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Old 2010-10-25, 13:55   Link #841
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Honestly, although they need to do so for storytelling logic, Takuto doesn't need a huge info dump of a background to make me LIKE or be interested in him.

He's a great lead and one of the things that really makes the show work. He's not a whiney angsty Shinji type (although I actually LIKE shinji) nor is he the brooding badass type.

He's happy go lucky but capabable from the get go and he KNOWS it. He's just there to have fun, kick some ass and prolly get to know Wako a lil better too

Wako is nice too, she's not acting all spazzy about her liking of Takuto nor is she saccharinely cute....

Sorry, just wanted to say that.
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Old 2010-10-25, 14:29   Link #842
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Excellent episode. Less fighting, but more feelings. And top-notch voice work. Hayami Saori is always given gentle, sweet-voiced characters, but she sounds to me as if she is expanding her emotional range a bit in this show. Playing opposite Miyano Mamoru can't hurt.
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...I agree Wako's singing pales in comparison to fish girl's. I fail to notice what's so enticing about it....
This is actually the best I have ever enjoyed Tomatsu's (fish girl's) singing. I would never have expected to enjoy her song as much as Hayami Saori's (Wako's), since I think Hayamin has one of the most beautiful voices in the world, whereas Tomatsu is a fairly ordinary singer.

In this case, Hayamin has been told to keep her strong dynamics, careful phrasing, and overpowering sweetness at bay and sing as simply as possible, in character. And the melody is rather complex, not a powerful incantation like Tomatsu's. I suspect Hayamin will have other songs to sing as we go along.

If you want to hear what's so great about her voice, the ED to this week's OreImo is the most recent example. But personally, I find myself on the edge of ecstasy at every phrase of many of her songs. She creates space around each note, and draws out the musicality in the music. Check out the compilations on Nico of 早見沙織 songs, or the single songs on YouTube.
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Old 2010-10-25, 14:50   Link #843
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^Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying that Hayamin is a bad singer. I like her voice as well, although probably not as much as you. It's just that they made such a big deal out of Wako's singing in this episode that I expected to hear something at least on par with Fish girl's song, and it wasn't the case at all in my opinion. Hopefully, her next songs will be more powerful.

I'm usually not a big fan of Tomatsu's singing either but she's really impressed me these past few weeks. Her song in this anime, and the recent Katanagatari ED are both wonderful. By far the best works she's ever done. Maybe she's improving?
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Old 2010-10-25, 15:18   Link #844
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Honestly didn't know Hayamin was that good of a singer. The fact that Wako was singing like that does seem to point at she wasn't singing to her ability (just singing mostly to herself and in a disturbed mood with no one being around). I'm sure we'll get some better songs from her later on in the series, probably at a more key moment than that.

Have to give Fish Girl credit since she has sung pretty well in the series. Plus if she's going to be that energetic in her story telling then her segments should be plenty entertaining.
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Old 2010-10-25, 15:18   Link #845
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I agree that I was expecting some sort of flash back for Takuto, between the picture the last episode and the admission this episode that he used to be quieter (sounds like he can't quite recall his past, never a good sign) I'm hoping we get more background on him later.

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He's happy go lucky but capable from the get go and he KNOWS it. He's just there to have fun, kick some ass and prolly get to know Wako a lil better too
Totally agree there, he's already a really likable character but at the same time you do want to know more.

And speaking of getting to know Wako better, isn't that what the GCB was trying to achieve in this episode? It sounds like they wanted to drive Wako and Sugata apart (using the feelings/memories of the other girl) and make Takuto and Wako closer in the process. I can't figure out why (especially since Sugata seems to want this as well) but they did say "mission accomplished" at the end of the episode (or it could be a set up for something totally different next episode, this one was pretty light on explanation when I think about it).
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Old 2010-10-25, 15:48   Link #846
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OMG I FALL IN LOVE WITH FISHGIRL
So talkative and cheerful in this episode XD.
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Old 2010-10-25, 16:25   Link #847
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I agree that I was expecting some sort of flash back for Takuto, between the picture the last episode and the admission this episode that he used to be quieter (sounds like he can't quite recall his past, never a good sign) I'm hoping we get more background on him later.
It really is a bit early for any form of Takuto background. It's one of the mystery's of the show, especially in regards to his Grandfather. I expect to learn something past the second half of the series.
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Old 2010-10-25, 16:42   Link #848
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It sounds like they wanted to drive Wako and Sugata apart (using the feelings/memories of the other girl) and make Takuto and Wako closer in the process. I can't figure out why (especially since Sugata seems to want this as well)
I'm not so sure that Sugata wants what you say. I noted how he questioned and then paused at the end of the episode when he heard Takuto call Wako by her name. Sugata seemed slightly jealous to me then. I don't think Sugata objects to marrying Wako rather he doesn't like the fact that their marriage has been arranged by their parents. I think he'd rather win her hand in a more romantic way.
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Old 2010-10-25, 16:45   Link #849
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I'm not so sure that Sugata wants what you say. I noted how he questioned and then paused at the end of the episode when he heard Takuto call Wako by her name. Sugata seemed slightly jealous to me then. I don't think Sugata objects to marrying Wako rather he doesn't like the fact that their marriage has been arranged by their parents. I think he'd rather win her hand in a more romantic way.
I could see that, in the very first scene of the series it did show them talking and it sounded like he didn't want an arranged marriage between them which I took to mean he didn't love her in that way and wanted both of them to marry for love, but your interpretation would fit the bill as well.

