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Old 2010-12-06, 20:26   Link #1161
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It's more of a "what if" situation for every universe prior to it. It's a huge spoiler for the series but basically:

Spoiler for giant Turn-A spoilers:
Was it ever confirmed to be like, canon? Or just a big homage to all previous shows?
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Old 2010-12-06, 20:29   Link #1162
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Was it ever confirmed to be like, canon? Or just a big homage to all previous shows?
One of the video games or guidebooks or somesuch did; but in actual animated canon I doubt it.

I think it was Tomino's intention, though.
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Old 2010-12-06, 20:38   Link #1163
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Now I'm intrigued. Sounds interesting to me. xD

Is it good, Kitsoru? Turn A, I mean. What's your verdict? I'd like to know what you think before I get involved with it. lol

I also heard something about Gundam X being post-Wing. Or post-something else. Has anyone else heard about these assumptions?
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Old 2010-12-06, 20:47   Link #1164
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Not to... burst anyone's bubble here, but this isn't really the place to discuss this.
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Old 2010-12-06, 20:51   Link #1165
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oh for the love of god. you should seriously get over the relena and clyne thing. i know im a bitch so just... stop already. most of your posts is always about relating lacus clyne to things. u worship her?? great. but please don't make this about her all the fucking time. cuz each time you see a post that mentions seed or another pink haired character, you seem to make that an excuse to bring her up. *rolls eyes* how is it even important to this thread if she really is related to them? she's not even a character in this novel or gw. ughh. have a lovely day. xoxoxoxox
Stop trolling. It was a legitimate question, albeit slightly odd for this particular thread. So yeah, stop. Now.

Anyway, regarding Turn A I had also heard the same, that it was the "what if endpoint" for Gundam. Which also explains why the Turn A/X are so powerful, because the technology is theoretically beyond most of the other series. Of course it's hilarious that it uses technology from the G Gundam universe of all things (DG cells in G = nanomachine technology in Turn A)

And LOL at Relena going "Euphienator".
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Old 2010-12-06, 21:02   Link #1166
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Is it good, Kitsoru? Turn A, I mean. What's your verdict? I'd like to know what you think before I get involved with it. lol

I also heard something about Gundam X being post-Wing. Or post-something else. Has anyone else heard about these assumptions?
I haven't finished it but I liked what I saw. It's on my list to finish after I finish X.

X isn't post Wing, it just came out after Wing. X is another 'what if' post-apocalyptic scenario, except for UC's timeline. However, X seemed to catch on to the idea that Duo was the most popular Wing character, because its main character, Garrod, is VERY Duo-like.
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Old 2010-12-06, 22:17   Link #1167
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Thanks heaps, Kitsoru. xD

My Turn A question aside, these two posts had me confused and thinking:

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One thing has me confused now. Snuggles says that Relena was frozen twice. I always had the impression that it was done just once, it got screwed up and she's been like that ever since
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They mention defrosting Heero and what it means for his brains at the start of Chapter 1. I just checked my translation against the original text...


"Aurora's mind was sophisticated. Can we really recreate it with just those files?" (Kathy)「『オーロラ姫』の精神は高尚だった。それをこのファイルだけで再横策できるのか」

"It's a risky bet... things might not go according to our expectations." (Chang)
「危険な諸けだ......我々の思惑通りになるとは限らないぞ」

"So he might betray us, like he did before?" (Kathy)
「かつての自分のように、敵に寝返るかもしれないってか?」

"I can't deny that that is a possibility." Chang)
「可能性は否定できんだろう」


What makes this difficult to understand is that third sentence. A more literal translation might be: He might become the enemy, like THE FORMER SELF. That pronoun "self" could refer to either Heero OR Wufei. That's an issue I run into a lot in the text: to whom are they referring; who the hell is speaking.

If I remember the TV series correctly, didn't Wufei actually join OZ or the Alliance for a brief time? Trowa infiltrated, but Wufei changed allegiances temporarily, didn't he?Assuming that is the case, Kathy would then be referring to Heero's potential to go crazy like WUFEI had.

Hm... that seems *more* likely to me, if I *do* recall the anime correctly. Maybe I'll change that bit in the translation, too...
So, this is what I thought was happening:

1
Heero and Relena got frozen. We don't know why. We also don't know if they were frozen at the same time. Or if their capsules were together.

