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View Poll Results: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood - Episode 58 Rating
Perfect 10 25 48.08%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 16 30.77%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 6 11.54%
7 out of 10 : Good 4 7.69%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 1.92%
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Old 2010-05-25, 12:29   Link #41
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Ok question, with no spoilers of course, so the higher ups set up the Promised Day without actually having 5 sacrifices? Obviously we knew who the 4 were but aside from their evil plan to get Roy to do it, really this was there only plan? I guess from a storyline stand point you could say, well they knew this would all happen, but still since I dont know what happens, I dont know if Roy is gonna open the gate, it just seems like a high priced bet on Father's part. To me since this had bee planned for who knows how long they were have made sure to have 5 in the first place. Of course less dramatics for us then
Ok answer, with no spoilers of course ...
let's just say you can expect Father to have thought it through further than that
They were scouting for sacrifices for a long time after all and also had potential sacrifices in sight. Remember how the Homunculi love to refer to alchemists as 'precious confirmed/potential sacrifices' . And they had taken Dr. Marcoh in with that purpose in mind.
Can't really be answered/discussed properly until next week, I don't want to give anything away.

Just rewatched the ep ... and I still cringe at the Riza-slit part -___- All that blood, brutal T_T
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Old 2010-05-25, 12:59   Link #42
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Ok answer, with no spoilers of course ...
let's just say you can expect Father to have thought it through further than that
They were scouting for sacrifices for a long time after all and also had potential sacrifices in sight. Remember how the Homunculi love to refer to alchemists as 'precious confirmed/potential sacrifices' . And they had taken Dr. Marcoh in with that purpose in mind.
Can't really be answered/discussed properly until next week, I don't want to give anything away.
Thanks and I kinda figured Father had thought a bit farther then that, it just seemed weird to me as I was trying to figure out who the 5 would be.
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Old 2010-05-25, 13:12   Link #43
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Ok answer, with no spoilers of course ...
let's just say you can expect Father to have thought it through further than that
They were scouting for sacrifices for a long time after all and also had potential sacrifices in sight. Remember how the Homunculi love to refer to alchemists as 'precious confirmed/potential sacrifices' . And they had taken Dr. Marcoh in with that purpose in mind.
Can't really be answered/discussed properly until next week, I don't want to give anything away.

Just rewatched the ep ... and I still cringe at the Riza-slit part -___- All that blood, brutal T_T
Yeah, they pretty much went overboard on the blood (while showing the drawing of that blood off screen, much like with Kimblee). As much as we've seen her bleed so far, she should have been quite empty some time ago... What was that "Rule of Anime" about anime characters having an extra gallon or two of blood more than real people, and the resultant high pressure that blood is under? ^_^

And is the reason why the five sacrifices aren't ready really a spoiler at this point? We've got enough pieces of the puzzle to answer that one without getting into specifics. And logic should inform you the rest of the way.
Spoiler for those who don't want it spelled out for them:
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Old 2010-05-25, 13:35   Link #44
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Old 2010-05-25, 13:49   Link #45
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Just rewatched the ep ... and I still cringe at the Riza-slit part -___- All that blood, brutal T_T
It could have been a lot worse. Like, the blood squirting out like a shower. It'd be cool if it was a bad guy, since it was Riza it's an instant emoticon.

Oh, and I caught the English dub on CN the other night. It was horrible, so very horrible. Ed calls Izumi "teacher." Someone got paid to make that decision?
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Old 2010-05-25, 13:55   Link #46
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Awesome episode. I'm still disappointed with how underplayed Mustang's powers seem during the rejected Bradleys scene. He should have been owning them. I'll forgive the mangaka if the whole 5 sacrifices thing is truly amazing and totally worth Mustang's pathetic display.
They kind of expanded on the fighting in the anime, since they subdue Scar, Mustang, and Hawkeye pretty damn quickly in the manga, and before they can, they do a great job of using blunt force with the hilt of their blades on mustang to keep him from using his flames.

