2010-08-02, 15:23   Link #347
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Tsuda's sister is just as pervy as Shino and Aria. Lol, giving her brother a porn magazine as a get well gift. I lol'd when she said "You're not into 2d?" like it was the only concievable reason that Tsuda would reject it. I liked Shino's visit though. It seems like the anime is trying to gradually develop their relationship over the other two. And of course, she brings hentai . Shino and Aria looked hot in those swimsuits. Overall it was a pretty funny episode.
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Old 2010-08-02, 15:59   Link #348
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Tsuda's sister is just as pervy as Shino and Aria. Lol, giving her brother a porn magazine as a get well gift. I lol'd when she said "You're not into 2d?" like it was the only concievable reason that Tsuda would reject it. I liked Shino's visit though. It seems like the anime is trying to gradually develop their relationship over the other two. And of course, she brings hentai . Shino and Aria looked hot in those swimsuits. Overall it was a pretty funny episode.
I doubt they are going to go too far with any romantic angle in this anime, it just isn't that type of show. But that's fine with me, keep the dirty jokes coming
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Old 2010-08-02, 18:10   Link #349
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I doubt they are going to go too far with any romantic angle in this anime, it just isn't that type of show. But that's fine with me, keep the dirty jokes coming
I'm not expecting anything too deep, but at the same time I wouldn't say that they're going to leave it undeveloped. I think they will in fact touch on that aspect a bit.
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Old 2010-08-02, 18:52   Link #350
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I'm not expecting anything too deep, but at the same time I wouldn't say that they're going to leave it undeveloped. I think they will in fact touch on that aspect a bit.
No there's none. In fact there's never really romance in Ujiie Tozen's works. The only time I can remember is in college girl tutor hamanaka ai, and it's barely touched ever in that one too.
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Old 2010-08-02, 18:57   Link #351
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The jokes in ep 5 seems a bit more direct than usual.

And is it me or Ayako inserted their own subs? Anyone heard Agnes being mentioned? I don't.
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Old 2010-08-02, 18:58   Link #352
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That "personal taste in humor" thing again, just can't get around it. I don't dislike this as I did after the first ep, and it does elicit at least a couple of good laughs per episode. But is it just me that finds the humor very one-note? It just seems like every joke is a variation of, well - the same joke. When I see the smart people who really enjoy it immensely it makes me want to analyze why I find it only mildly amusing - but I guess humor can only be analyzed so far. it only works for you as well as it works. I'm sure many of those same people would wonder why I find "Mitsudomoe" so consistently hilarious...
Because like CWW said in the previous post, Mitsudomoe's humor is much more standard and universal. Mitsudomoe builds itself on explosive reaction toward the jokes. Imagine if all jokes in Mitsudomoe is left hanging or responded mildly like in SYD, it'd be much duller. SYD's humor is in a way much drier than most comedy people are used to. In a way SYD's humor style is like that of King of the hill, or the office (the original british seires).
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Old 2010-08-02, 19:03   Link #353
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The jokes in ep 5 seems a bit more direct than usual.

And is it me or Ayako inserted their own subs? Anyone heard Agnes being mentioned? I don't.
Hmmm, I was watching it while working with the sound off. Will listen later tonight. It was a funny line and fit in well so I didn't suspect anything.
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Old 2010-08-02, 19:11   Link #354
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The jokes in ep 5 seems a bit more direct than usual.

And is it me or Ayako inserted their own subs? Anyone heard Agnes being mentioned? I don't.
No there's no reference of Agenes in the dialogue. But it gets the point across, which is what subtitle's job is.
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Old 2010-08-02, 19:33   Link #355
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No there's none. In fact there's never really romance in Ujiie Tozen's works. The only time I can remember is in college girl tutor hamanaka ai, and it's barely touched ever in that one too.
Oh, I see. Well I'm not familar with the manga or the tendancies of the mangaka, so I only have what I see in the anime to go on.
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Old 2010-08-02, 19:50   Link #356
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Because like CWW said in the previous post, Mitsudomoe's humor is much more standard and universal. Mitsudomoe builds itself on explosive reaction toward the jokes. Imagine if all jokes in Mitsudomoe is left hanging or responded mildly like in SYD, it'd be much duller. SYD's humor is in a way much drier than most comedy people are used to. In a way SYD's humor style is like that of King of the hill, or the office (the original british seires).
While I disagree with the first part of your comment as regards Mitsudomoe, KotH is not a bad comparison for SYD. I enjoy KotH but one of the things that kept me from ever being a real fan was the lack of any effort to have a real plot - it's really just an excuse to string a bunch of gags together. Some work and make you laugh, some don't. The difference, for me , is that KotH is sprinkled with topical and other types of humor, while pretty much every gag in SYD is based on the same sexual innuendo.

Mitsudomoe, OTOH, is a true "situation" comedy - in that, quite literally, the humor is derived from the situations and the characters. In a funny way it sort of reminds me of Fawlty Towers - it's mean-spirited and foul and sometimes painful to watch, but ingenious at creating humor out of misunderstandings and humiliating the main characters.
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Old 2010-08-02, 21:02   Link #357
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No there's no reference of Agenes in the dialogue. But it gets the point across, which is what subtitle's job is.
There's more than one "right way" to translate and people's opinions can legitimately differ.
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Old 2010-08-02, 21:43   Link #358
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No there's no reference of Agenes in the dialogue. But it gets the point across, which is what subtitle's job is.
That's the problem right there. It's not the translator's job to spell it out for us in case we don't get the reference. They should stay true to what is actually said in the dialogue. Leaving it as a note on top is one thing, but even so, I don't think it's necessary.
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Old 2010-08-02, 22:52   Link #359
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There's more than one "right way" to translate and people's opinions can legitimately differ.
Idiom versus exactitude is one thing, but personally I'd draw the line at some point before inserting references that aren't there. I do see where you're coming from, though.

And I for one like both this show and Mitsudomoe. They're different types of humor, certainly, but both do the job well... I wasn't sure about this show after the first episode, but, largely thanks to the addition of the extra characters, the humor has become a lot more hit and a lot less miss. The shotacon teacher alone guarantees a laugh just by her mere presense. Easily the ensemble darkhorse of the series.

Mitsudomoe does better fit my personal sense of humor, though.

This season has been the best for humor in recent memory. You've got the aforementioned two shows where comedy is pretty much the only goal, the more traditional incidental humor of Ookamisan and Asobi, the uproariously offbeat (often absurd) humor of Occult Academy, and the occasional but often laugh-out-loud moments of humor in LoLH.
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Old 2010-08-03, 00:39   Link #360
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The jokes in ep 5 seems a bit more direct than usual.

And is it me or Ayako inserted their own subs? Anyone heard Agnes being mentioned? I don't.
At that scene, Hata did not say anything about porn or Agnes in Japanese. Just said "Windy(Kaze Atari ga Tsuyoi)". It's often used as a metaphor of "being criticized".
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