AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Older Series > Gundam

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2012-05-16, 01:14   Link #4261
Eeni
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: refrigerator box
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferhb View Post
Holy sh**, I haven't thought about that!!!

THAT'S SOOOO WEEEEEEEEEEIRDDD!!!!!!!!

Why was she covering up her brother's fraud, anyway???
They didn't pretend to be married.... did they? Did anyone outside the inside circle know that she married and had Milliardo's kids..? OMG WHAT THE HELL SUMIZAWA!?1?1?!?!?!?!
__________________
There was never a great talent without a bit of insanity.

I don't think I've ever seen so much nonsense in so little space. -FalsePrime

Stone Age man attempted to draw movement on cave walls by drawing mammoths with multiple legs. The artists worked until their eyes went bad, they got no pay, no credit, and they were eventually eaten by wild animals. Animation was born! - Tom Sito

And as the Black Beast lurched forward, escape for Arthur and his knights seemed hopeless, when suddenly, the animator suffered a fatal heart attack! The cartoon peril was no more. The quest for the Holy Grail could continue. - Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Eeni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-16, 12:10   Link #4262
IkuzeMinna
Shall we?
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Europe
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eeni View Post
They didn't pretend to be married.... did they? Did anyone outside the inside circle know that she married and had Milliardo's kids..? OMG WHAT THE HELL SUMIZAWA!?1?1?!?!?!?!
I wasn't sure either so I checked and Noin is indeed called a widow. So, um, yeah...

EDIT: Nonetheless, this chapter of FT restored a huge chunk of my faith in the novel. Pagan hinting to be badass enough to take out the guards? I like where this is going. Thanks, Deacon!
IkuzeMinna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-16, 13:45   Link #4263
rereremo
Member
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by IkuzeMinna View Post
I wasn't sure either so I checked and Noin is indeed called a widow. So, um, yeah...

EDIT: Nonetheless, this chapter of FT restored a huge chunk of my faith in the novel. Pagan hinting to be badass enough to take out the guards? I like where this is going. Thanks, Deacon!
Wait! Widow?! does that suppose to mean, out of all characters, & despite the Zechs robot & the fake Milliardo, Sumizawa killed the real Milliardo?
Are you sure about this? Where was that mentioned?
rereremo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-16, 15:09   Link #4264
Faerie
Headless
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Enjoying tea with Kotori and Isabel
Quote:
Originally Posted by rereremo View Post
Wait! Widow?! does that suppose to mean, out of all characters, & despite the Zechs robot & the fake Milliardo, Sumizawa killed the real Milliardo?
Are you sure about this? Where was that mentioned?
I don't think so. Isn't he zooming around in Tallgeese Asspull* somewhere, pwning everything, pretending to be
Spoiler for this guy?:


Ok, here goes the random guess: Milliardo was somewhere, owning stuff. dropping daughters at orphanages, that kind of thing, Dixneuf showed up, took his job, wife had to play along because.. well, because Dixneuf is clearly not a nice guy. Only sane explanation. Everything else makes me throw up in my mouth a little

*term copyright: IkuzeMinna xD
Faerie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-16, 15:19   Link #4265
rereremo
Member
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkullFaerie View Post
I don't think so. Isn't he zooming around in Tallgeese Asspull* somewhere, pwning everything, pretending to be
Spoiler for this guy?:


Ok, here goes the random guess: Milliardo was somewhere, owning stuff. dropping daughters at orphanages, that kind of thing, Dixneuf showed up, took his job, wife had to play along because.. well, because Dixneuf is clearly not a nice guy. Only sane explanation. Everything else makes me throw up in my mouth a little

*term copyright: IkuzeMinna xD
Yeah I prefer this "sane" explanation, although it gives the impression Noin was coward enough to listen to her brother, or may it be that he threatened her with the life of Nina & Milo? Anyway, I believe that 'someone who faked his death before can do this a dozen of times!'
By the way, about the sequences order: Is Noin called a widow after her brother died, pretending to be her husband?
rereremo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-16, 16:48   Link #4266
Faerie
Headless
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Enjoying tea with Kotori and Isabel
Quote:
Originally Posted by rereremo View Post
Yeah I prefer this "sane" explanation, although it gives the impression Noin was coward enough to listen to her brother, or may it be that he threatened her with the life of Nina & Milo? Anyway, I believe that 'someone who faked his death before can do this a dozen of times!'
By the way, about the sequences order: Is Noin called a widow after her brother died, pretending to be her husband?
I feel like during better times* the reason would've been political pressure of some sorts. Kind of like how Relena was being used by the likes of Treize. Here, I can only hope. Although Ikuze is right, badass!Pagan gives me hope too. How awesome is he!?