They're mini-Bradleys, really, capable of rather easily being able to subdue Scar, who even without his alchemy is a master hand-to-hand combat specialist, one of the top Ishvalan Warrior Priests, the average of which is capable of taking out ten soldiers on his own. Mustang, Riza, and Scar would probably have their hands full each just facing one of the candidates, nevermind a large group that outnumbers them several times over.
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Old 2010-05-25, 22:45   Link #47
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Oh, and I caught the English dub on CN the other night. It was horrible, so very horrible. Ed calls Izumi "teacher." Someone got paid to make that decision?
while i'd rather have him and Al call Izumi sensei, it makes more sense to call her teacher since FMA is set in a somewhat "western" country.
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Old 2010-05-25, 22:50   Link #48
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while i'd rather have him and Al call Izumi sensei, it makes more sense to call her teacher since FMA is set in a somewhat "western" country.
Personally, hearing someone call another "Teacher" sounds really weird. It just feels more like a title than a pronoun. Like, it'd feel weird to say "Teacher taught us things.", but make more sense to say "The/Our teacher taught us things."

And since she taught them martial arts too, I always felt it'd be less odd to use Master. But whatever.
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Old 2010-05-25, 23:02   Link #49
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i understand your point. personally, always hearing Al say "brother" gets annoying. and yeah, master sounds a lot better.
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Old 2010-05-26, 03:31   Link #50
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always hearing Al say "brother" gets annoying.
The whole teacher issue could be changed, though personally i don't see what's wrong with Al calling Ed Brother.
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Old 2010-05-26, 11:16   Link #51
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father gone plump. he's like some guy that could sit down on a couch, watch TV and eat snacks all day long, wearing some black suit with eyes all over.

about eng dub, al sounds too happy go lucky.
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Old 2010-05-26, 13:20   Link #52
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i understand your point. personally, always hearing Al say "brother" gets annoying. and yeah, master sounds a lot better.
Yeah, master is what they should have used. However, sensei is an accepted word in the US for martial arts and everything, so even that would have worked better than teacher.

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The whole teacher issue could be changed, though personally i don't see what's wrong with Al calling Ed Brother.
Al's addressing of Ed should change depending on the situation. It's not natural to use brother as a name in English.

I want to know if the subtitles reflect this poor translation, cause if it does, I sure as hell won't be buying it (and I was thinking about it too).

Man, ANN is a really, really, really horrible website. Instead of addressing the translation, dubs, and such the reviewer just bitch and bitches.

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Old 2010-05-26, 14:30   Link #53
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Lat to the party here. Good episode as always, Buccaneer death was really nicely done here also loved the eyecatch. Also, loved how Father walked to Ed and Izumi while Hohenheim was dangling there

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Al's addressing of Ed should change depending on the situation. It's not natural to use brother as a name in English.
Al constantly addresses Ed as brother in Japanese, so if he doesn't do so in the English version, complaints will still appear. It's a lose-lose situation.
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Man, ANN is a really, really, really horrible website. Instead of addressing the translation, dubs, and such the reviewer just bitch and bitches.
Despite my low opinion about ANN as a whole, I actually found this a very good review. The writer does touch on a lot of complaints that many have made about the first part of Brotherhood (pace, music placement etc.) and also points to the good areas of the episodes (i.e she doesn't just ''bitch'' about it) and also devoted a paragraph just for the dub, though I could've done without the many comparisons to the first anime.
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As far as I know Izumi doesn't have automailed insides
So not everything can be fixed
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Old 2010-05-26, 16:18   Link #55
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Patience is a virtue~

We don't even know if we'll ever find out ...



.. but honestly, if I hadn't already read the manga, I would have started NOW . A horrible lose-lose situation with two of my absolute favorites, too cruel. My respect to everyone holding out :P
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Old 2010-05-26, 19:26   Link #56
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I enjoyed this episode. It felt like to me that Greedling's awesomeness was cut short a bit, and Ran Fan had the bare minimum showing. Minor complaints, though... I think FMA has really stepped up to its predecessor and made the shounen genre watchable for me again.
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.. but honestly, if I hadn't already read the manga, I would have started NOW . A horrible lose-lose situation with two of my absolute favorites, too cruel. My respect to everyone holding out :P
Oh come on they only have to wait a week, we had to wait a month

Although I admit the threat of spoilers is obviously worse for anime only viewers.
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Seeing Riza "dying" makes my heart hurt... *crosses fingers* I hope she lives T_T
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Okay watched the episode and they made a major change that really bothered me

Spoiler for for these manga chapters:
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Old 2010-05-26, 22:16   Link #60
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Okay so you are saying it was a translation error. Well that is what I was hoping. Thanks!
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