@Shiroth: It would be pretty early for an infodump but with all the foreshadowing I can' help but want it now.
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Old 2010-10-25, 23:26   Link #850
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i am thinking there are a lot of thing u can do when u are stuck in a world of only 2 persons...

the fight ended before it starts is surprising, nice try

and what Sugata actually think is still a mystery
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Old 2010-10-25, 23:30   Link #851
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I appreciated the intent to focus more on one character (Wako in this case) so that we can get their deal without a whole bunch of other crazy things interfering, but I still found this one more confusing and hard to follow than it should probably be. Lot of cryptic dialogue for the side characters as always, but I kind of got the picture that the Crux was using that one girl with the glasses because of her crush on Sugata and at the last second she pulled out and they couldn't actually go to battle with Tauburn.

This is probably about as straightforward a script as this show is going to get for a long time unfortunately, but at least we now know a bit more about Wako. Probably the most developed of all the characters at this point. Still wouldn't call it a "good" character development episode, but it's a start.
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Old 2010-10-25, 23:47   Link #852
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I do wonder what Sugata himself is really thinking. He's certainly given enough to make people think he's fine with pushing Wako and Takuto together. Yet the idea that he just doesn't want to get the girl because of an engagement decided by his parents has merit. I guess the real question is why the Crux want Wako and Takuto to get closer. Are they just after the separation from Sugata? Do they gain anything from Takuto throwing himself into these fights with more determination?

An episode where we got some answers, but we also got some more questions. Well this early in the series it's not that surprising.
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Old 2010-10-26, 10:14   Link #853
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How many episodes this series will have?
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Old 2010-10-26, 10:21   Link #854
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given the pacing, it's probably full season
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Old 2010-10-26, 10:41   Link #855
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How many episodes this series will have?
The highly reliable relentlessness blog says 25 episodes.
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Old 2010-10-26, 13:17   Link #856
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^Don't get me wrong, I'm not implying that Hayamin is a bad singer. I like her voice as well, although probably not as much as you. It's just that they made such a big deal out of Wako's singing in this episode that I expected to hear something at least on par with Fish girl's song,
Well to be fair that's only A cappela version, who knows its sound better with instrument n recording voice.
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Old 2010-10-27, 15:29   Link #857
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Im wondering if Takuto's did not have a true purpose on the island other than going to school before he found out the events that have been taking place. The previous engagements were more of his defending himself. However after episode 4 he clearly states he will destroy all their mechs. The reason behind that statement was obvious as he finally hear Wako sing for the first time and hears why she cant leave the island to pursue her dream of being a singer. We got some good stuff in episode 4 and even though technically it was a slow episode we got key material to move the story along a "motivation" of the main character which i felt there was none.

I could listen to fish girl all day someone needs to let the poor girl out of the cage
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Old 2010-10-27, 16:34   Link #858
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I could listen to fish girl all day someone needs to let the poor girl out of the cage
For all we know she wouldn't sing anymore if she wasn't in the cage.
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Old 2010-10-28, 06:52   Link #859
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For all we know she wouldn't sing anymore if she wasn't in the cage.
Then I'd put a cage over the entire island!
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Old 2010-10-28, 07:12   Link #860
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For all we know she wouldn't sing anymore if she wasn't in the cage.
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Then I'd put a cage over the entire island!
You guys are funny missed you guys i havent been around much lately . Well if Takuto wins she wont sing "Monochrome" anymore during the appriviosie at worst. I think i will have to start the "Free the Fish girl movement" lol
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