That said, what on earth was Milliardo thinking? -.-

And yeah, I think they were calling her a widow, but that makes sense considering that that's what everyone would think she is. But then it was revealed that Dixneuf was an impostor and Milliardo was doing "stuff", so that solved that.



*when Sumizawa was still fired
Faerie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-16, 20:11   Link #4267
Ferhb
Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Brasil
Age: 24
Okay, let's take it back to the show:

Milliardo "died" on the show, on the last episode. To the world, he died.
Zechs had already died. So, he went on, on EW, as "Preventer Wind".
Preventer Wind Zechs aka Milliardo was kept hidden all this time. In Mars, he called himself Cyrene Wind. And yes, he's very, very much alive.

So, we still don't know WHY Noin's brother wanted to make Milliardo Peacecraft come back (because even though it was Noin's brother, people in the world believed it was the true Milliardo who had revived from the ashes) and WHY Noin accepted playing along, even though Zechs was very much alive and they had a happy (hidden) marriage with two twins and so on.

The real Zechs had to go along with it, also.
And the one who died was Noin's brother, the fake Milliardo, and that's why she had to fake the tears.

I don't know if I'm being repetitive, it's just that I'm trying to get things straight in my head as well.
Ferhb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-17, 08:23   Link #4268
Aldaeus
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Behind you.
Why do I sense a similar thing has occurred again... and Sumisawa was fired... again. Thus the story has began to right itself and be less messed up. Or someone slipped his meds into his food or something getting him to level out again...

Crackpot Theory: Noin played along with her brother's scheme because the real Milliardo/Zechs would be seen as a war criminal, and the ESUN would want his head on a pike if the general public found out he was alive... so blackmail for own devious ends... and bring the kids along for hostage insurance against the real Milliardo...

In short, evil bad guy plotting like all Gundam bad guys...
Aldaeus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-17, 09:07   Link #4269
Ferhb
Member
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Brasil
Age: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldaeus View Post
Why do I sense a similar thing has occurred again... and Sumisawa was fired... again. Thus the story has began to right itself and be less messed up. Or someone slipped his meds into his food or something getting him to level out again...

Crackpot Theory: Noin played along with her brother's scheme because the real Milliardo/Zechs would be seen as a war criminal, and the ESUN would want his head on a pike if the general public found out he was alive... so blackmail for own devious ends... and bring the kids along for hostage insurance against the real Milliardo...

In short, evil bad guy plotting like all Gundam bad guys...
He was fired once?

But I don't think he was fired yet, remember the music box thing... The crazy is still there, somewhere. I'll go with the meds theory.

Good thought about the blackmail thing, it's very possible! Specially because Zechs is still, afterall, a war enemy.

So, rewatching the series, I realized that in the episode when Relena goes to Moscow to try to kill Lady Une, Duke Dermail called her "Katrina" when he first caught a glimpse of her. Was that there the whole time and I hadn't realised it?
Has this been mentioned somewhere in this topic? If it has, I'm sorry for bringing it up again.
Ferhb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-17, 11:17   Link #4270
Eeni
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: refrigerator box
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldaeus View Post
Why do I sense a similar thing has occurred again... and Sumisawa was fired... again. Thus the story has began to right itself and be less messed up. Or someone slipped his meds into his food or something getting him to level out again...

Crackpot Theory: Noin played along with her brother's scheme because the real Milliardo/Zechs would be seen as a war criminal, and the ESUN would want his head on a pike if the general public found out he was alive... so blackmail for own devious ends... and bring the kids along for hostage insurance against the real Milliardo...

In short, evil bad guy plotting like all Gundam bad guys...
But didn't Noin's bro took up presidency of Mars as Milliardo from the very beginning, and that was years ago. Everyone would have known that a war criminal took over Mars. Also, if Milliardo was traveling with Naina and couldn't get her back to Noin that would imply that he does have access to his family.
__________________
There was never a great talent without a bit of insanity.

I don't think I've ever seen so much nonsense in so little space. -FalsePrime

Stone Age man attempted to draw movement on cave walls by drawing mammoths with multiple legs. The artists worked until their eyes went bad, they got no pay, no credit, and they were eventually eaten by wild animals. Animation was born! - Tom Sito

And as the Black Beast lurched forward, escape for Arthur and his knights seemed hopeless, when suddenly, the animator suffered a fatal heart attack! The cartoon peril was no more. The quest for the Holy Grail could continue. - Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Eeni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-17, 12:58   Link #4271
FalsePrime
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferhb View Post
He was fired once?