Heero got defrosted. But he went nuts, so he had to be refrozen.
Relena also got defrosted. But she wasn't herself either so she had to be refrozen too.

We don't know why they were defrosted. Or if they were defrosted together, or at the same time.

Relena got defrosted again. She's still screwed.

Then Heero got defrosted again too, to hunt her down. His second defrosting was a success.

But those two posts made me think these are also the cases:

2
Heero and Relena were frozen. We don't know crap about it, yadda yadda.

Frozen only once.

Relena got defrosted first. Then ran amok. Because her defrosting was screwed.

Heero got defrosted too. But his was a success.

OR:

3
Both were frozen, we don't know yadda, yadda...

Heero was defrosted, went nuts, got refrozen.

Relena was defrosted, went nuts ever since. And she's on the loose.

Heero was redefrosted, boom it was a success. Now off to kill Relena.

Man I'm confused. So which one of the three is it?

Sorry for the long read. I know I'm over-analysing stuff but I just got really confused now. Can someone clarify, please?
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Old 2010-12-06, 23:10   Link #1168
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@ MichaelKnight : As far as I understand and how it was explained to me, choice number one seems to be the case.
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Old 2010-12-06, 23:38   Link #1169
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Honestly, I'm still confused myself. :/ But I understand macchafrap said the text itself wasn't even clear, so I guess it might be one of those 'wait and see' things. I'm hoping future chapters elaborate on this or at least clarify which of these happened...

The thing about the possible alternate reading of the 3rd line that macchafrap mentioned (if you're still here, maybe you can help clarify? 8D) is that I don't think Kathy could be referring to Wufei's betrayal in that line, because she didn't know Wufei had been a Gundam pilot until Father mentioned it, and thus she wouldn't have known about his face heel turn during Endless Waltz. So I still think they're referring to a betrayal of Heero's in that sentence.

So that would make options 1 or 3 the most likely options.
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Old 2010-12-06, 23:43   Link #1170
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For those who have seen/read the GOTD manga, do the Katoki OZ mobile suits look any different?
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Old 2010-12-06, 23:45   Link #1171
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The story being laid out like that and actually being pretty much correct just shows how outlandish this novel is, even for GW. I still love it though...kinda.

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For those who have seen/read the GOTD manga, do the Katoki OZ mobile suits look any different?
Not really. The only major difference I've seen is that Zechs' Custom Leo has been retconned to be white.
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Old 2010-12-07, 00:39   Link #1172
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Honestly, I'm still confused myself. :/ But I understand macchafrap said the text itself wasn't even clear, so I guess it might be one of those 'wait and see' things. I'm hoping future chapters elaborate on this or at least clarify which of these happened...

The thing about the possible alternate reading of the 3rd line that macchafrap mentioned (if you're still here, maybe you can help clarify? 8D) is that I don't think Kathy could be referring to Wufei's betrayal in that line, because she didn't know Wufei had been a Gundam pilot until Father mentioned it, and thus she wouldn't have known about his face heel turn during Endless Waltz. So I still think they're referring to a betrayal of Heero's in that sentence.

So that would make options 1 or 3 the most likely options.
Brilliant analysis, mate. Phew! *sweat wipe* Almost forgot the fact that Kathy didn't know Chang was a Gundam Pilot. Makes sense now.
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Old 2010-12-07, 01:04   Link #1173
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oh for the love of god. you should seriously get over the relena and clyne thing. i know im a bitch so just... stop already. most of your posts is always about relating lacus clyne to things. u worship her?? great. but please don't make this about her all the fucking time. cuz each time you see a post that mentions seed or another pink haired character, you seem to make that an excuse to bring her up. *rolls eyes* how is it even important to this thread if she really is related to them? she's not even a character in this novel or gw. ughh. have a lovely day. xoxoxoxox
Lacus is good in SEED, but she's a bit too Mary Sue-ish for my tastes. I'm more of a Cagalli fan myself.

I'm just saying that Relena was the template for Dianna, Lacus and Cagalli, Princess Rele, and Marina, and, in Code Geass, Euphie and (possibly) Nunnally, though I'll admit that I haven't seen Geass yet. And of course, Relena was based on Sayla.
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Old 2010-12-07, 05:04   Link #1174
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Lacus is good in SEED, but she's a bit too Mary Sue-ish for my tastes. I'm more of a Cagalli fan myself.