But I don't think he was fired yet, remember the music box thing... The crazy is still there, somewhere. I'll go with the meds theory.

Good thought about the blackmail thing, it's very possible! Specially because Zechs is still, afterall, a war enemy.

So, rewatching the series, I realized that in the episode when Relena goes to Moscow to try to kill Lady Une, Duke Dermail called her "Katrina" when he first caught a glimpse of her. Was that there the whole time and I hadn't realised it?
Has this been mentioned somewhere in this topic? If it has, I'm sorry for bringing it up again.
It was always there, the problem is though the way he said it, it was addressing her in the light of how she looks like her mother and Katrina would be her grandmother.
FalsePrime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-17, 14:30   Link #4272
Elo the Blue
Mama there goes that man!
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: UK
Quote:
Originally Posted by IkuzeMinna View Post
I wasn't sure either so I checked and Noin is indeed called a widow. So, um, yeah...

EDIT: Nonetheless, this chapter of FT restored a huge chunk of my faith in the novel. Pagan hinting to be badass enough to take out the guards? I like where this is going. Thanks, Deacon!
Pagan was always bad-ass in my book. Like his AboutGW.com bio reads, he's a "man of multiple skills: chauffeur, swordsman, computer specialist, jet pilot, and Relena's butler". Plus, he was willing to take out Dorothy if need be when she first transferred to Relena's academy.
__________________
Elo the Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-18, 07:55   Link #4273
ipon-bks
charred ford
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: benteng?
Um.. excuse me, but where does everyone read the translation? I can't search the whole 200+ pages for it... I'd like to read it again, seeing as it has progressed quite far from the last time I read it...
ipon-bks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-18, 08:53   Link #4274
rereremo
Member
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by ipon-bks View Post
Um.. excuse me, but where does everyone read the translation? I can't search the whole 200+ pages for it... I'd like to read it again, seeing as it has progressed quite far from the last time I read it...
I can reduce the 200 pages to 20! visit Deacon Blue all posts page http://forums.animesuki.com/search.p...rchid=13141304
Look for the posts made here in this thread. Hope that helps
rereremo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-18, 08:55   Link #4275
IkuzeMinna
Shall we?
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Europe
Quote:
Originally Posted by ipon-bks View Post
Um.. excuse me, but where does everyone read the translation? I can't search the whole 200+ pages for it... I'd like to read it again, seeing as it has progressed quite far from the last time I read it...
Here you go link. The recent chapter is up on Zeonic's.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elo the Blue View Post
Pagan was always bad-ass in my book. Like his AboutGW.com bio reads, he's a "man of multiple skills: chauffeur, swordsman, computer specialist, jet pilot, and Relena's butler". Plus, he was willing to take out Dorothy if need be when she first transferred to Relena's academy.
I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm just glad Sumizawa remembered that as well.
IkuzeMinna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-18, 14:14   Link #4276
gordol
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
First look at Prometheus! Looks like they are finally releasin the new FT MS designs

gordol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-18, 14:48   Link #4277
kakakka
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Or it is still the Heavyarms.

They have never shown any new machines on the covers.

Last edited by kakakka; 2012-05-18 at 14:59.
kakakka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-18, 14:54   Link #4278
Elo the Blue
Mama there goes that man!
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: UK
Looks like another retread suit. Epyon Bai was cool, but I was hoping for completely original designs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IkuzeMinna View Post
I'm not saying he wasn't. I'm just glad Sumizawa remembered that as well.
lol True dat. I'm actually looking forward to the next out-of-nowhere surprise he'll throw at us.
__________________
Elo the Blue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-18, 18:56   Link #4279
FalsePrime
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Can't tell if that is Heavyarms, a retread or a mostly new suit.

Weird reveal if it is though.

All the above is just me rambling because that picture is really blurry and I can't tell many details besides blue and Heavyarm's like V-Fin.

I just went and checked all the FT covers and I really don't believe that is Pro.

1/2 Wing and Wing Zero
3 Epyon
4 Deathscythe Hell
5 Tallgeese
6?? As mentioned they are using EW designs for covers and given book four is D-Hell they aren't only using Leads and the fact that Epyon White has been shown to some degree the chances they stuck Pro on the cover when he won't even be in the book, haven't used White, or all of the other EW suits just makes me believe that it is Heavyarms Kai EW that we are looking at.

Last edited by FalsePrime; 2012-05-18 at 19:12.
FalsePrime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-18, 20:10   Link #4280
GN0010 Nosferatu
Burning Red!
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hargenteen
Age: 25
Retread or not, it's nice to finally see something worth while from FTD.
GN0010 Nosferatu is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
gundam wing

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:52.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.