I'm just saying that Relena was the template for Dianna, Lacus and Cagalli, Princess Rele, and Marina, and, in Code Geass, Euphie and (possibly) Nunnally, though I'll admit that I haven't seen Geass yet. And of course, Relena was based on Sayla.
I'll agree for Relena as a basis for the G girls, but Nunally and Euphie ? You really have to search for the similarity so I'll say no. They are nothing alike. The fact Euphie was created after Lacus doesn't make of her a new result of Relena, since Lacus isn't Relena (after all, in Seed in the end, Cagalli is more of a Relena than Lacus is. In a more tomboyish way, that's it.)
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Old 2010-12-07, 06:11   Link #1175
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I'll agree for Relena as a basis for the G girls, but Nunally and Euphie ? You really have to search for the similarity so I'll say no. They are nothing alike. The fact Euphie was created after Lacus doesn't make of her a new result of Relena, since Lacus isn't Relena (after all, in Seed in the end, Cagalli is more of a Relena than Lacus is. In a more tomboyish way, that's it.)
I don't see Euphemia being related to Relena either. Despite Lacus being related to both of them.

Nunnally makes sense because both Relena and Nunnally are exiled princesses, whose older brothers are also exiled princes, who both wear masks and have alter-egoes, and both swore revenge on those who betrayed their families. Plus, Relena and Nunnally do look alike, IMO. The hair colour, the side-braids. Nunnally's pink puffy-sleeved dress, Relena's pink puffy-sleeved highschool uniform. Nunnally just happened to be the pimped version, Relena is the simple one. Either give Nunnally a straightening iron, or give Relena a curling one. Lol

I also think Mitsuki Sanada (and Mitsuki Rala) of Dual! is based on both Relena and Asuka Langley of Eva. Funny, coz when I saw CC of CG, she reminded me of D of Dual!.

Then you have this girl from Yakitate Japan. And Arashi Kishu of X. But all these are just my eyes playing with me. So before someone argues with me, these are all just my opinion when I saw these characters.

Right. So I got carried away again. Damn I'm a loser. I think we should move on and get over it... the Relena expies have already been discussed in the first few pages of this thread. xD
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Old 2010-12-07, 06:40   Link #1176
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SSSSSOOOOO HOW 'BOUT THAT WING NOVEL, HUH?

Here, have some new pixiv stuff:

Spoiler for Cool nouveau style Father Maxwell art:

and
Spoiler for just a nice Sanc Princess Relena pic:

FFUgfdhj PAGEGETS
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Old 2010-12-07, 07:11   Link #1177
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Thanks heaps, Kitsoru. xD

My Turn A question aside, these two posts had me confused and thinking:





So, this is what I thought was happening:

1
Heero and Relena got frozen. We don't know why. We also don't know if they were frozen at the same time. Or if their capsules were together.

Heero got defrosted. But he went nuts, so he had to be refrozen.
Relena also got defrosted. But she wasn't herself either so she had to be refrozen too.

We don't know why they were defrosted. Or if they were defrosted together, or at the same time.

Relena got defrosted again. She's still screwed.

Then Heero got defrosted again too, to hunt her down. His second defrosting was a success.

But those two posts made me think these are also the cases:

2
Heero and Relena were frozen. We don't know crap about it, yadda yadda.

Frozen only once.

Relena got defrosted first. Then ran amok. Because her defrosting was screwed.

Heero got defrosted too. But his was a success.

OR:

3
Both were frozen, we don't know yadda, yadda...

Heero was defrosted, went nuts, got refrozen.

Relena was defrosted, went nuts ever since. And she's on the loose.

Heero was redefrosted, boom it was a success. Now off to kill Relena.

Man I'm confused. So which one of the three is it?

Sorry for the long read. I know I'm over-analysing stuff but I just got really confused now. Can someone clarify, please?
NOW I'm confused it brought me out of my lurker status.

wingzerosnuggles seem to be pretty sure it's option 1 though? Gahhh which one is it!!!!!!!!! Cant wait for chapter 4!!!!

I hope it's option 1!!! Pls pls plssss!! Then i wont feel so bad..
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Old 2010-12-07, 07:12   Link #1178
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Chapter 4 is the current chapter up for discussion. It's chapter 5 we're waiting for. That one comes out a wee bit after X-mas.
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Old 2010-12-07, 07:15   Link #1179
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Woooppsie. Sorry i meant chapter 5. Haha. =P
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hi, i'm new here,,
where I can found complete English translation for FrozenTears?
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